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fucking hell - some of these german kids can absolutely fly ... the humidity is difficult for some of these players to adjust to in these games - they are tiring around the 75-80 mintue mark, making games far more wide open at the end.
 
3-2! last minute goal for Holland.

I can see why Chelsea are going after that young dutch midfielder (van guliekel?) -
 
Rosco said:
I wonder if anybody has mentioned him recently on here .....
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From Sociedad and has a young Alonso resemblance. Phill Ball was raving about him in an article in the beginning of the season.

 
This Spain team is a pisstake.
Montoya, De Gea, Tiago, Tello, Morata, Isco etc
That would fucking hammer the full England team.
Meanwhile our U21 has Connor Wickham and Jack Robinson in it.

Someone mentioned it earlier but the England team should include Walcott, Wilshere, Zaha, Oxlade, Ince etc
 
The % English players is a big issue, isn't it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22687663

The playing time of English under-21s in the Premier League has fallen to its lowest level.

English under-21s made up 2.28% of the total minutes played in 2012-13 with Manchester City, Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Wigan failing to field an English player under 21 all season.

The new figures fall behind Italy (2.38%), Spain (3.40%), Germany (6.22%) and France (7.32%).
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Of yesterday's starting XI, Germany had Bundesliga regulars in Leno, Herrmann, Jantschke, Rudy, Rode, Ginter and Sorg. Almost the entire Netherlands starting XI are regulars in the Dutch Eredivisie/Bundesliga (de Jong) - Ola John's probably the only exception, being a squad player at Benfica. Spain's one as we all know are littered with regulars/squad players from La Liga too (except Rodrigo, from Benfica) - Bartra the exception. Although the top flight football might no be comparable to EPL (probably only in the case of Dutch Eredivise and Portuguese Primeria Liga), the level is still higher than that of Championship, and the number of games they play aids in their development.

Some of the England U21 lads aren't even getting regular football at lower league clubs and have to make do with reserves team football.
 
Perhaps England would gain from offloading youngsters to some of the other European leagues in search for playing time and experience.

The Prem is so competitive that it's difficult especially for the less physical players to make an impact, let alone get playing time.
 
There is a lot of money in the English game, which makes it far more tempting and easy for clubs to go out and buy ready made talent (or in a lot of cases wasting it on shit English players). In other countries there are only a few teams that have that luxury - most don't. They buy players on the cheap from South America, develop young players or get cast offs from the bigger teams (e.g. Mata, Reina, Soldado).

That's one issue. The other big one that is simply going to take time is that young footballers don't get as good a deal in England as they do in other countries in terms of the number of qualified coaches available etc. It seems on the surface of things that the FA realize that things need to change but I'm guessing attitudes aren't going to change overnight. People are still looking for an easy scapegoat all the time. Unfortunately it's just going to take a lot of work by people who get it to turn things around.
 
Canales' injury nightmares continue...


Spain’s Under-21 squad looks to have lost Sergio Canales for the rest of the UEFA Under-21 Championship to injury.

The attacking midfielder was a second half substitute for La Rojita in their 1-0 win over Russia yesterday, but suffered an injury in the closing stages suspected to be a hamstring strain.

Initial tests have confirmed this fear and the player has now left the Under-21s’ training camp to return to Valencia, where he will undergo a more clinical ultrasound on the injury on Saturday.

The 22-year-old returned to playing action this midseason with Valencia, after recovering from a second consecutive knee ligament injury, but has suffered a number of minor muscle-related injuries since.

The latest of these was a hamstring strain picked up at the start of May.

UEFA regulations stipulate that Spain cannot replace Canales' place in the squad at the tournament.
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keniget said:
There is a lot of money in the English game, which makes it far more tempting and easy for clubs to go out and buy ready made talent (or in a lot of cases wasting it on shit English players). In other countries there are only a few teams that have that luxury - most don't. They buy players on the cheap from South America, develop young players or get cast offs from the bigger teams (e.g. Mata, Reina, Soldado).

That's one issue. The other big one that is simply going to take time is that young footballers don't get as good a deal in England as they do in other countries in terms of the number of qualified coaches available etc. It seems on the surface of things that the FA realize that things need to change but I'm guessing attitudes aren't going to change overnight. People are still looking for an easy scapegoat all the time. Unfortunately it's just going to take a lot of work by people who get it to turn things around.
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Article from yesterday's Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...2/Fulham-forced-look-abroad-sign-players.html


Fulham used five English players in the Premier League last season. Two of them — Matthew Briggs and David Stockdale — started five games between them, and defender Alex Smith played for one minute as a substitute.

Kieran Richardson and Steve Sidwell were the only Englishmen to reach double figures.

In two years at Craven Cottage, Dutch manager Martin Jol has signed only three English players: Richardson, 28, Dan Burn, 21, and Tom Donegan, 20.

Fulham have won the Barclays Under 18 Premier League for the last three years but the star striker is a 16-year-old Frenchman called Moussa Dembele.

Sportsmail also understands Jol has irked respected coaches at Fulham’s respected academy by showing little interest in bringing young players through to the first team.

It seems a shocking indictment of a very traditional club that boasts a statue of Johnny Haynes.

But the reason Fulham struggle to promote homegrown talent is a familiar one and the prohibitive cost of English footballers is the over-riding factor. Fulham enquired about Dwight Gayle, a 22-year-old striker who scored 13 goals for Peterborough on loan from Dagenham.

They were quoted ‘£5-10million’ and promptly walked away.

Fulham were also interested in signing Scott Sinclair from Swansea City but he went to Manchester City for £6.2m to earn £50,000 a week.

Last summer they looked at Jordan Rhodes, too, but the 23-year-old striker joined Blackburn Rovers for £8m. Fulham responded by bringing in the experienced Dimitar Berbatov for £5m and he was their player of the season.

‘When you are looking within the UK, the clubs price their players at ridiculous levels, plus their wage demands are too expensive,’ said a Fulham source. ‘But if you are looking at a player in Holland, for example, you can pay them a pretty average Premier League wage of around £20,000 a week and they are absolutely delighted.’

There are fears the Premier League’s new financial fair play rules could make the situation worse by encouraging clubs to try to extract even more money when they sell players because there will no longer be an unlimited pot of money with which to pay them.

The loan system, whereby only two players be signed from inside the top flight, also works against British talent. It is easier — and cheaper — to bring players in from abroad instead.

Fulham right back Sascha Riether, for example, excelled last season after joining on a season-long loan from Cologne on ‘relatively low’ wages before signing a permanent deal.

‘Everyone would love to have an English spine to their team,’ a Fulham source said, ‘but we want the best value — and that comes from abroad.

‘We would like more English players but not at inflated prices. Look at what Liverpool had to pay to sign Jordan Henderson and Andy Carroll (£35m). Fulham can’t compete with that.’
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keniget said:
There is a lot of money in the English game, which makes it far more tempting and easy for clubs to go out and buy ready made talent (or in a lot of cases wasting it on shit English players). In other countries there are only a few teams that have that luxury - most don't. They buy players on the cheap from South America, develop young players or get cast offs from the bigger teams (e.g. Mata, Reina, Soldado).

That's one issue. The other big one that is simply going to take time is that young footballers don't get as good a deal in England as they do in other countries in terms of the number of qualified coaches available etc. It seems on the surface of things that the FA realize that things need to change but I'm guessing attitudes aren't going to change overnight. People are still looking for an easy scapegoat all the time. Unfortunately it's just going to take a lot of work by people who get it to turn things around.
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Article from yesterday's Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...2/Fulham-forced-look-abroad-sign-players.html


Fulham used five English players in the Premier League last season. Two of them — Matthew Briggs and David Stockdale — started five games between them, and defender Alex Smith played for one minute as a substitute.

Kieran Richardson and Steve Sidwell were the only Englishmen to reach double figures.

In two years at Craven Cottage, Dutch manager Martin Jol has signed only three English players: Richardson, 28, Dan Burn, 21, and Tom Donegan, 20.

Fulham have won the Barclays Under 18 Premier League for the last three years but the star striker is a 16-year-old Frenchman called Moussa Dembele.

Sportsmail also understands Jol has irked respected coaches at Fulham’s respected academy by showing little interest in bringing young players through to the first team.

It seems a shocking indictment of a very traditional club that boasts a statue of Johnny Haynes.

But the reason Fulham struggle to promote homegrown talent is a familiar one and the prohibitive cost of English footballers is the over-riding factor. Fulham enquired about Dwight Gayle, a 22-year-old striker who scored 13 goals for Peterborough on loan from Dagenham.

They were quoted ‘£5-10million’ and promptly walked away.

Fulham were also interested in signing Scott Sinclair from Swansea City but he went to Manchester City for £6.2m to earn £50,000 a week.

Last summer they looked at Jordan Rhodes, too, but the 23-year-old striker joined Blackburn Rovers for £8m. Fulham responded by bringing in the experienced Dimitar Berbatov for £5m and he was their player of the season.

‘When you are looking within the UK, the clubs price their players at ridiculous levels, plus their wage demands are too expensive,’ said a Fulham source. ‘But if you are looking at a player in Holland, for example, you can pay them a pretty average Premier League wage of around £20,000 a week and they are absolutely delighted.’

There are fears the Premier League’s new financial fair play rules could make the situation worse by encouraging clubs to try to extract even more money when they sell players because there will no longer be an unlimited pot of money with which to pay them.

The loan system, whereby only two players be signed from inside the top flight, also works against British talent. It is easier — and cheaper — to bring players in from abroad instead.

Fulham right back Sascha Riether, for example, excelled last season after joining on a season-long loan from Cologne on ‘relatively low’ wages before signing a permanent deal.

‘Everyone would love to have an English spine to their team,’ a Fulham source said, ‘but we want the best value — and that comes from abroad.

‘We would like more English players but not at inflated prices. Look at what Liverpool had to pay to sign Jordan Henderson and Andy Carroll (£35m). Fulham can’t compete with that.’
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Team v Norway: Butland, Smith, Caulker, Dawson, Rose, Chalobah, Lowe, Henderson (c), Ince, Redmond, Zaha

Shelvey and Robinson are the LFC players who drop out. Henderson in the advanced role out of the midfield trio?
 
DHSC said:
England are pretty awful. No shape, no tactics, no plan.
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Quite. And yet again they rely on that Pearce trademark, blatant pushing in the box to score a goal, which of course was disallowed. And for all the new hype about Ince, if he was half the star he seems to think he is he should be scaring the shite out of these defenders, but so far he's done little.
 
HT 2-0.

Sammy Lee, Ant and Dec, Danny Dyer, John Bercow, Jimmy Clitheroe, your little England is taking one HELL of a beating!
 
DHSC said:
I have to say, I don't get the Zaha hype.
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He got results, but he often did it without actually trying to improve the players. There was no experimentation and very little blooding of new players.

But anyone is better than Pearce, and everyone can see it other than the FA
 
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