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Crouch and Torres Partnership

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Fox, Apr 9, 2008.

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  1. foureyes

    foureyes Active Member

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    [quote author=Wet WetDreambeliever link=topic=22418.msg538153#msg538153 date=1207743096]
    [quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=22418.msg538138#msg538138 date=1207742753]
    [quote author=Anita link=topic=22418.msg538118#msg538118 date=1207742537]
    Didn't work. But, great time and place to experiment Rafa.
    [/quote]

    Cant believed he decided to do that in such a big game.
    Once again, I dont understand him.
    "Our captain and dynamo, put him out on the left. He had never played there before.
    While we are at it, put Carra at right back.
    And go for our tried and trusted partnership up front, Crouch and Torres, who have played about 300 minutes together all season."

    I just dont get him.

    But we won so who am I to question his selections?
    [/quote]

    Easy.

    Crouch tore them a new one on SAturday. He sure as shit didn't last night.

    He wanted to occupy their back line. See above

    So he had to sacrifice someone. No he didn't. Just keep at as 4-2-3-1. It works, we know it does. Why experiment on such a crucial night?

    Babel. And Gerrard is better on the left that Kuyt. Gerrard was woeful on the left and more importantly I'd rather have an average Kuyt on the left and keep Stevie in the middle than what we had for the first 30mins last night.

    We are poor on set pieces so Hyppia must play, Skrtel is quick so we needed him and you can't drop Carra.

    It made perfect sense even if it was a gamble.
    [/quote]

    There are some arguments for Rafa doing what he did last night but it made far from perfect sense.
     
  2. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    [quote author=RolandG link=topic=22418.msg538147#msg538147 date=1207742889]
    [quote author=Wet WetDreambeliever link=topic=22418.msg538144#msg538144 date=1207742804]
    Not really no.

    It did against Sunderland though.
    [/quote]

    Same result? ;D
    [/quote]

    Yep, Crouch came on and scored one and set up Torres with a flick on.
     
  3. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    [quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=22418.msg538164#msg538164 date=1207743380]
    [quote author=Wet WetDreambeliever link=topic=22418.msg538153#msg538153 date=1207743096]
    It made perfect sense even if it was a gamble.
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    Perfect sense? Hahaha.
    Pat, just wait for Brendan's reply.

    This is one reason why people have doubts about his future at our club.
    Finds a formation/system, fits players in snugly, then bang.
    Change it all.
    If he had not got lucky with the penalty, and we had lost, it would have been made a massive issue.
    Dont get me started though, Anita has already kicked me out once.
    [/quote]

    Ha ha. The 1st game last week they were on top. Saturday with Crouch we were on top.

    And again yesterday. I wouldn't have tinkered but I can see why he did.

    It also meant their full backs couldn;t bomb on as much.
     
  4. LadyRed

    LadyRed Very Active Member

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    [quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=22418.msg538164#msg538164 date=1207743380]
    Dont get me started though, Anita has already kicked me out once.
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    I didn't kick you out, I just thought you'd enjoy speaking to Gerry on that thread, but it's okay DB's spreading the madness here too.
     
  5. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    [quote author=Anita link=topic=22418.msg538223#msg538223 date=1207746328]
    [quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=22418.msg538164#msg538164 date=1207743380]
    Dont get me started though, Anita has already kicked me out once.
    [/quote]

    I didn't kick you out, I just thought you'd enjoy speaking to Gerry on that thread, but it's okay DB's spreading the madness here too.
    [/quote]

    I spread the madness everywhere. Its my job.
     
  6. LadyRed

    LadyRed Very Active Member

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    Haha, blind optimism is probably more apt.
     
  7. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    [quote author=Anita link=topic=22418.msg538230#msg538230 date=1207746434]
    Haha, blind optimism is probably more apt.
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    Nope I just believe in Rafa. He is driven and doesn't no the meaning of the word defeat.

    He will get us there.
     
  8. cochyn

    cochyn Very Active Member

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    Putting crouch on from the start was odd and did not make any sense and did not work, but i do also think that babel needed to be dropped for a game to the bench just to keep him sort of on his toes his impact was immense later in the game where there are tired legs.

    I did sort of wonder afterwards, was the idea to bring babel on late and idea to occupy the arsenal team so that they could not make use of Walcott, he has been brought on late in almost all games recently, other than his one awesome run i think he was a fairly quiet, he did not get much of the ball, because the arse where preoccupied with babel.

    that's a bit fuzzy logic i know but it is the sense i got from it all
     
  9. Ossi

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    I was quite surprised that wenger didn´t order arsenal to attack more often on our left flank. Gerrard didn´t exactly own that flank...He was in his usual advanced position when Walcott made that run.

    4-4-2 is impossible with the wingers we have at the moment.
     
  10. RolandG

    RolandG King Ding-A-Ling Member

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    [quote author=Anita link=topic=22418.msg538223#msg538223 date=1207746328]
    [quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=22418.msg538164#msg538164 date=1207743380]
    Dont get me started though, Anita has already kicked me out once.
    [/quote]

    I didn't kick you out, I just thought you'd enjoy speaking to Gerry on that thread, but it's okay DB's spreading the madness here too.
    [/quote]

    The band of 4 and growing! We're onto something Anita.
     
  11. Insignificance

    Insignificance Bad to the bone Member

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    [quote author=Wet WetDreambeliever link=topic=22418.msg538240#msg538240 date=1207746584]
    [quote author=Anita link=topic=22418.msg538230#msg538230 date=1207746434]
    Haha, blind optimism is probably more apt.
    [/quote]

    Nope I just believe in Rafa. He is driven and doesn't no the meaning of the word defeat.

    He will get us there.
    [/quote]

    So the only job now is to vipe the word Draw out of his dictionary?
     
  12. Le Chacal

    Le Chacal Very Active Member

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    We would have had 10 more points this season with this partnership up front.
    Crouch kept the ball up front and his head deflections were very usefull and allowed Torres to score the 2nd goal.
    Gerrard on the left was silly especially with a mediocre Alonso but I was happy to see the 2 up front.

    When Rafa plays to try to win the game and attack, we see a fantastic game and what the Liverpool way is about.
    With a formation like last night we could have challenged for the title.
     
  13. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    [quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=22418.msg538333#msg538333 date=1207748668]
    We would have had 10 more points this season with this partnership up front.
    Crouch kept the ball up front and his head deflections were very usefull and allowed Torres to score the 2nd goal.
    Gerrard on the left was silly especially with a mediocre Alonso but I was happy to see the 2 up front.

    When Rafa plays to try to win the game and attack, we see a fantastic game and what the Liverpool way is about.
    With a formation like last night we could have challenged for the title.
    [/quote]

    That formation didn't really work, the partnership didn't work either.
     
  14. SaintGeorge67

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    [quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=22418.msg538333#msg538333 date=1207748668]
    We would have had 10 more points this season with this partnership up front. [/quote]

    Ambitious.
     
  15. Le Chacal

    Le Chacal Very Active Member

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    It didnt really work(defensively I would say) because of Gerrard on the left and Alonso in the middle.
    Alonso is getting worse and worse and Lucas is not good enough. Mascher and Gerrard have to play in the middle behind 2 strikers. No more of this 451 shit.
    The partnership up front worked really well, the 4 goals are the proof of it.
    We need a right winger now and play attacking football like last night to have a chance to challenge with ManUtd.

    We would have beaten Brum, Wigan and Villa at home + Blackburn and City away with these 2 up front.
     
  16. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    [quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=22418.msg538363#msg538363 date=1207749299]

    The partnership up front worked really well, the 4 goals are the proof of it.

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    Two of which were scored when Crouch was off the pitch, you fucking dipstick.
     
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    [quote author=Brendan link=topic=22418.msg538370#msg538370 date=1207749478]
    [quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=22418.msg538363#msg538363 date=1207749299]

    The partnership up front worked really well, the 4 goals are the proof of it.

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    Two of which were scored when Crouch was off the pitch, you fucking dipstick.
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    And 2 of them were sored when he was on the pitch. The score was 2-1 when he wennt off. The partnership worked. Stop arguing for no reason Bren.
     
  18. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Member

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    No, hang on a sec you fucking scoper, you said the four goals were "proof". That's clearly bollocks, because half of the goals you have offered up as proof were scored when Crouch had been taken off.
     
  19. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    [quote author=Brendan link=topic=22418.msg538343#msg538343 date=1207748856]
    [quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=22418.msg538333#msg538333 date=1207748668]
    We would have had 10 more points this season with this partnership up front.
    Crouch kept the ball up front and his head deflections were very usefull and allowed Torres to score the 2nd goal.
    Gerrard on the left was silly especially with a mediocre Alonso but I was happy to see the 2 up front.

    When Rafa plays to try to win the game and attack, we see a fantastic game and what the Liverpool way is about.
    With a formation like last night we could have challenged for the title.
    [/quote]

    That formation didn't really work, the partnership didn't work either.
    [/quote]

    It did get us the second goal.
     
  20. foureyes

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    [quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=22418.msg538363#msg538363 date=1207749299]
    It didnt really work(defensively I would say) because of Gerrard on the left and Alonso in the middle.
    Alonso is getting worse and worse and Lucas is not good enough. Mascher and Gerrard have to play in the middle behind 2 strikers. No more of this 451 shit.
    The partnership up front worked really well, the 4 goals are the proof of it.
    We need a right winger now and play attacking football like last night to have a chance to challenge with ManUtd.

    We would have beaten Brum, Wigan and Villa at home + Blackburn and City away with these 2 up front.
    [/quote]

    Why not? It has worked for us. For the 15 mins or so we switched back to that formation we scored twice.
     
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