Aye and Feye before that.
Trent’s new position
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They either seem to be massive hits or terrible misses.
Anthony Klaassen Van de Beek Ziyech Blind - terrible misses.
Spurs have had a lot of those massive hits with the 3 you mentioned.
Also, how did you leave out a certain Lewi?
Bergkmap, Overmars.
The players I mentioned came directly from the Dutch league.
Lol true
So are the ones I mentioned?
Bergkamp was in Italy if I remember it correctly
Overmars in Barca
I left out Lewi...because Fabs already mentioned him
That's usually the routing isn't it lol.
Holland-England-Spain/Italy.....or sometimes it's just Holland to Spain/Italy
Especially where Arsenal are concerned, players go to Barca from Arsenal....not vice versa.
So pretty much like any player from anywhere?
No - not really, I read a few books by ex-managers, when it comes to Dutch players you have be a bit careful, they are extremely opinionated and can have bust-ups with managers. The in-fighting within the Dutch national teams of the past is well known. But players that go through the Ajax academy have a specific mind-set based on how they are trained from an early - age. What worries me about Grav, is that he seems to lack that intensity for a midfielder, - this is something that has probably Bayern picked up and if he plays under Klopp and that intensity is missing - he's fucked before he even signs.
It has, but the underlying issues were always there and it's a fair argument to say that he hasn't really improved defensively. Whether that's because when the system works it's negated the need to focus so much on improving his defending, but I can't help but feel there's been a bit of negligence either in not improving his defensive game, or failing to recognise the flaw earlier and move him further up field.
We did well despite this obviously, and Trent's game by and large along with Robbo's was crucial to our success and their individual performances and end product. But the concerns were always there, it's not history rewriting, and I do feel there's a sense of regret in that he didn't become a better all rounder who could adapt to different systems and things not always quite going so well. As soon as the defense fell apart he was one of the first to struggle, because without the protection he was hopelessly exposed. He's not the only one obviously, but if Klopp was aware of it, he hasn't seemed particularly quick to make alterations. He persevered and persevered with him last year despite him being horribly out of form and responsible for goals against pretty much every week.
But anyway, onwards and upwards, hopefully this new role continues and it works, because he's a player you build a side around, he's world class when the shackles are off and he's in form, he's as important to us (arguably) as everything that KDB is to City .
True.
But this is a stereotypical thing surrounding modern English football fans where the downside of a player is always magnified because every fanbase wants to compare a player (or a team) to this fictional "perfect player (or team)"
So taking Liverpool for example, people wanna use Fab's poor season last season to override everything he was to us before.......same with Hendo & Trent & so many others, even a new arrival like Nunez......people wanna use his "lack of a brain" or his "price tag" against him....Salah doesn't get the credit either, people would rather point out to the number of missed chances.
I think the only player that hasn't received criticism is Alisson.
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