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Boxing please

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by FoxForceFive, Aug 24, 2009.

  1. Woland

    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    I think I might actually be in love with Tyson Fury
     
  2. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    Wilder's best moment was his very impressive mask/ crown thing with the red eyes.

    Went downhill from there.

    But while I do admire Fury's ring craft and his boxing ability, I still don't love watching him box as much as I Feel like I should. Doesn't ever seem to punch cleanly or spectacularly and his matches are scruffy to watch, tactical and with loads of holding.

    I'm probably in the minority though, but his box office and popularity is almost entirely personality driven; loads of his fights are rubbish, or are elevated by his opponent and his own defensive skills and durability.
     
  3. Woland

    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    Shut up or you're dead
     
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  4. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    If you really want to laugh/ fume/ kill someone, may I suggest warming up by reading the comments on the BBC story about the fight.

    I've read about 5 pages and so far we've had * deep breath*

    Tyson is a bigot and an evil Christian; boxing is like porn for rich people; why is the BBC promoting this sport, are they corrupt?; Women's cricket headlining over Fury; Drug cheats; Boris Johnson; Labour should ban boxing; is Tyson English or Irish?; paedophiles; Billy Eilish; Wilder was robbed; Tyson is as good as Ali; why is this leading the news page with all the terrible things going on in the world.

    It's everything that is fucked about this country, social media and irredeemably thick cunts all in one gigantic thread.
     
  5. Woland

    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    When I was about twelve my grandad said the most offensive funny thing that anyone has ever said when I asked him whether he was watching the Bruno fight later. 'i don't watch boxing son, it's chess played with black guys by jews'. Stick that in your BBC comments section and smoke it.
     
  6. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    Yeah, but it's violent chess with punching and blood
     
  7. My_Blood_Bleeds_Red

    My_Blood_Bleeds_Red Well-Known Member

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    Usyk ? Only one win in the heavyweight division and it was a nobody. He’s still got a long way to go to prove himself in the division, provided he still has the motivation.

    You’re about right though the current crop being no match for the oldies but I must make an exception for Fury.

    Today he looked a completely different animal, devastating, after switching style under Sugar Hill. Wilder didn’t know what hit him. The old Fury said it himself - his slick feign-and-jab moves didn’t have the power to knock out Wilder. But today he looked every bit the knockout king. 6ft 9” of towering menace dancing like a butterfly, with an unorthodox defense and boxing technique that is now armed with lethal knockout power. There’s nobody quite like him in boxing history. Closest I can think of is Foreman and he’s only 6’4. Fury’s definitely up there with the best and I reckon he’ll give any former great a run for their money too.
     
  8. FoxForceFive

    FoxForceFive Administrator Administrator

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    Agree. I had an intense dislike of watching Lennox Lewis too, for similar reasons.

    I understand & respect their talents & boxing ability, but I just don't find it enjoyable viewing at all.

    Fury's style is a step up from the klitschko model of basically boxing by numbers, but not much of a step up, it's a very similar plan.
     
  9. jexykrodic

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    A 6 foot 9 inch guy that can move and power jab like Fury does would be a match for any boxer in any era.
     
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    momoWASboss If you take me seriously then you’re an idiot Member

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    You may guessed from my football predictions I’m often outlandish and usually wrong.

    I think he has all the talent and motivation of being 2 weight undisputed shouldn’t be an issue.
     
  11. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    Yeah, I like boxing, but I'm no expert and if I'm comparing bouts to the stuff I watched and adored as a kid (Hagler, Hearns etc) then it's not really fair or reasonable.

    And I haven't watched loads of fights in full because of the absurd pay per view costs and (mainly) the fact that they're on at 4am or whatever...although I did get up and watch this one with Finn.

    I just get the feeling with Fury that there's a bit of cult of personality involved in his popularity, which is fine and all part of the sport, but it's not exactly epoch-defining classic entertainment, because he just spoils and holds and there's no fireworks

    He's fucking funny though
     
  12. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    What's still great about boxing is the violence, blood, skill and danger, but also that it boils the piss of exactly the sort of people I don't like; pearl-clutching divvies who don't like working class sport or the people involved in it.

    Which the aforementioned BBC comments thread illustrated very clearly.

    Probably why I loved the surly, dead-eyed Hearns, whose nickname seemed rather apposite, given if he wasn't a boxer, he possibly would be killing people for money

    I'd never seen anything like him, and it was boss
     
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    [QUOTE="manwithnoname, post: 1919971, Probably why I loved the surly, dead-eyed Hearns, whose nickname seemed rather apposite, given if he wasn't a boxer, he possibly would be killing people for money
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    That and the fact that he was a part time policeman
     
  15. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    Was he?! That's even better. Imagine being arrested by Tommy Hearns.

    Surprised Detroit had such high crime rates. Maybe people were trying to get arrested just to meet him
     
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    Athens Greatest Bloke Ever [Citation Needed] Member

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    That's the way I see it too, the guy's a man mountain and would beat the shit out of most people set in front of him.
     
  17. doctor_mac

    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    It's a pretty incredible story.
     
  18. Judge Jules

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    Tyson Fury's development has been incredible and he's now a fearsome prospect for sure.  That said, I'm less convinced than some of you folks that he's now up there in the All-Time Great stakes, and the reason for my hesitation is that competition in previous years was massively hotter than it is now, so that the greats of previous eras had a much steeper hill to climb to get to the top and then to stay there.  Fury's never had to face anyone with the mobility (and incredible staying power) of an Ali or the sheer sustained ferocity of a Foreman or Joe Frazier at their peak.

    Let me be clear - I'm not saying for definite that Fury doesn't belong in that kind of company.  I'm not persuaded by the available evidence that he does though.
     
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    As Fury's said himself, he only switched style under Sugar Hill for about 6-9 months, and everyone could see the immediate difference it has made. I was surprised too as I didn't expect Fury to pack such power in his punches. You could see Wilder was surprised too. I've always thought he had pillow-fists to be honest. But let's not take away what he's got - there's no denying he's got slick boxing skills. Sure, his clumsy-looking physique doesn't always inspire confidence.

    But let's have a closer look just for fun. Assuming everyone's in peak form....

    Ali vs Fury ?
    Foreman vs Fury ?
    Frazier vs Fury ?
    Tyson vs Fury ?

    Yeah you're kind of right. Not a single fight above, would i place my bets confidently on Fury. And one thing's very sure - a peak, crazy Tyson would knock Fury out. No doubt about it.
     
  20. momoWASboss

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    A peak Tyson is one of the most ferocious sights you could see. He’d do them all in my opinion.
     

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