The Greatest Irish Sportsperson Ever!
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After the recent tour, surely it has to be Muhammad Ali. 
That should be a cracking show.
It's impossible to judge.
Aidan O Brien isn't really a sportsman is he ? He's a brilliant horse trainer but I don't think that puts him in the sportsman group.
Should George Best be in that list ?
Michelle Smith shouldn't be on that list either.
I wonder about including GAA players in it, they don't compete with the best from around the world the way most of the others did.
It'll probably go to Harrington in the end.
Aidan O Brien isn't really a sportsman is he ? He's a brilliant horse trainer but I don't think that puts him in the sportsman group.
Should George Best be in that list ?
Michelle Smith shouldn't be on that list either.
I wonder about including GAA players in it, they don't compete with the best from around the world the way most of the others did.
It'll probably go to Harrington in the end.
I think O'Driscoll has a good chance of winning it.
It'll be him or Harrington.
It'll be him or Harrington.
I have no idea about Hurling but anybody with the name Chrusty Ring gets my vote.
Ahh the Irish, provide us with endless enjoyment and without a hint of irony.
Ahh the Irish, provide us with endless enjoyment and without a hint of irony.
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=35719.msg940522#msg940522 date=1252485492]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940496#msg940496 date=1252483322]
Stephen Roche is a bit tainted though isn't he ?
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I must have missed that, what happened?
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He was caught taking EPO in 1993. Obviously his big success was in '87 but it casts a shadow over it.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1052710.ece?token=null&offset=12
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940496#msg940496 date=1252483322]
Stephen Roche is a bit tainted though isn't he ?
[/quote]
I must have missed that, what happened?
[/quote]
He was caught taking EPO in 1993. Obviously his big success was in '87 but it casts a shadow over it.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1052710.ece?token=null&offset=12
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=35719.msg940522#msg940522 date=1252485492]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940496#msg940496 date=1252483322]
Stephen Roche is a bit tainted though isn't he ?
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I must have missed that, what happened?
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Just googled it and read about the whole EPO thing. At the end of the day I doubt there has been a top cyclist not taking performance enhancing drugs over the last 50 years so his achievements although tainted are still relatively impressive but I agree he can't be voted "Greatest Ever" because of the drugs link.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940496#msg940496 date=1252483322]
Stephen Roche is a bit tainted though isn't he ?
[/quote]
I must have missed that, what happened?
[/quote]
Just googled it and read about the whole EPO thing. At the end of the day I doubt there has been a top cyclist not taking performance enhancing drugs over the last 50 years so his achievements although tainted are still relatively impressive but I agree he can't be voted "Greatest Ever" because of the drugs link.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940524#msg940524 date=1252485729]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=35719.msg940522#msg940522 date=1252485492]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940496#msg940496 date=1252483322]
Stephen Roche is a bit tainted though isn't he ?
[/quote]
I must have missed that, what happened?
[/quote]
He was caught taking EPO in 1993. Obviously his big success was in '87 but it casts a shadow over it.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1052710.ece?token=null&offset=12
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It's one of those things though that the lads he beat were taking the same drugs, it doesn't make it right but it still gives him a bit of credibility -or does it?
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=35719.msg940522#msg940522 date=1252485492]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940496#msg940496 date=1252483322]
Stephen Roche is a bit tainted though isn't he ?
[/quote]
I must have missed that, what happened?
[/quote]
He was caught taking EPO in 1993. Obviously his big success was in '87 but it casts a shadow over it.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article1052710.ece?token=null&offset=12
[/quote]
It's one of those things though that the lads he beat were taking the same drugs, it doesn't make it right but it still gives him a bit of credibility -or does it?
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940529#msg940529 date=1252486197]
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
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Yes.
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
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Yes.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940529#msg940529 date=1252486197]
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
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It's a conundrum; are people from the 6 counties actually Irish? Yes, Do they want to be associated with the other 26 counties? Some do, some don't. And we're back to the religious divide again.
I possibly wouldn't include the 6 counties for this category as they would be included in a "Greatest British" poll anyway.
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
[/quote]
It's a conundrum; are people from the 6 counties actually Irish? Yes, Do they want to be associated with the other 26 counties? Some do, some don't. And we're back to the religious divide again.
I possibly wouldn't include the 6 counties for this category as they would be included in a "Greatest British" poll anyway.
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=35719.msg940533#msg940533 date=1252486889]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940529#msg940529 date=1252486197]
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
[/quote]
It's a conundrum; are people from the 6 counties actually Irish? Yes, Do they want to be associated with the other 26 counties? Some do, some don't. And we're back to the religious divide again.
I possibly wouldn't include the 6 counties for this category as they would be included in a "Greatest British" poll anyway.
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Never really considered Georgie as Irish myself. More of a manc. I suppose he is though. Moreso than Great British at least. *Pedant Alert* Maybe someone with more knowledge of the topic can correct me but isn't he an Irish subject of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? *Alert over*
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35719.msg940529#msg940529 date=1252486197]
Hard to say really.
But I suppose in this instance were judging him against others where there is no suspicion of drug taking (Michelle Smith excepted, and probably George Best ....) so against them he should be taken down a notch.
I would have never considered George Best Irish, am I right in that respect ?
[/quote]
It's a conundrum; are people from the 6 counties actually Irish? Yes, Do they want to be associated with the other 26 counties? Some do, some don't. And we're back to the religious divide again.
I possibly wouldn't include the 6 counties for this category as they would be included in a "Greatest British" poll anyway.
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Never really considered Georgie as Irish myself. More of a manc. I suppose he is though. Moreso than Great British at least. *Pedant Alert* Maybe someone with more knowledge of the topic can correct me but isn't he an Irish subject of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? *Alert over*
No doubt Keane the traitor will be in there
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=35719.msg940642#msg940642 date=1252500068]
No doubt Keane the traitor will be in there
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why wouldnt he...greatest player ireland ever had arguably
No doubt Keane the traitor will be in there
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why wouldnt he...greatest player ireland ever had arguably
[quote author=Vanbasten84 link=topic=35719.msg940691#msg940691 date=1252509336]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=35719.msg940642#msg940642 date=1252500068]
No doubt Keane the traitor will be in there
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why wouldnt he...greatest player ireland ever had arguably
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Because he also abandoned us in our hour of need.
And Paul McGrath was better.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=35719.msg940642#msg940642 date=1252500068]
No doubt Keane the traitor will be in there
[/quote]
why wouldnt he...greatest player ireland ever had arguably
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Because he also abandoned us in our hour of need.
And Paul McGrath was better.
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