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This seasons winners and losers

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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33594.msg870415#msg870415 date=1242732270]
Disagree. For one thing this is about the season just finishing, not last season. For another, while it's true that Brown did extremely well this season to begin with, he then p!ssed it all away with his ludicrous half-time stunt when they played Man.City and has clearly lost the dressing-room in the wake of that.
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I dont think the half time rollicking helped matters but his team being found out for lack of depth and quality has also been a problem. They are relying on people like Barmby (whos 14 yr old kid is probably a better player than he is by the way) to get them out of trouble.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=33594.msg870511#msg870511 date=1242741995]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33594.msg870415#msg870415 date=1242732270]
Disagree. For one thing this is about the season just finishing, not last season. For another, while it's true that Brown did extremely well this season to begin with, he then p!ssed it all away with his ludicrous half-time stunt when they played Man.City and has clearly lost the dressing-room in the wake of that.
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I dont think the half time rollicking helped matters but his team being found out for lack of depth and quality has also been a problem. They are relying on people like Barmby (whos 14 yr old kid is probably a better player than he is by the way) to get them out of trouble.
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I don't think it helped that in January he broke Hulls transfer record to sign Jimmy Bullard.
 
[quote author=A_K_Q_J_10 link=topic=33594.msg870530#msg870530 date=1242743852]
Possibly add Wenger to the losers list?
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I think it is Arsenal that should be added to the losers list if he leaves. It might spark a mass exodus of their best players.
 
I don't think it helped that in January he broke Hulls transfer record to sign Jimmy Bullard.

I doubt they'd be in this much trouble if he hadn't got injured. Good player.

Still, Phil Brown is deffo a twat. Not as big a twat as that chopheaded, bacon-eared cunt Allardyce, but a twat nevertheless.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33594.msg869953#msg869953 date=1242674092]
Agree with the first five. Phil Brown? Well, the fantastic start showed he had *something*, surely?



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What made me laugh was that when Hull were doing well, Allardyce had the nerve to take the credit for it! He said something like, 'It gives me a lot of pleasure because it proves my methods are correct'! Now he's gone strangely quiet!
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=33594.msg870391#msg870391 date=1242729241]
I wouldn't have Brown in the losers section. It was a miracle that he ever got Hull to the premiership let alone still in with a chance of keeping them up on the final day of the season.
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Totally agree, Brown can't be judged until Sunday but if he keeps Hull City up he will have achieved a minor miracle and his mistakes this season must be overlooked. If they go down then it brings his mistakes into focus - football management is ruthless and the difference between success and failure can be very slight.

Tony Pulis wins my award for winner of the year for similar reasons, Stoke and Hull were odds on for relegation and to get Stoke into a mid-table position is hugely commendable.
 
How does Martin O'Neill always slip under the radar when Phil Brown gets the stick?
By Brian Reade 16/05/2009

I had an Ashley Cole moment the other day - almost turning my car into a tree after hearing words that made my eyes pop.

It wasn't my boss insulting me with a £55,000-a-week wage offer (I've already chinned him for that) but something even more incredible. A debate on national radio about whether Hull City should sack manager Phil Brown.

Now let me say that Phil (Brown by name, Brown by permatan) endears himself to me about as much as Government Minister Hazel Blears.

He looks as though he spends most match-day mornings working out if that hi-tech microphone round his gob clashes with his latest River Island shirt-tie-and-suit combo.

And I was chuffed that his laughable PR stunt, when he gave his team an on-pitch halftime rollicking at Manchester City because they were having a nightmare, backfired horrendously (he's taken only seven points since that Boxing Day defeat).

But how can someone who took Hull City, that's Hull City, into the Premier League, and kept them out of the relegation places until May, be considered a failure? Is it because he over-shot expectations early in the season and has done nothing to halt an embarrassing freefall since? If so, why is nobody savaging Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill. Come to think of it, why does O'Neill always escape criticism? How come at 57, he's won no more in English football than a League Cup, yet is universally hailed as a deepthinking genius, one of the greatest managers of his generation, and the natural successor to Alex Ferguson? In January when Villa were clear of Chelsea in third place, O'Neill was talking about the possibility of being title contenders, drawing parallels with his Nottingham Forest side of 1978. They were then seven points ahead of Arsenal. Now despite Arsenal's implosion, they are 10 points behind them.

Arsene Wenger, Rafa Benitez, Phil Scolari, Harry Redknapp, Joe Kinnear, Mark Hughes, Gareth Southgate, Gary Megson - even Alan Shearer - have all taken kickings this season for bad spells.

But O'Neill, who has won only one Premier League game since February 2 (a nervous 1-0 home win against Hull) has once again slipped under the radar.

It's not as though he's just taken over the reins like Shearer, and been saddled with a shower of donkeys.

This is his third full season at Villa Park. Last summer he spent £35million on seven players and in January bought England striker Emile Heskey.

There's been criticism from Villa fans who say he's unimaginative in the transfer market, picks key players out of position, and plays a long-ball counter-attacking game with no Plan B, which has worked well at away grounds but been tediously predictable at home.

The same fans who weren't happy at O'Neill throwing in the towel in Europe, and who must have been dismayed at his comments this week about playing in next year's Europa Cup.

"There are too many games," he whined, polishing the stick of his white flag six months in advance. Where does that attitude leave him, negotiation-wise, when Gareth Barry (and possibly Ashley Young) tell him in a few weeks that there's no substitute for playing in the Champions League? More to the point where does it leave his season's work in relation to Phil Brown's? Both over-achieved early on, then ended up more or less where they were expected to.

But surely O'Neill's failure to exploit Arsene Wenger's worst season as an Arsenal manager has been a bigger failure, considering the size of Villa.

Had they won a Champions League place Barry would have stayed and other topclass players may have joined.

Instead he will leave and Arsenal, Manchester City, Spurs and Everton will get stronger. Meaning O'Neill's failure to prevent a freefall could harm Villa's progress dramatically at a crucial point in history.

Still, Villa fans can rest assured of one thing. Their manager will escape serious criticism. Well, he looks and sounds the part on the telly doesn't he? If only he had that tragic Phil Brown microphone and permatan, things might be different.
 
Another very entertaining article from Reade

'This bloke's a cunt, but look! I think this bloke's an even bigger one!'

Haha
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33594.msg869959#msg869959 date=1242674224]
Brown did show he had something, mainly an overinflated ego (much like his old boss). That directly caused the freefall they've been in.

And everyone thinks he's a bellend don't they ?
[/quote]My thing with Brown is how small time he is. Its the premier 'league' competition in the world watched by Millions the world over, and he dressed his team down on the pitch like it was hackney fucking marshes. Show some fucking sense that you belong Phil, because that was so fucking pathetically small time and amateur it was beyond laughable.
 
Brown's achievements throughout the first half of the season were outstanding and unprecedented, nobody could take that away from him. But to lose it in such a way; to crush the team spirit? To cause them to lose faith? To free-fall down the league with no fight, no character to the point where relegation now looks very likely?

Embarrassing. Given the position they were in a chimp could've kept them in the league.

Loser
 
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