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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by LeTallecWiz, Aug 29, 2008.

  1. LeTallecWiz

    LeTallecWiz Administrator Administrator

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    Thought of this after the comment to Oncey re: Swann vs Stallworth.

    So, pick a sport and players who played similar positions, or were of 'similar status' in their respective leagues and we can debate who was better:

    I'll start with a doozy: Bird or Magic?
     
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    Magic of course. ;)
     
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    Senna v Schumacher.
     
  4. LeTallecWiz

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    [quote author=DHSC link=topic=26559.msg660823#msg660823 date=1220000613]
    Magic of course. ;)

    [/quote]

    and why?

    I think they both had fantastic supporting casts (McHale, Parrish, Ainge etc vs Kareem, Worthy) but I feel that Bird got far more out of his talent than Magic ... I think if I had to build a team, I'd take Magic b/c he's a point guard and you want a leader like that to build a team around.
     
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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=26559.msg660836#msg660836 date=1220001511]
    [quote author=DHSC link=topic=26559.msg660823#msg660823 date=1220000613]
    Magic of course. ;)

    [/quote]

    and why?

    I think they both had fantastic supporting casts (McHale, Parrish, Ainge etc vs Kareem, Worthy) but I feel that Bird got far more out of his talent than Magic ... I think if I had to build a team, I'd take Magic b/c he's a point guard and you want a leader like that to build a team around.
    [/quote]

    Because I'm looking through blue and gold tinted glasses. ;)

    Seriously though, I think Magic really transformed the Lakers into the Lakers that we know today. It's a close call between him and Bird but Magic could do almost anything right? I mean, a point guard who rebounds, scores and assists. He's a great leader to boot.
     
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    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=26559.msg660827#msg660827 date=1220000979]
    Senna v Schumacher.

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    Oooooooooh. Toughie. Schumacher. No Senna. Probably.

    It's always hard when one is a hateful cunt and also taking into account the dominance of Ferrari over Schumacher's reign. I'm inclined to go with Senna as I think he had to defeat a higher calibre of driver for large parts of his career. I don't think there is a comparable rivalry in Schumacher's career to that of Senna and Prost.

    In terms of success though, it's Schumacher without question. It would've been amazing to see them line up as team mates in the same era.
     
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    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=26559.msg660827#msg660827 date=1220000979]
    Senna v Schumacher.

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    Hmm. That's tough.

    I would go for Schumacher though, based on the fact that he single handedly made Ferrari relevant again.

    My answer might have been different if Senna's life wasn't cruelly taken away from him.
     
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    Federer vs Sampras
     
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    [quote author=Delinquent link=topic=26559.msg660840#msg660840 date=1220001866]
    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=26559.msg660827#msg660827 date=1220000979]
    Senna v Schumacher.

    [/quote]

    Oooooooooh. Toughie. Schumacher. No Senna. Probably.

    It's always hard when one is a hateful cunt and also taking into account the dominance of Ferrari over Schumacher's reign. I'm inclined to go with Senna as I think he had to defeat a higher calibre of driver for large parts of his career. I don't think there is a comparable rivalry in Schumacher's career to that of Senna and Prost.

    In terms of success though, it's Schumacher without question. It would've been amazing to see them line up as team mates in the same era. [/quote]

    I don't think so Del, both their egos wouldnt allow that. A 'dream' team in F1 is like Schumacher and Barrichello, i.e. the main man and the supporting teammate.

    It would have been great to see Schumacher vs Senna, Ferrari vs McLaren though.
     
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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=26559.msg660846#msg660846 date=1220002087]
    Federer vs Sampras
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    Sampras. He had to face much tougher opponents along the way. Federer just steamrolled past anyone, bar Nadal.

    Greztky vs Messiah vs Lemieux?
     
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    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=26559.msg660846#msg660846 date=1220002087]
    Federer vs Sampras
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    Sampras.
     
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    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=26559.msg660827#msg660827 date=1220000979]
    Senna v Schumacher.

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    This is such a hard question to answer. I loved Senna, i creid when he passed away. But in terms of success you have to pick Schumacher. Over one lap, no one could fucking touch Aryton. He was supremely talented. Both awesome in the wet too.

    Schumacher, just.
     
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    Maradonna v Zidane
     
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    [quote author=DHSC link=topic=26559.msg660850#msg660850 date=1220002232]

    Greztky vs Messiah vs Lemieux?
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    Lemieux.

    The most imposing player in NHL history - as gifted as Gretzky, who played for the greatest team not from Montreal, and bulit like an Ox, he was unplayable.

    Messier was the best leader the sport has ever seen.
     
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    Haha, my spelling's all over the place.

    You think we will ever talk of Crosby the same way we talk about those three?
     
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    [quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=26559.msg660853#msg660853 date=1220002424]
    Maradonna v Zidane
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    Maradona, best ever.
     
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    [quote author=DHSC link=topic=26559.msg660874#msg660874 date=1220004000]
    Haha, my spelling's all over the place.

    You think we will ever talk of Crosby the same way we talk about those three?
    [/quote]

    I don't think the NHL will ever see 160-200 pt totals again, it was a different league back then. BUT, the way Crosby is playing and how obviously good he is, he could very well be mentioned amongst those names (though Messier doesn't belong on that list imo, Howe does - and possibly Richard).
     
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    Brady vs Montana
     
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    [quote author=DHSC link=topic=26559.msg660848#msg660848 date=1220002135]
    [quote author=Delinquent link=topic=26559.msg660840#msg660840 date=1220001866]
    [quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=26559.msg660827#msg660827 date=1220000979]
    Senna v Schumacher.

    [/quote]

    Oooooooooh. Toughie. Schumacher. No Senna. Probably.

    It's always hard when one is a hateful cunt and also taking into account the dominance of Ferrari over Schumacher's reign. I'm inclined to go with Senna as I think he had to defeat a higher calibre of driver for large parts of his career. I don't think there is a comparable rivalry in Schumacher's career to that of Senna and Prost.

    In terms of success though, it's Schumacher without question. It would've been amazing to see them line up as team mates in the same era. [/quote]

    I don't think so Del, both their egos wouldnt allow that. A 'dream' team in F1 is like Schumacher and Barrichello, i.e. the main man and the supporting teammate.

    It would have been great to see Schumacher vs Senna, Ferrari vs McLaren though.
    [/quote]

    That's what was so heated about the early Senna-Prost rivalry though. That inter-team rivalry adds a touch of spice, as it pits personal pride and competition against team instructions. A bit like Hamilton and Alonso last year.
     
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    [quote author=DHSC link=topic=26559.msg660850#msg660850 date=1220002232]
    [quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=26559.msg660846#msg660846 date=1220002087]
    Federer vs Sampras
    [/quote]

    Sampras. He had to face much tougher opponents along the way. Federer just steamrolled past anyone, bar Nadal.

    Greztky vs Messiah vs Lemieux?
    [/quote]

    I think there may be an element of truth in that. Although I also think that Federer's genius has a way of making his opponents look extremely ordinary. Federer needs to find his game again and show that he can come back from adversity - then he'll be recognized as the greatest tennis player ever to walk the earth.

    In terms of ability though, I think he already is.
     

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