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This is the problem, if we end up with investment owners they want to make money.
FSG will have made a large profit and sold the club at market value, how does an investor make money then? Just by siphoning money out of the club, the only big win left is to acquire the rights to show our own matches but who knows if that’ll ever happen.
We probably need a sugar daddy to bankroll the club for reasons other than making money to actually compete financially?
FSG will have made a large profit and sold the club at market value, how does an investor make money then? Just by siphoning money out of the club, the only big win left is to acquire the rights to show our own matches but who knows if that’ll ever happen.
We probably need a sugar daddy to bankroll the club for reasons other than making money to actually compete financially?
I think we need to bear in mind that as far as Private Equity owners go, FSG are pretty benign. Our complaints on here are typically about them not putting enough money into the club. That's not how typical private equity works - the Glazers at United are more what you would expect - load the company with a load of acquisition debt, take money out of the company on a regular basis, strip out inefficiencies and get the business running on bare bones.
If we are sold to another private equity buyer, that's what we should expect.
If we're sold to a sugar daddy who's going to plough money into the club, then we're likely to be having ethical quandaries about what our owners get up to in their spare time.
Personally, I'm quite happy with the status quo, but the quid pro quo is that we're not going to be able to compete with the financial might of City, or even Newcastle. But with good coaching and careful recruitment, we can still give them a game. It would just be nice if everyone else could do that too.
If we are sold to another private equity buyer, that's what we should expect.
If we're sold to a sugar daddy who's going to plough money into the club, then we're likely to be having ethical quandaries about what our owners get up to in their spare time.
Personally, I'm quite happy with the status quo, but the quid pro quo is that we're not going to be able to compete with the financial might of City, or even Newcastle. But with good coaching and careful recruitment, we can still give them a game. It would just be nice if everyone else could do that too.
I think that even If £4bn was put on the table It would be really hard for FSG to turn it down.
If you look at the way that they do transfers,their M.O. if you wish. It is to buy young players cheap, with a re-sellable value to fund future transfers.
Now that may have happened recently, but it is how they like to do business
So I can see them selling Liverpool, and re-investing £500 - £750M in a new club in France, Italy, Spain or Portugal, some where nice and warm all year round, unlike England
That's how I see it
If you look at the way that they do transfers,their M.O. if you wish. It is to buy young players cheap, with a re-sellable value to fund future transfers.
Now that may have happened recently, but it is how they like to do business
So I can see them selling Liverpool, and re-investing £500 - £750M in a new club in France, Italy, Spain or Portugal, some where nice and warm all year round, unlike England
That's how I see it
Absolutely hilarious.
Like they give a fuck what the weather is like in Liverpool.
Correct and there aren’t any clubs in France, Spain or Portugal that are likely to grow to a multi-billion dollar team from a £750m investment.
There might be a couple in Italy.
I was trying to add some humour
I believe that you are wrong, But regardless of that, Club in those countries seem to have a lot more young and up coming players wanting to play for them that go on to be sold for larger sums of money than clubs in England.
Maybe FSG would have to wait a bit longer for those clubs to grow their market value, but the potential is there all the same, and the potential for buying talent cheap and reselling at a vast profit is more regular than the EPL
All I want is Klopp to be on a level playing field with Pep.
That means our squad value/investment over the last 10 years needs to catch up to theirs.
Which probably means giving Klopp 500m to pad out the squad.
I want to get to a place where Harvey Elliott is essentially our "Cole Palmer". Or Thiago is struggling to get into the side ahead of Bellingham.
That means our squad value/investment over the last 10 years needs to catch up to theirs.
Which probably means giving Klopp 500m to pad out the squad.
I want to get to a place where Harvey Elliott is essentially our "Cole Palmer". Or Thiago is struggling to get into the side ahead of Bellingham.
There is no "catch up".
If our owners/new owners gave Klopp another 500m, City owners would invent new sponsorship deals to give another 1b. They will continue to do whatever it takes to stay ahead financially. As they have for the last 15 years.
It's unwinable without a sugar daddy willing to take them on with financial doping. Not happening.
Booooooooo!
If there is a will to do so, a transaction can be done quickly. In my M&A days I worked on a near £5bn takeover deal which was done in 10 days. The target was a public company, so much more diversely owned than FSG's ownership of LFC. Chelsea could have been done a lot quicker without all of the sanctions. Remember, FSG themselves didn't muck around when they took over the club, all done pretty quickly (although admittedly it was clearly a bargain so the valuation aspect was moot).
That's the exception than the norm right? What's usually the time scale? I'm listening to a journalist who is saying a quick sale is 9 months and the average sale takes 18 months
FSG will do what's right for them as oppose to what's right for the club
Yes, the exception, but it's possible. And US buyers (likely favourites) don't tend to spend ages doing due diligence.
At the same time as that deal was going on, Hicks and Gillett were snooping around the club (if I hadn't started on the P2P the day before I'd have been on the H&G deal). That was in November and they finalised their deal in February (so it was done in three months, despite interest from DIC at the time).
It doesn't need to take 9-18 months and my sense is that if FSG have made a decision (they still haven't confirmed that) then they will be happy to move quickly.
It's not a matter of either/or. What's not right for the club will likely reduce its value and with it FSG's return on their investment.
If its a quick deal how much do the merchant banks charge vs a deal that takes months?
Basically the same. Their fees are based on getting it done, not how long it takes.
So if I said the merchant banks will charge between $50m-$100m would that be the right ball park?
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/202...-may-be-looking-to-buy-commanders-report.html
Sell Liverpool.. buy the Redskins..
Sell Liverpool.. buy the Redskins..
Don't know to be honest, I was usually on the buy side of the deals so we didn't see details of the sell-side fees. The merchant banks / corporate financiers on the buy side wouldn't be getting anything like that kind of fee (probably only 10-20% of that).
Democracy needs capitalism to work. Economic prosperity is a pre-requisite. But Capitalism will always try to eat up and corrupt democracy. So it's a dance.
Not so sure.. Mike Gordon is stepping back from day to day duties.
Do you like the idea of the club being run by a narcissistic cunt?Maybe the Ryan Air CEO?
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