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Now, if Pesam has had the misfortune of meeting your step-grandfather, then I could understand his feelings..!
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Karl, what our dear friend D just said is a banable offense ... You just say the word and he's gone like TO's NFL career
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Sorry Avy, but the afore mentioned step-grandfather is also my own step-grandfather-in-law, so he's fair game.

That, and Karl hates the prick too!
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I was joking ... Sheesh
 
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=30752.msg822275#msg822275 date=1236888259]
Now, if Pesam has had the misfortune of meeting your step-grandfather, then I could understand his feelings..!
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Karl, what our dear friend D just said is a banable offense ... You just say the word and he's gone like TO's NFL career
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Sorry Avy, but the afore mentioned step-grandfather is also my own step-grandfather-in-law, so he's fair game.

That, and Karl hates the prick too!
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I was joking ... Sheesh
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I know that, ya f#$!in' eejit...

I didn't REALLY think you were gonna ban me, mate.
 
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I don't think that he actually knows where Buffalo is, gents.
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I would normally feel sorry for anyone moving to Buffalo (it's a tedious city) but having said that Dallas is one of the few cities that I would place below Buffalo as places to live so it's actually a step up.
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Why? It's a really nice city ... big houses, big pools, nice restaurants, etc ...
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I found it to be overly; religious, racist and hot. Visually I suppose there are worse cities in the USA and obviously the hot, humid conditions might appeal to others more than me but of all the American cities I have visited the locals were by far the most annoying.
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And how long did you visit for? And when?
And how many locals did you meet?
And how long did you visit Buffalo for? And when?
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I visited Dallas 4 times in 2007 to tie up a deal with a company based in Sunnyvale. I was introduced to quite a few of his business colleagues and his lawyers and they to me and my colleague to various parts of the city. I was quite impressed with Dallas itself but IMO savvy business blokes (as these guys are) and religion don't go well together and everything was God-this and God-that with contracts flying around that were initially dodgy if not even illegal. We still do business with them but keep both eyes open.

I also found that there was a strong racist under-current that reared it's head a couple of times followed by more God-stuff.

Maybe the general Dallas-folk are decent enough but I have done business in; New York, Chicago, Wisconsin (small town in the north of the State) and San Diego and much prefer those cities/towns.

In fairness I haven't been to Buffalo for 17 years but a very good friend of mine has lived there for 18 years and confirms my opinion of the place is still relevant - it is a very dull city, he only lives there because that is where his ex-wife and kids live.

Sorry if I offended you Whad, I am sure Dallas has many plus points but i can only judge it on what I saw.
 
Not offended mate - I just hate ignorant, uneducated sweeping generalizations. Which you clearly do NOT have.

It's unfortunate that you experienced that in your travels here... Yes, there is a hugely religious population in Texas (and all through the USA), and many bigots use their right wing, ultra-conservative christian 'beliefs' to justify their racism. Unfortunately, from a christian perspective, many of the teachings are so old-school over here, that you're taught that practically everything is wrong, if it's not the guy next to you.

Thankfully, most folks are as normal and accepting as you and I, but, as in all walks of life, the vocal minority can get the silent majority a bad name.

I love Texas and Dallas, and have found the place and the people to be very hospitable, welcoming and accepting of anybody who is respectful of them and their country / state. I have no problem with that... They didn't ask us to come here - We chose to, and should respect the place and people we descend upon, imho.

They're certainly fiercly proud of Texas and loyal to and defensive of their state (to a fault at times) when 'provoked. But aren't we all..? I will not have a bad (read: unfair) word said of Dublin myself, and I do not apologise for that. Nor Ireland. Nor America, now.

Next time you're here, gimme a shout - I'll introduce you to some locals who will change your mind about this place.

Not Karl though... He's a clown. :)
 
I just saw an article on ESPN website about how TO is a perfect fit in Buffalo. I did not bother to read it, but good god, I would think at this point his track record would speak for itself at this point.

For all the positive he brings to the table there as much if not more negative. The Bills are not really in that bad a shape, but he is going to rip that poor team apart. I just don't understand how anybody could really think that in the long run he is going to help any team.
 
He is a cancer, as Skip Bayless says TO stands for Team Obliterator, the man is a cancer.

It is a shame, because he has a grip of talent, but he can not keep his personality in check, he has deep phycological problems.
 
Broncos are in trouble ...:

Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler said Sunday night that he will not report to the team's first meeting on Monday and has formally asked to be traded. He confirmed that a Saturday meeting with first-year coach Josh McDaniels ended badly from his perspective while McDaniels offered another viewpoint on Sunday night.

"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know," Cutler added. "I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."

Consequently, Cutler instructed Cook, who also attended the meeting, to formally request a trade. The quarterback said he left town late Sunday and would skip McDaniels' first team meeting on Monday as they begin their offseason program.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen told the Denver Post on Sunday that he was disappointed with how Cutler has handled the situation. In a telephone interview with ESPN, McDaniels was reluctantly expansive on the story.

"I really have wanted to avoid a he-said, she-said thing but it's only fair for us to present the Bronco side of the story rather than let things get taken out of context," McDaniels said. "There's been a pattern here for the past two weeks the way things [have been represented] in our communications. I don't think anythng that happened [Saturday] was out of the ordinary. At the end of the meeting, Jay said he had thought about things quite a bit and requested a few more hours to mull things over. He said he wanted to talk to Bus on how to proceed. He was gonna call me on my cell phone and that never happened. Instead, Bus called [GM] Brian [Xanders].

"Again, I think that's been a pattern. I couldn't get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn't get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us. There wasn't any yelling, none of that. I can't believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].

"It's an unfortunate set of circumstances that has cropped up, a potential distraction and we've done our best to limit that. The main message I want to get out is that we're excited to start our offseason program [Monday]. It's an exciting time for us."

Cutler won't be present at the team meeting.

"I certainly went back there, expecting I'd be there [Monday] but not now," Cutler said. "It's not mandatory. I'll attend every mandatory mini-camp and training camp but that's it. Really, it's best for me to move on. As coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me."

As McDaniels pointed out, Cutler had a completely different expectation when he left their private meeting on Saturday.

Cutler said: "You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, 'Hey, let's just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee' and mend things, but that didn't happen. So, I get it, really, it's a business. I'm disappointed beause I love being a Bronco but I think it's run its course."

Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.

"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because it was the second-ranked offense in football," Cutler said. "But I didn't push for a trade then."

McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.

"That just isn't true," McDaniels said. "Not a word has been said about that."

Cutler added: "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."

McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.

"That's what we have communicated ever since the deal with Cassel didn't happen," McDaniels said. "Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."

Cutler feels like McDaniels lost his credibility with him when he initially denied to the quarterback that the Broncos tried to acquire Cassel only to admit it later.

"Before this trade for Cassel thing ever came up, in the two weeks or so I had spent with McDaniels, he was basically telling me that he came to Denver because he wanted to coach me and that we needed to trust each other," Cutler said. "He's never been critical to me. But trust now? How can I trust him now?"

He also explained that his house being put up for sale was "nothing more than a coincidence."

"I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago," Cutler said. "I've really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there."

As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said: "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"

Cook said that as an agent he was "totally in shock" that it has gotten so ugly.

"I would have bet my house going into Saturday's meeting that everyone would be shaking hands and smiling," Cook said. "I thought it was going to get worked out. But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team."

Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."

That wasn't going to happen, either.
 
I would have went after Cassel too. I never have thought much of Cutler.

How can you draft a quarterback that went to Vanderbilt.
 
He's now put his house AND his parents' house on the market...

He won't be there long, boys and girls. What a mess.
 
I hope Houston does not go after him, that would really piss me off.

I have a feeling they will because of Kubiak's connection with Denver.
 
[quote author=Karl Hungus link=topic=30752.msg825224#msg825224 date=1237214086]
I would have went after Cassel too. I never have thought much of Cutler.

How can you draft a quarterback that went to Vanderbilt.
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Cutler can be a really really good NFL QB ... He's got all the tools ...

Would you have drafted a 4 year back up at USC? No? Missed on Cassel.

Would you have drafted a back up to Brian Griese at Michigan? No? Missed on Brady.

Would you have drafted a QB from Pitt? No? Missed on Dan Marino etc.

It's not the school you went to, and let's hope Romo proves that right this year with #6 (I KNOW it won't happen D but let me dream, oK?)
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=30752.msg822704#msg822704 date=1236962019]
Not offended mate - I just hate ignorant, uneducated sweeping generalizations. Which you clearly do NOT have.

It's unfortunate that you experienced that in your travels here... Yes, there is a hugely religious population in Texas (and all through the USA), and many bigots use their right wing, ultra-conservative christian 'beliefs' to justify their racism. Unfortunately, from a christian perspective, many of the teachings are so old-school over here, that you're taught that practically everything is wrong, if it's not the guy next to you.

Thankfully, most folks are as normal and accepting as you and I, but, as in all walks of life, the vocal minority can get the silent majority a bad name.

I love Texas and Dallas, and have found the place and the people to be very hospitable, welcoming and accepting of anybody who is respectful of them and their country / state. I have no problem with that... They didn't ask us to come here - We chose to, and should respect the place and people we descend upon, imho.

They're certainly fiercly proud of Texas and loyal to and defensive of their state (to a fault at times) when 'provoked. But aren't we all..? I will not have a bad (read: unfair) word said of Dublin myself, and I do not apologise for that. Nor Ireland. Nor America, now.

Next time you're here, gimme a shout - I'll introduce you to some locals who will change your mind about this place.

Not Karl though... He's a clown. :)
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Thanks for the warning Whad, I had already been warned about the unsavoury Hungus lad when I was there in 2007. I might even take you up on your offer next time I go back to Dallas and maybe then I'll get a better insight into the place - although I will never go in August again - my sensitive alabaster skin can't take anything above 70 degrees.
 
You're both gonna think I'm saying this to wind you up, but I'm really not...

Dallas should trade Romo for Cutler. Cutler will be better in the long run, and he has a desire to win that Tony has v=never shown.

He'd make you better tomorrow.
 
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You're both gonna think I'm saying this to wind you up, but I'm really not...

Dallas should trade Romo for Cutler. Cutler will be better in the long run, and he has a desire to win that Tony has v=never shown.

He'd make you better tomorrow.
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Please don't think I'm saying this to wind you up but I wanted to post that too but realize it's never gonna happen, so no point!
 
True.

Honestly though, I think he'd make you more realistic contender than Tony does.

LOTS of pressure on Tony this year after he and Jason basically got TO kicked off the team...
 
I just don't like Cutler, would he be better than Romo, I really don't know. I think his overall record in the NFL as of right now would be a lot better if he played on a team with any kind of defense.

I would rather us stick with Romo for the time being, I still think he can get it done, blind faith no doubt, but I believe.


And the main difference between Cutler and those quarterbacks you listed, LTW, is that none of them including Marino were drafted to be starters.

Cassel backed up 2 Hiesman trophy quarterbacks at USC which is regarded as one of if not the best producers of NFL talent.

Brady I agree was a steal, but he was given the opportunity to play after Bledsoe's injury, who reallly thought a 5th round pick would become such a dominant quarterback.

Marino never won any major accolades in college, but he did guide his team to huge seasons including a a Suger Bowl win over highly favored Georgia.

Even though Cutler did not start right away, he was drafted 11th overall, no team drafts someone that high as a backup, plus the broncos traded up to get him. The highlight of his college career was a win over Tennessee. That is just not someone I would trust with my franchise. That being said I never saw him play in college, who watches Vanderbilt games.

Lets not forget Romo was undrafted.

I think the college attended is a huge factor in drafting anyone, it is for me.
 
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Cassel backed up 2 Hiesman trophy quarterbacks at USC which is regarded as one of if not the best producers of NFL talent.

Even though Cutler did not start right away, he was drafted 11th overall, no team drafts someone that high as a backup, plus the broncos traded up to get him. The highlight of his college career was a win over Tennessee. That is just not someone I would trust with my franchise. That being said I never saw him play in college, who watches Vanderbilt games.[/quote]

Cassel was drafted to be a backup ... That he turned out so good (well, let's see how he does in KC's system) was yet another 'genius' move from the Pats.

Was Vince Young drafted to start? Dante Culpepper? etc ... Not all 1st rd qbs are ready to be an every down QB in the NFL ... Some are, some aren't ... Cutler was drafted for the future, and I still think he has a good one.

Whad - I don't think Romo was as involved in 'Bye Bye TO' as Garrett was.
 
I agree 100% they are all not ready, but when they are drafted that high the fact that they are not ready has not been taken into consideration. The amount of money players are guaranteed just for being drafted high is insane, if a team drafts someone early first round, then pay him a huge amount, like they know they will, then the kid is drafted for both the present and future.

Cutler should have been drafted just for the future. He does have on hell of an arm though.
 
Panthers are denying they tried trading Peppers to the Patriots for their recently acquired draft pick from KC (32nd if memory serves me well) ... Hopefully they don't pull this off, it would be a great trade for the Pats.
 
I think its a shame about Cutler, and I blame the new coach. Cassell had a great season last but Cutler is a better long-term bet I feel. The guys 25 and has the worst Bronco team around him for a while, in certain positions anyway.
I can't see him playing for Denver again, and I can't see them getting Cassell in some reactive trade so God knows who they'll end up with.

PS, I'm glad to see there's an NFL thread on here. I was a Bronco fan late 80's (yes, I know what you think) and have dipped out of NFL and back in numerous times. Moving to Aussie has rekindled it as the game times are a bit more convenient.
 
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Cutler to Detroit for the number one pick?
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Would be a good trade for both teams I think ... You would be happy?
 
Jason Witten says To definitely made him a better player on the field. Whilst I agree that a threat elsewhere on the field that requires more defensive attention will only help other receiver/tight ends, I would love to hear someone tell us how they really feel for once.

I guess Witten is trying to be the bigger man.
 
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Cutler to da Bearsh.

Could prove to be a very good move for them...
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Jay Cutler got his wish Thursday: a ticket out of Denver. And the Chicago Bears have a franchise quarterback for the first time in decades.

The Broncos on Thursday traded their disgruntled Pro Bowl passer to the Bears, who’ve gone through a bevy of quarterbacks without much success ever since Jim McMahon was calling plays in the 1980s.

The Broncos get quarterback Kyle Orton in return, along with two first-round draft picks and a third-rounder.

The Broncos get the Bears’ top pick in this year’s draft, which is No. 18 overall, and Chicago’s first-round draft pick in 2010, along with a third-round selection this year (No. 84 overall). Denver also gave up a fifth-rounder this year.
 
I think that is a great move, they went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman, imagine what they could do with a good quarterback.
 
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