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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by PepeReina, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. PepeReina

    PepeReina SCM Follower Member

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    Any UFC fans about?

    British Fighter Ross Pearson just lost to Cole Miller got choked. :(

    Really fancied Ross to beat Cole
     
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    Yup. Fan here. Was at Shogun-Machida 2 in Montreal in May and considering going back to Montreal for GSP-Koschek if I can blag tickets.

    Caught the first couple fights while I was at the gym and am PVRing the rest (+ Ultimate Fighter after) to watch after housemates go to bed.
     
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    [quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=41902.msg1174950#msg1174950 date=1284602441]
    Yup. Fan here. Was at Shogun-Machida 2 in Montreal in May and considering going back to Montreal for GSP-Koschek if I can blag tickets.

    Caught the first couple fights while I was at the gym and am PVRing the rest (+ Ultimate Fighter after) to watch after housemates go to bed.
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    The first episode of TUF is not being shown here (UK) till next week. Suppose I could watch it online like last year but picture and sound quality lacks somewhat.

    I'm going to UFC 120 something I'm really looking forward to. Will be my first time watching live.
     
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    darkstarexodus Well-Known Member

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    It's totally different live. You obviously don't have the same view you would on TV but the atmosphere is great. Was a lot of fun.
     
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    What did you make of 119?
     
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    [quote author=PepeReina link=topic=41902.msg1183164#msg1183164 date=1285532955]
    What did you make of 119?
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    The prelims were better than the main card! There were some atrocious fights. Mir Crocop proved that CC doesn't have the fight anymore and is just going through the motions, as well as showing that it's a bit pointless to be a HW at his weight. He should either try to cut down, which because he doesn't appear that motivated, isn't going to happen, or retire.

    Serra v Lytle was another dumb one. I get that Serra has decided he'd like to stand and bang as they say, but when being outstruck, he just decides to keep it standing? It was more performance than a fight. You got the sense he thought it would be better for his career to spew a lot of blood than it would be for him to win the fight. What resulted was just a really sloppy boxing match where one good but not great striker dominated the other.

    Then, the decisions, some bad ones, though perhaps not by the faulty scoring system that is still used:

    Sherk over Dunham. I had Dunham winning this comfortably, but thought it a good fight, one of the only ones involving all the aspects of the sport.

    Then almost to underscore the point, I had Bader winning a close 29-28 but it was scored 30-27 for him, indicating that they are giving him rounds based on take downs that did absolutely no damage. This isn't judo. The scoring is clearly broken when things like that happen.
     
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    The scoring is something that has annoyed me ever since i got in to MMA.

    A good wrestler can take someone down and sit on him all fight without doing anything and get the win. If they take them down and then try and improve position or go for sub then fair enough but some fighters just sit.

    I was slightly disappointed with 119 myself tho I didn't think it would be much cop in the first place.

    Really looking forward to 120 chance to see the British guys again. Hopefully Hardy will get the job done.


    Who is everyone's top 5 MMA fighters.


    Mine

    1) Dan Hardy
    2) Cain Velasquez
    3) GSP
    4) Jose Aldo
    5) Rampage
     
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    What do you mean when you say top? You can't mean best, because you've got someone who has no chance at all of ever winning a belt at number 1, someone who is an up and comer at number two, and someone who easily beat number 1 at number 3.
     
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    [quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41902.msg1183566#msg1183566 date=1285604095]
    [quote author=PepeReina link=topic=41902.msg1183164#msg1183164 date=1285532955]
    What did you make of 119?
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    The prelims were better than the main card! There were some atrocious fights. Mir Crocop proved that CC doesn't have the fight anymore and is just going through the motions, as well as showing that it's a bit pointless to be a HW at his weight. He should either try to cut down, which because he doesn't appear that motivated, isn't going to happen, or retire.

    Serra v Lytle was another dumb one. I get that Serra has decided he'd like to stand and bang as they say, but when being outstruck, he just decides to keep it standing? It was more performance than a fight. You got the sense he thought it would be better for his career to spew a lot of blood than it would be for him to win the fight. What resulted was just a really sloppy boxing match where one good but not great striker dominated the other.

    Then, the decisions, some bad ones, though perhaps not by the faulty scoring system that is still used:

    Sherk over Dunham. I had Dunham winning this comfortably, but thought it a good fight, one of the only ones involving all the aspects of the sport.

    Then almost to underscore the point, I had Bader winning a close 29-28 but it was scored 30-27 for him, indicating that they are giving him rounds based on take downs that did absolutely no damage. This isn't judo. The scoring is clearly broken when things like that happen.

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    I didn't manage to watch the card but from what I've read and heard sounds like you're about right.

    Crocop is done. End of. His interviews are more pessimistic than Roy's at this point. And Mir still needs to learn to wrestle if he's going to beat anyone with any takedown defence. Or he can beat Chuck Kongos every few months.

    Most commentators had Dunham winning too. Although disappointing for him, I'm sure, sounds like this fight won't derail his title hopes in the future.

    Serra/Lytle sounds like it was at least a good show but clearly doesn't sound like Serra had his thinking cap on.

    I don't mind watching wrestlers do their thing but simply taking an opponent down should not count for much on the scorecard. If you shoot and get blocked three times in a round but get the takedown (but do no damage) on the fourth, why should you win the round (all other things being equal)? You either need to do damage, advance your position, or attempt submissions. Otherwise the other fighter should get as much credit when he gets to his feet as the wrestler does for the initial takedown. Controlling a static position on the ground shouldn't be worth shit.
     
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    [quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41902.msg1183753#msg1183753 date=1285650137]
    What do you mean when you say top? You can't mean best, because you've got someone who has no chance at all of ever winning a belt at number 1, someone who is an up and comer at number two, and someone who easily beat number 1 at number 3.


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    Sorry should have worded it better I was suppose to say favorite fighters.

    I would disagree with your comment about hardy having no chance of winning a title.

    His ground game is for ever improving, he's really difficult to submit because he wont tap and his stand up is as good has anyone's in the division that makes him a dangerous against anyone he fights. I speak with Dan now and then and I can insure you he's been doing some serious work with some top coaches on his take down defense and overall ground game. You might not get the chance to see it come 120 because that should be a stand up war but you'll see it before long I'm sure.

    It would have been easy for me to name 5 title holders has my favorite fighters but I cant stand some of them. Its entertainment I like fighters who entertain every time they enter the octagon regardless of weather they get the win or not.


    I see Paul Daley has just signed a contract with strike force the WW division is lacking somewhat in talent there, Wont be long before he's fighting for the title.
     
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    I actually like Dan a fair bit but I don't see anyone at welterweight who actually has the skills to beat GSP save for a fortunate piece of luck or a terrible performance from him. He's not invincible (no one is) but he's just about the closest thing to it. Not very many holes in his game, except perhaps entertainment factor lately.
     
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    Anyone who's able to keep the fight standing has a chance against GSP that's a huge task in its self mind.

    Josh Koscheck could cause him a few problems in there up and coming fight. I hate the guy but there is no doubting his talent has a fighter.

    Hardy v Condit could be fight of the year.
     
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    [quote author=PepeReina link=topic=41902.msg1184353#msg1184353 date=1285774110]
    Anyone who's able to keep the fight standing has a chance against GSP that's a huge task in its self mind.

    Josh Koscheck could cause him a few problems in there up and coming fight. I hate the guy but there is no doubting his talent has a fighter.

    Hardy v Condit could be fight of the year.
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    GSP is no slouch standing either, and is a better striker than Koscheck. That said, of course Koscheck has a chance, though I've never seen a more dominant fight than the first time he got beat by GSP, it was absolutely textbook, amazing.

    The issue for most British fighters is that there is a far better pedigree in boxing than there is in wrestling. Fighters like GSP who don't have a rich background in collegiate wrestling, but are still top notch due to subsequent training and natural athleticism are very rare. The majority of people are at a significant disadvantage in the UFC at present, and they'll never catch up to the ground game, no matter how long they train. This makes it very unlikely they'll win a title, ever.
     
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    GSP is no slouch standing either, and is a better striker than Koscheck. That said, of course Koscheck has a chance, though I've never seen a more dominant fight than the first time he got beat by GSP, it was absolutely textbook, amazing.

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    Agree. Since the first Serra fight he's tended to fight a smart gameplan and take opponents to the mat but he is definitely quite a good striker as well. He just knows that he is far superior as a grappler to most opponents that there is no need to risk standing. Which has led to an unfortunate decline in how fun he is to watch as a fighter.
     
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    Cant wait for 120.

    Anyone happen to know when the countdown show is being aired.


    Whats peoples thoughts on this seasons TUF so far?
     
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    Definitely been a better TUF season than last year's abortion. Still too early to really tell though.
     
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    Favourite fighters (generally):

    1. Anderson Silva
    2. Quinton Jackson
    3. Michael Bisping
    4. GSP
    5. Junior Dos Santos

    Favourite fighters due to their style of fighting:

    1. Fitch (j/k!). Erm, Fedor.
    2. JDS
    3. Shogun Rua
    4. BJ Penn
    5. Nick+Nate Diaz
     
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    I love watching the Diaz brothers. They're twits, of course, but are always excited fights. Too bad Nate has pillows for fists. Despite a couple exciting KOs, he generally lacks power.
     
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    That Lesnar fight shows once again how thin the competition is for real heavyweights.

    Brock has lost a little something in terms of his control, and was outclassed in every way by Cain.

    The big thing is though, he just doesn't look comfortable being hit, at all. He has no composure when hurt. He also had very little cardio for this fight. Carwin had no composure when hurting him and no cardio and gassed out. Cain didn't. I really think Lesnar is over as a force, but he'll still get as many fights as he wants.

    Plus, I took a whole lot of money from everyone watching at mine. Idiots.

    [​IMG]
     
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    [quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41902.msg1204364#msg1204364 date=1287894812]
    That Lesnar fight shows once again how thin the competition is for real heavyweights.

    Brock has lost a little something in terms of his control, and was outclassed in every way by Cain.

    The big thing is though, he just doesn't look comfortable being hit, at all. He has no composure when hurt. He also had very little cardio for this fight.
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    I'm not sure I'd say the competition is thin. Perhaps in UFC it is (about 5 top heavyweights). But there are some top heavyweights outside of the UFC.

    As for Brock, I wouldn't say it was a lack of composure necessarily. I think it's simply a lack of skill. When he gets rocked, he simply doesn't know what to do. He stumbles around the cage like a drunken sailor. He doesn't know how to pull guard, he's not used to being on the bottom. The guy is just really inexperienced in MMA.

    And like as you say, his biggest problem seem to stem from the fact that he's not comfortable getting hit. At all. Half of Cain's shots that rocked him where glancing shots. There was one sequence were Cain missed about 5-6 shots in a row, but Brock was already on his way down. He was found out against Carwin, but got lucky. Tonight, Cain just finished what Carwin started. That is, end the myth of Lesnar ("as one of the greats!" - Dana White, October 23rd 2010)
     

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