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17 Nov 2012 07:30

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The great football swindle: are tickets now too expensive?
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I heard a radio discussion the other day about the lowest-priced general sale ticket for today’s north London derby coming in at £89.
I’ll repeat that for those with lengthy match-going memories who don’t yet light cigars with £20 notes. The cheapest no-frills ticket that Arsenal had left for a home league game was a quid short of 90. Or what it would take an adult on the national minimum wage 14 hours to earn.
There was incredulity on the airwaves but not shock. Because it’s what we’ve all come to expect.
On Sunday, the cheapest ticket a mate could buy in the Chelsea away end was £56. It cost him £74 to travel from Liverpool by rail. For the same game in 1986 the train ticket cost £11.50 and entrance to Stamford Bridge £3. Meaning that in 26 years the cost of train travel (which we’re constantly told is scandalous) has gone up 6.5 times wheras the cost of watching top-flight football has gone up almost 18.5 times.
Indeed, in the past year alone, the cheapest Premier League ticket has risen from £24.87 to £28.30. A rise of 13.7%, almost six times the rate of inflation, during a double-dip recession when real wages are falling.
And no-one is really shocked because that is what we’ve come to expect. Besides where’s the Off-fan commissioner to complain to?
The clubs pay lip service to fans’ pleas, players are so obsessed with wangling their next big pay deal ticket prices are irrelevant, politicians have no will to act (remember The Football Task Force headed by that great People’s Tribune Lord David Mellor which had as much impact as a trump in a hurricane) and the Premier League don’t care so long as the billions keep pouring in from TV deals.
But how much longer can this immoral ripping-off of one set of consumers go on before people take a stand?
There was a very successful Un-Convention event at Manchester’s National Football Museum last weekend, attended by a couple of hundred fans from different clubs, whose main point of discussion was the scandalous ticket prices.
There was a flag at Stamford Bridge on Sunday which said “Football Is Nothing Without Fans.” It was a shot across the bows at those who think the exploitation of the paying public can continue ad infinitum.
It can’t. Grass roots fan groups, inspired by the Against Modern Football movement, are organising. They know that if English football wants to continue marketing itself as a unique global brand it needs them.
The Premier League is not technically the best in Europe, but it is deemed the most intense and passionate. That’s why it sells.
Yet our grounds are getting less and less atmospheric because the young, the lower-paid and traditional supporters are being driven out by tourists on day trips and the well-connected on business jollies.
If that’s what Premier League clubs want, then fine. Go ahead and pump the next £5billion you’ll receive from TV deals into the pockets of super-rich players and agents, while driving ticket prices ever more upward.
But beware. Germany is not only starting to produce better teams than us, it has long had more atmospheric grounds because instead of ripping people off it takes pride in fostering a passionate, old-fashioned fan culture.
Who’s to say in a few years the world won’t prefer to watch a raucous thriller between Bayern and Dortmund to a routine rout of Reading at the Etihad with rows of sky blue plastic on show?
One City fan at last week’s Manchester convention made a great point about Adrian Chiles and the ITV panel bemoaning the number of empty seats at the recent televised home game against Ajax:
“Sorry we couldn’t provide the ideal backdrop for your cameras, chaps. But when was the last time any of you smug, over-paid b******s paid to go to a match?”
It’s a point you’ll increasingly hear until football realises it can only drain so much from its life-blood until all that’s left is an anaemic shell.
 
When you add the price of a few pints, something to eat, maybe a programme, it's an expensive day out. Worse if you've got kids. The worry is where do the next generation of supporters come from if adults, never mind the kids are finding it more and more difficult to meet the cost? Like it or not, it's becoming a sport for the wealthy. Not wanting to stereotype but are they the type of supporter to scream, sing and swear their head off at a game and even if they do, the crowd is just becoming older and older and less likely to get involved. Us being shite doesn't help either.

A match ticket is comparable in price to a good gig. But a gig lasts longer and you're virtually guaranteed to be entertained.
 
Absolutely agree. This cannot go on for much longer. The level of prices of match tickets, merchandise etc. has become ridiculous. It goes up in line with the ever growing inflated salaries of overpaid footballers, executives, associated media people and in short whoever is associated with this industry.
World economy has not been great for more than 4 years now, yet those prices keep going up. I suspect the day this bubble will blow up is not far away. And then all of up football lovers are going to regret it. I hope something is done before this happens.

And Squonk - regarding your comparison to gigs - no one goes to the gig every week while many football fans go to the match on a regular basis.
 
Yeah I know that Jimmy, just trying to say you've got the risk of watching a load of turgid shite at a match. Then again, same could be said for a lot of bands.
 
Absolutely agree. This cannot go on for much longer. The level of prices of match tickets, merchandise etc. has become ridiculous. It goes up in line with the ever growing inflated salaries of overpaid footballers, executives, associated media people and in short whoever is associated with this industry.
World economy has not been great for more than 4 years now, yet those prices keep going up. I suspect the day this bubble will blow up is not far away. And then all of up football lovers are going to regret it. I hope something is done before this happens.

And Squonk - regarding your comparison to gigs - no one goes to the gig every week while many football fans go to the match on a regular basis.

It doesn't affect the vast majority of fans though jimmy does it ? It only really only affects those who pay for tickets now and are willing to pay a certain price for those tickets. There is a limit of course and what you'll find is increasingly poorly attended games as people simply can't afford tickets for all games and will become more selective in ones they choose. The shitty atmospheres will get worse but hey who cares as long as the club and the greedy footballers can get their income from Sky and the likes who people are more willing to pay money towards despite bemoaning how they've ruined the game. You're fucked if you do and fucked if you don't really.
 
I'm sad to say this is one battle our fans won't stand in arms for.

We have many fans who will pay whatever it takes for most games, so whilst some matches will suffer, a lot won't.

The lesser supported clubs may carry this baton for all of us, if their fans don't attend match after match something may start to happen. It's unlikely it will be any time soon though, sadly.
 
The majority of tickets in our or Arsenals or any other big team's grounds are season tickets and there's a waiting list for them. You could fill most of the rest of the seats with tourists, so the price doesn't really matter.

I mean 90 quid is fuckloads to go see Arsenal Tottenham if you're a dad who's worked all week and wants to take two kids, but if you're over in London for the weekend with your missus or mates, you've already spent shitloads on flights and hotels, it's not much really.

So forget about the price drops any time soon. If you want cheaper live football, go see a lower league team.
 
How the Bundesliga puts the Premier League to shame
With cheap ticket prices and sound financial management, the Bundesliga is the antithesis of the Premier League
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Borussia Dortmund's Westfalenstadion is home to the world's largest stand, where the average ticket price is just €15. Photograph: Michael Sohn/AP
In Germany the fan is king. The Bundesliga has the lowest ticket prices and the highest average attendance of Europe's five major leagues. At Borussia Dortmund their giant stand holds 26,000 and costs little more than £10 for admission. Clubs limit the number of season tickets to ensure everyone has a chance to see the games, and the away team has the right to 10% of the available capacity. Match tickets double as free rail passes with supporters travelling in a relaxed atmosphere in which they can sing, drink beer to wash down their sausages, and are generally treated as desirables: a philosophy English fans can only dream of.
The Bundesliga may be Europe's only fit and proper football league – the sole major domestic competition whose clubs collectively make a profit – yet no German team has won the Champions League for nine years. This success rate, though, could be about to change following Bayern Munich's advance to the semi-finals, following their thrilling disposal of Manchester United last week at Old Trafford.
"The Bundesliga as a brand, a competition, is in good shape. We have a very, very interesting competition, a stable and sustainable business model that relies on three revenue sources," the Bundesliga chief executive, Christian Seifert, tells Observer Sport. A holy trinity comprising match-day revenue (€424m), sponsorship receipts (€573m) and broadcast income (€594m) is the main contributor to the Bundesliga's €1.7bn turnover.
A glance at the continent's other major leagues confirms the state the sport is in. On these shores Portsmouth dice with extinction, while Manchester United and Liverpool build mammoth debt mountains. In Spain, where debts are just as high, La Liga players may strike because of unpaid wages in the lower divisions. The stadiums of Italy are half-filled, and in France their clubs spend more of their income (71%) on players' wages than those of any country.
Seifert says the success of the Bundesliga is because of the "core value" of the supporter coming first at its clubs. This is why tickets are kept so cheap. "Because the clubs don't ask for more money," he explains. "It is not in the clubs' culture so much [to raise prices]. They are very fan orientated. The Bundesliga has €350m less per season than the Premier League in matchday revenues. But you could not from one day to another triple prices.
"Borussia Dortmund has the biggest stand in the world. The Yellow Wall holds 26,000, and the average ticket price is €15 (£13) because they know how valuable such a fan culture and supporter base is.
"We have a very interesting situation. First, tickets are cheap. Second, many clubs limit the percentage of season tickets. For instance, Borussia Dortmund, Schalke 04, Hamburg, Bayern Munich. They want to give more fans the chance to watch games live. If you have 80%, 100% then it is all the same people in the stadium. Also in Germany the guest club has the right to 10% of the tickets for its fans."
Last season La Liga attracted an average of 28,478 fans, Ligue 1 21,034, Serie A 25,304 and the Premier League 35,592. These figures are dwarfed by the Bundesliga's average of 41,904. Its soaring attendances are matched by a balanced approach to salaries. "The crucial thing in last year's €1.7bn turnover and €30m profit was that Bundesliga clubs paid less than 50% of revenue in players wages," Seifert says. This is the continent's lowest. In 2007‑08 [the most recent available year] the Premier League paid out 62%.
All this prudent financial management is achieved despite the Bundesliga's television income being a modest €594m compared with the Premier League's lucrative return of €1.94bn. Seifert explains the disparity. "The TV market in Germany is very special. When pay-TV was introduced in 1991 the average household already received 34 channels for free. Therefore we had the most competitive free TV market in the world, so this influenced the growth of pay-TV very much. We were forced to show all of the 612 games of the Bundesliga and second Bundesliga live on pay-TV. So we have to carry the production costs of this."
No Bundesliga team has won the Champions League since Bayern Munich beat Valencia in 2001 and its last finalist was Bayer Leverkusen, eight years ago. But Seifert disputes whether the small return from television rights has been a defining factor in this record. "Money-wise, Bayern Munich is ranked in the first four clubs of Europe. And bear in mind even Chelsea, which spent a hell of a lot of money in the last years, didn't win it. Sometimes you could have the feeling that the ability to win the Champions League goes in line with your willingness to burn a hell of a lot of money. For that reason I think Uefa is on very good track with their financial fair play idea."
Deloitte's accountancy figures for the 2007-08 season show all but one Premier League club (Aston Villa) to be in debt. Compare this with the Bundesliga report for last season, which offers a markedly disappointed tone when recording that "only 11 of the 18 clubs are now in the black".
Pressed further on the lack of success in Europe's premier club competition Seifert argues for sport's cyclical nature. "At the end of the 1990s the Bundesliga was the strongest in Europe. In 1997 we had won the Champions League [Borussia Dortmund] and the Uefa Cup [Schalke]," he says.
"Then in 1999, 2001 and 2002 we were in the final at least. In those days the Premier League had more money, too. It depends not only on money but the quality you have – if it only depended on money then Porto wouldn't have played Monaco in the 2004 final."
Seifert also points to German football's success in producing its own players. This is borne out by Germany being European champions at under-17, under-19, and under-21 level. "The Bundesliga and German FA made a right decision 10 years ago when they decided that to obtain a licence to play you must run an education camp [academy]. The Bundesliga and second Bundesliga spend €75m a year on these camps.
"Five thousand players aged 12-18 are educated there, which has now made the number of under-23-year-olds in the Bundesliga 15%. Ten years ago it was 6%. This allows more money to be spent on the players that are bought, and there is a bigger chance to buy better, rather than average, players," Seifert says of a league in which the stellar performers currently include Bayern's Frank Ribéry and Arjen Robben.
"When Bayern played against Manchester United Philipp Lahm, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Holger Badstuber and Thomas Müller were all homegrown," Seifert says. "So yes, it's a cyclical environment and you have to deal with that. Therefore I'd deny that you could really say whether a league is strong or weak just because one club wins or does not win the Champions League."
Seifert's view is supported by Arsenal having followed United out of the competition last week, when Arsène Wenger's team were dismantled by Barcelona, to leave no Premier League presence in the semi-finals for the first time since 2003. And for the 2012-13 season Germany should have four places in the Champions League as by then they should have overtaken Serie A in Uefa's five-year coefficients.
Seifert also has Spain in his sights. "If we consider our financial capabilities and the stability of our business model, then the aim of the Bundesliga in the long run has got to be second place behind the Premier League," he says.
Of all the Bundesliga's regulations, the recent history of English football suggests it might have benefited most from the 50+1 rule. This states that members of a club must retain at least 51% ownership, so preventing any single entity taking control. Portsmouth are the most glaring example of how an outsider might potentially ruin a club – their administrator is currently searching for their fifth owner of this season – and the Bundesliga recently reiterated the commitment to the rule following a challenge from Hannover 96.
Martin Kind, Hannover's president, wished to change the regulation. He told Observer Sport: "The rule means the loss of many Bundesliga clubs' ability to compete nationally and internationally. And in some ways it prevents further development of German football, especially those clubs who play in the lower half of the Bundesliga as they do not have enough financial resources. The ownership rule should be abandoned or modified."
While Kind adds that his lawyers believe he has a "good chance" of winning the case when it is heard at the court of arbitration for sport this year, Seifert is proud that when the 36 clubs that comprise the Bundesliga's two divisions voted on the issue "35 were against".
There are exceptions to the 50+1 rule. Yet even these appear couched in common sense. Seifert again: "Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg [whom Fulham knocked out of the Europa Cup on Thursday] are two. If a company is supporting football in a club for more than 20 years then it can acquire the majority. The idea is that a company has by then proved to fans and the league that they take their engagement in the Bundesliga seriously, that it's not just a fancy toy or part-time cash injection that [could] change from one day to another."
What the Bundesliga does allow to be transformed from one season to the next is the prospect of any and all its clubs mounting a realistic tilt at the title as Wolfsburg's triumph, the first in their 64-year history, proved last season.
"In the last three years of the Bundesliga we have three different cup winners and three different champions," Seifert says. "Sepp Herberger, the coach of the West German team that won the 1954 World Cup, said: 'You know why people go to the stadium? Because they don't know how it ends.'"
 
In the end they'll probably leave the stadia for corporate dining and stream the games live. I sometimes anticipate the experience now by opening all the windows and doors, sitting with my legs pressed up against another chair, and if I can't find a cockney to shout nonsense in my ear for 90 minutes I just turn on the vacuum cleaner and hold the nozzle to my ear. It's almost like being there.
 
In the end they'll probably leave the stadia for corporate dining and stream the games live. I sometimes anticipate the experience now by opening all the windows and doors, sitting with my legs pressed up against another chair, and if I can't find a cockney to shout nonsense in my ear for 90 minutes I just turn on the vacuum cleaner and hold the nozzle to my ear. It's almost like being there.
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The majority of tickets in our or Arsenals or any other big team's grounds are season tickets and there's a waiting list for them. You could fill most of the rest of the seats with tourists, so the price doesn't really matter.

I mean 90 quid is fuckloads to go see Arsenal Tottenham if you're a dad who's worked all week and wants to take two kids, but if you're over in London for the weekend with your missus or mates, you've already spent shitloads on flights and hotels, it's not much really.

So forget about the price drops any time soon. If you want cheaper live football, go see a lower league team.

Heh, for real.

One of my mates from over here is stopping by London on the way to my wedding next year to see an Arsenal game. Lifetime supporter, never been to a game, etc. Anyway, it so happens that the game on at the time is Arsenal at home to Man Utd. He's got lucky with that fixture scheduling, but anyway...

He has already paid some travel company 500 pounds for the 'guarantee' of a ticket for the game. That's not a typo either, 500 fucking quid.

This is on top of the extra grand or two he's had to pay for flights, hotels, and the fucking mint he's gonna have to throw his missus to go shopping for the day so he can enjoy the match in peace.

There's a reason why the PL sends every fucking club off around the world during the off season and not to cunting Maidstone to promote the game.

Touroids are where the dollahs be at.
 
I struggled to get spares or any special deals in hospitality last week for Newcastle because, according to one of my sources of tickets, tons of tourists from all over Europe saw that fixture, saw the Manure v Arse game in Manchester the day before it and bought everything up from both clubs.

You think a lads weekend from Dublin / Oslo / Berlin / Wherever the hell else cares that the tickets for those two game might cost a couple of hundred each? They're already spending thousands on coke and whores... and they don't even care who wins in the games.
 
Five hundred quid for one game is just madness.
I know the cost of travelling over to Anfield three or four times a year would easily cover the cost of a season ticket but there is no way I could justify that sort of money on one game.
Maybe if I could go back in time I would pay that to be at Istanbul but that is about it I reckon
 
I struggled to get spares or any special deals in hospitality last week for Newcastle because, according to one of my sources of tickets, tons of tourists from all over Europe saw that fixture, saw the Manure v Arse game in Manchester the day before it and bought everything up from both clubs.

You think a lads weekend from Dublin / Oslo / Berlin / Wherever the hell else cares that the tickets for those two game might cost a couple of hundred each? They're already spending thousands on coke and whores... and they don't even care who wins in the games.
I could show you a more budget oriented trip mate, sans coke and whores;)
 
Five hundred quid for one game is just madness.
I know the cost of travelling over to Anfield three or four times a year would easily cover the cost of a season ticket but there is no way I could justify that sort of money on one game.
Maybe if I could go back in time I would pay that to be at Istanbul but that is about it I reckon

You say that cos you're a fucking O'Leary flight away and a quick PM to one of the decent folk off here from it every weekend.

If you'd supported it avidly your whole life from the other side of the world, and this was likely to be your only chance to ever get to a game - you'd pay it.
 
You say that cos you're a fucking O'Leary flight away and a quick PM to one of the decent folk off here from it every weekend.

If you'd supported it avidly your whole life from the other side of the world, and this was likely to be your only chance to ever get to a game - you'd pay it.

Still naughty though isn't it ? I don't like the idea of any fan being ripped off and these ticketing companies are right cunts. The clubs are as bad though by feeding them tickets in the first place
 
I could show you a more budget oriented trip mate, sans coke and whores;)

Yeah but I met a bunch from Dublin last week who'd initially booked the Liverpool Newcastle game flights when it was on the Saturday, so they got into town on the Friday, but when the game got moved to Sunday booked return flights on the Monday instead.

As I say, in the context of that whole weekend even a well overpriced ticket isn't a big deal.
 
You say that cos you're a fucking O'Leary flight away and a quick PM to one of the decent folk off here from it every weekend.

If you'd supported it avidly your whole life from the other side of the world, and this was likely to be your only chance to ever get to a game - you'd pay it.
Okay, I might pay it but I wouldn't be happy about it;)
 
Still naughty though isn't it ? I don't like the idea of any fan being ripped off and these ticketing companies are right cunts. The clubs are as bad though by feeding them tickets in the first place

Oh no doubt, it's a fucking joke.

I tried to tell him to save his money and he's get one outside the ground off some cunt for about 200 quid max - but no dice, he's talking about this game like it's his first ever handjob.
 
On a related note, this is a great article from Daniel Taylor...

Nothing crazy about AFC Wimbledon fans' grievances against MK Dons

Forgive me if, for this match, I put aside my usual objectivity and want one team to win
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AFC Wimbledon fans during their Blue Square Bet Premier League play-off final at the City of Manchester Stadium. Photograph: Chris Brunskill/Getty Images
In one respect it would be nice to think the away end will be empty and the protest a visible one, in the form of row after row of unfilled seats, with the message it sends that, ultimately, it is the people who watch football who choose its good guys and its pariahs.
Equally, it would be easy to understand if there are supporters of AFC Wimbledon who want to take the moment and would rather not join the boycott when the alternative is to make their feelings known in person, however affronted they are by the idea of putting money into the club, Milton Keynes Dons, they prefer to call "the franchise".
They could release black balloons, as they did when it became clear that a group of businessmen with glossy brochures and all the answers were planning the relocation and slow torture of a 113-year-old club. But a lot of things were tried back in those days – protest marches and placards and leaflets and general clasping of hands and pleading with the relevant authorities to do the right thing. But it didn't make any difference. The people in charge ignored them, the Crazy Gang was wound up and the announcement from Football Association headquarters came on 28 May 2002. The supporters of a club that had risen through the leagues, beaten Liverpool in an FA Cup final and pricked just about every ego going had their JFK moment.
What has happened since is so inspirational it should really be made into a film. Most films like a happy ending, too, and an away win at the Stadium MK on 2 December would certainly make a powerful final scene now the FA Cup has brought the two sides together for the first time. If nothing else, it would be interesting to see who gets to play Pete Winkelman, gritting his teeth in the directors' box and maybe – just maybe – wondering whether it was worth all the hassle.
Winkelman's vision of football taking off at a newish town just off junction 14 of the M1 never quite worked out as he hoped, did it? At the same time, AFC Wimbledon, formed from the ashes of the old club, have become one of the great stories of the past decade, on a steep trajectory that has taken them into the Football League, incorporating five promotions in nine years, a 78-match unbeaten run lasting the best part of two years and, more than anything, a reminder that football is supposed to be a place for enjoyment – not politics, profile-building or the rich getting richer.
AFC Wimbledon are proof that a supporter-run club can work and be a role model, certainly, for the Portsmouth Supporters' Trust as it takes its first steps into what is essentially a hard, unforgiving workplace, sifting through the mess that others have left behind, with no guarantees that it will work out. At least Portsmouth, under their new regime, have the head start of beginning in League One and having a place to play. Wimbledon's first game was against Sutton United, a pre-season friendly preparing for a place in the Combined Counties League, for clubs from London, Berkshire, Hampshire, Middlesex and Surrey. They lost 4-0. The next eight games were defeats before finally breaking the duck against Enfield Town in the Supporters' Direct Cup. All things considered, it is a minor miracle that, at 5.44pm on 21 May last year, their captain, Danny Kedwell, turned to his team-mates on the halfway line at the City of Manchester Stadium, at 3-3 in a penalty shoot-out with Luton Town, uttered four words – "this is our time" – and then set off to take the kick that won the Conference play-off final and a place in the league.
Would a win on 2 December even trump that? Probably not. Naturally, it would be pretty damn sweet – revenge, schadenfreude, bitterness; call it what you will – but it would be wrong to think Wimbledon are looking forward to this tie. The second-round draw has simply picked at a lot of old wounds about the long chain of events that ended with the FA apparently forgetting that a club is meant to represent its community and ticking off the move that meant Wimbledon – broke, homeless Wimbledon – were shunted 60 miles north.
Those grievances will never go away and it is hardly surprising when the politics and scheming before that point made it such a dirty fight. A classic example: the time the then club's chairman, Charles Koppel, another director and a legal adviser tried to get on board a local residents' association to oppose the fans' suggestion that the old Plough Lane site was big enough for a new stadium. What Koppel did not know was that one of the homeowners was sympathetic to the supporters and secretly taping the meeting. Among other gems, Koppel was overheard saying: "Football supporters are not necessarily the kind of people you want on your doorstep."

What they had on their doorstep instead was a planning battle with Safeway to prevent a supermarket going up. The wreck of the old ground lay untouched for years and if you walk down there now you will see a number of unremarkable flats named Bassett House, Cork House, Lawrie House and so on. As for the club that made those names famous, there is a reason why some of the AFC Wimbledon supporters who do go to Milton Keynes next month might be wearing T-shirts carrying the immortal quote "not in the wider interests of football".
To clarify, they were the words the FA's commission chose about the possibility of a breakaway club once the three members on the panel had finished considering Koppel's appeal against the Football League vote, 8-0, to block the move to Milton Keynes. Alan Turvey, chairman of the Ryman League, agreed with the original decision. Steve Stride, then Aston Villa's secretary, went the other way and so did the panel chairman, Raj Parker, a solicitor from Freshfields.
The vote was 2-1 and, somewhere across London, a Wimbledon fan by the name of Erik Samuelson was in a cab, on his way to a business meeting. The driver broke the news. "Oh, they've allowed Wimbledon to go to Milton Keynes." Samuelson remembers nothing of what happened in that meeting. "My stomach went through the floor. I felt physically sick."
Samuelson is chief executive of the new club and, along with the other board members, he will not be accepting Winkelman's hospitality. They would rather chew on glass than touch Milton Keynes's sandwiches and sausage rolls. They would also like "Dons" to be removed from the Milton Keynes name, though Winkelman seems to think that's all a bit rich. "I'm surprised Erik thinks I would listen to someone who wasn't one of our fans." Which sort of ignores the fact that he and Koppel and various others never listened to Wimbledon supporters.
It happens too often but at least, through all the mud, sweat and tears, AFC Wimbledon have shown what can be done. They now have an FA Cup tie to get ready for against the club that wanted a south London team in Buckinghamshire, in a competition run by the organisation that sanctioned it, and at a ground that is usually two-thirds empty (average league gate: 8,518) when once it was argued a 20,000-capacity stadium at Plough Lane could never be big enough. We're meant to be an unbiased lot, us journalists. Forgive me if, for this match, I make an exception.​
 
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