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Potential differing formations

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Jerry Laser

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TAA----MATIP----VVD----ROBBO

-----------GINI--------------FAB----------

SALAH--------BOBBY--------MANE

-------------------ORIGI--------------------

Been thinking about this today, with Origi we have seen a definite improvement in his finishing.... He doesn't give you what Bobby does but he sure could be a top quality target man / striker.

Being supplied by those 3 surely he could get plenty of goals and bring another option formation wise.

Bobby is good enough to be the play maker as we know and supply someone in front...

Thoughts?

Anyone got any other cool suggestions?
 
I thought about this formation too after the Arsenal game – the way Origi led the line towards the end of the game was quite convincing (once again the caveat was that he was playing against an absolute gash pair of CBs) and at times we could definitely do with a striker who can hold the ball up and add some physical presence up front. The first goal with a sharp turn and shot is exactly the type of CF play I want to see more often from us; so many great strikers used this move regularly to great effect. And the second was a great scorer's instinct to take two steps back just when every other player was running forward and the finish was not easy at all. Origi can never replace Firmino in terms of playmaking, but if both are on the pitch at the same time (and the 2-man midfield is strong enough to hold its own), this could give us the best of both.

If Klopp decides to rest Fabinho against Villa, this could be a good time to experiment with 4-2-3-1 once again. Perhaps us playing with a numerical disadvantage in the middle (Villa play 4-3-3/4-5-1) combined with Villa's passionate home crowd will "lure" them into trying to dominate possession and leaving too much space at the back, which our front 4 can then exploit.

--------------Alisson--------------
--------Gomez-----Van Dijk----
Trent----------------------Robbo
-----------Hendo---Gini---------
Salah------Firmino------Mane
---------------Origi----------------
 
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I thought Origi would have been great in the Spurs game given the amount of crosses coming in. But it would totally change our shape to leave a striker up there. And it would mean the two CMs would have up be on high alert.

Maybe it would work when faced with a low block, for most games I would not go for it.
 
Next time we play at old trafford we should stick 11 men behind the ball and camp out around our own area like they do.

22 players, all stood around their own boxes... It will be quite a sight to behold. Acres of empty no mans land, like between 1st world war trenches...Booting the ball the full length of the pitch, like an unwanted hand grenade.

The crowd will get frustrated and start to boo. Eventually, one of thier braver players, probably Maguire, will yell 'charge!' and they will start to lollop ungainly towards us, more due to pride than anything else.

Crying out like mongs up the pitch towards us they will come...Some will trip and fall along the way...but most will make it.

And then bam! Sucker punch counter attack.
 
Liverpool have already given their faithful, travelling support some moments to remember this season. Trent Alexander-Arnold’s free kick, lashed high into the net, at Stamford Bridge. Gini Wijnaldum, with a shot to nothing, managing to squirm the ball under Sheffield United goalkeeper Dean Henderson. Sadio Mané, with the game at Southampton’s St Mary’s still poised, rifling in from 25 yards.

All goals which derive from individuals, either in the form of brilliance or error. But the cumulative value of those three strikes, according to Understat, came to just 0.12 on one expected goals (xG) model, meaning the probability of those three strikes resulting in three goals was 4%.

There is a narrative Liverpool are lucky, and that is not the case. Wijnaldum’s winner in Sheffield was fortunate, but Alexander-Arnold and Mané provided moments of real quality. That two shots with the values of 0.05 and 0.02 respectively (or, in other words, a 5% and 2% chance of hitting the back of the net) were successful comes from the outstanding ability of the players primarily, but also the recognition sometimes (or, rather, often) it does not result in a goal.

Yet those three goals do fit a general theme of Liverpool on the road this season, and it is in stark contrast to their performances at Anfield. Using the xG metric, Liverpool should have notched 6.75 goals over the course of the five games, rather than the nine goals they have scored; in terms of conceding, there is also an overperformance, with three goals conceded, but the total on xGC (expected goals conceded) sitting higher at 5.95, nearly double. With those taken into consideration, the expected points (xP) total, which is used as a gauge to convey dominance of a team on a game-by-game basis, puts Liverpool on 7.45 points, far fewer than the 13 out of a possible 15 acquired so far. Indeed, in terms of individual games, this particular model suggests Liverpool were bettered in terms of xG in two of their five away games, at Southampton and Chelsea.

Game state would sometimes affect that; in both of those trips down south, Liverpool were 2-0 up and understandably invited pressure as they sought a killer third goal on the counter attack. But the flow of those respective 90 minutes suggest that did not happen against Southampton (who had a few big chances early), while Chelsea missed a huge opportunity in stoppage time to equalise.

What does this mean, then? Do Liverpool deserve to be sitting with an away record of 4-1-0, despite their xP putting them eighth in terms of away form, behind both Everton and Southampton? Five games is a small sample size, but there is no doubt Liverpool have enjoyed a mixture of fortune and simply being fantastic footballers. Good teams with good players often overperform, because they can do what others cannot, score from difficult situations, and possess defences (or goalkeepers) to repel big chances.

There is still clear opportunity to improve, though. While Chelsea and Manchester United account for two of the club’s seven toughest away trips (the rest of the top six, Leicester City and Everton), there have also been games against Sheffield United, Burnley and Southampton, all of which Liverpool are now expected to win in such a fierce title race. Eventually, they will have to either create more clear-cut opportunities on the road, or stop leaking so many chances in order to maintain their fantastic start.

This article by Kristian Walsh is another argument in favor of trying a new formation. We've won 4 out of 5 games on the road, but perhaps we were a bit fortunate to do so. Last season after some disappointments on the road with 4-3-3 (particularly the Napoli away game), Klopp switched to an "away model," which happened to be 4-2-3-1 with Salah up top and Shaqiri on the wing. 2 DMs give us a more solid base in the middle and we can play more on the counter instead of having to dominate every game like we have to do with 4-3-3. Will he make a switch this season?
 
I like it but it also means we have less ability to change a game from the bench unless we either seriously start to back Elliot/Brewster or bring Shaq back into the fold a bit. I think it would be a great line up at home against teams who park the bus.
 
Next time we play at old trafford we should stick 11 men behind the ball and camp out around our own area like they do.

22 players, all stood around their own boxes... It will be quite a sight to behold. Acres of empty no mans land, like between 1st world war trenches...Booting the ball the full length of the pitch, like an unwanted hand grenade.

The crowd will get frustrated and start to boo. Eventually, one of thier braver players, probably Maguire, will yell 'charge!' and they will start to lollop ungainly towards us, more due to pride than anything else.

Crying out like mongs up the pitch towards us they will come...Some will trip and fall along the way...but most will make it.

And then bam! Sucker punch counter attack.

The Western Front approach. Is laying barbed wire across the pitch against PL rules?
 
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