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Silver Sean

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5 years to get back in it. Out with barely a whimper while all the other English teams march on. I have a horrible feeling it could well be another 5 years until we're back in it.
Not a thread for handing out blame or slagging anyone off. Just a thread for those of us with a deepening sense of sadness at our failure.
What a terrible waste.
 
Am I right in saying that a draw away to Basel would have seen us qualify with just 6 points? Fuck me if thats the case then the entire team and management need shooting!
 
Totally agree @Silver Sean , we've gone out without putting up a fight until the last 15 mins of this most recent game. We went into the Ludo and first Basel game thinking they'd be strolls in the park instead of going out with a point to prove and trying to get in some big wins. I won't even watch the Europa League games - it means fuck all these days. The UEFA Cup used to have a good reputation and was considered a good trophy but I don't think it is at all these days.. Use it for the squad players and don't send out important first teamers on long flights. We need to fight to stay alive in the league.
 
This makes no logical sense, of course, but my sadness is that we didn't see the team of last year play in it this year. It's terrible to think that Kenny's team of Barnes, Beardo and Co didn't compete in Europe because they would have destroyed most of the opposition, and it's horrible now to think what last year's team might have done. The speed and the confidence of that team would have stunned many European teams. So it was cruel in a way that we qualified seeing as we then fell apart. I don't think many of us expected much back in 2004/05, so if we'd limped out early on then it wouldn't have been a great surprise, but after last season this was such a downer.
 
Yep, I was thoroughly dejected. I really wanted one more year of Suarez to have a go at the CL. Out with a whimper. What a waste.
 
I didn't take it as bad as I have in the past.
We hadn't a prayer of winning the fucking thing anyway
Seemingly it's supposed to attract the top stars too.
Think this summer proved that money is the ultimate defining factor.
Anyway next time we do qualify we better be prepared for it and not go in like a bunch of fucking amateurs again.
 
Leo said:
I didn't take it as bad as I have in the past.
We hadn't a prayer of winning the fucking thing anyway
Seemingly it's supposed to attract the top stars too.
Think this summer proved that money is the ultimate defining factor.
Anyway next time we do qualify we better be prepared for it and not go in like a bunch of fucking amateurs again.
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But when the fuck will that be?
 
Admittedly nobody knows, but there *is* ability in that squad and - barring the Chavs and Citeh - not that much top-class competition in the current Prem. I'm keeping the faith.
 
Why do people bother the fuck making predictions? People said we wouldn't challenge for X amount of years and then out the blue.... People said in 2005 that give us a few years and we might do well in the CL.

It's stupid, pointless and defeatist.
 
I echo's gkmacca's sentiment... I would have loved to have watched last years team in the CL. I really felt we could have made a big impression on the competition and been in without a shout of the semi-finals, and with a bit of magic and luck, we really could have won the damn thing.

But given the limp performances this season; being extremely lucky to beat Ludogorets, losing to Basil away, combined with our domestic performances - then it's just seemed inevitiable we would crash out. I'm glad we went out in a blaze of glory. If we had played like we did with ten men throughout the tournement then we would have progressed, but it was too little, too late from the players, who weren't helped by a manager who bottled it on the night.

I don't share the view it will take it 5 years to return. If Sturridge comes back fit and firing and we get our act together then we can do it this season. It doesn't look likely now, but a lot can change in a short space of time.
 
Yup, GK is spot on. I still cannot get the disappointment of last season out of the system, so so close. The most exciting footy ( even when we played badly which we did a lot more than you would think reading the forum now, Norwich away anyone) since the days of Barnes etc, this place was buzzing!! It was like beaming me back to my youth I couldn't wait for the weekend, the next game. At 54 I felt like a teenager again, my missus couldn't understand why I was pestering her for sex again!. Then the Chelsea game and then Suarez leaving, what a massive kick in the bollocks and if I think about it rationally it is embarrassing that it affected me so much. Couldn't really give a fuck about the world cup, it just past me by. And now at the end of a year that is so so different from the beginning it is just so depressing that this might just be what we have to live with for a while. Sad times
 
It seems to me that with all our managers since Houllier, and possibly even Roy Evans, the imcumbent's reign has started with optimism and some positive changes to the way things are done at the club, but after a few seasons degenerated into the situation where the manager is making stupid team selections and playing stupid tactics, refusing stubbornly to change what is obviously going wrong.

Tuesday night's performance suggests to me that Rodgers had entered the final desperate phase. For me it was a watershed. Previously I was optimistic about Rodgers, now I think he is on the slide.
 
That's quite a journey for him to have made in barely four months, Ports old chap. I just don't see it happening that quickly. There's no question that things need changing for the better and that the chief responsibility for that lies at his door, but I don't think we're even close to the endgame yet.
 
I just don't think a manager with a future would have selected such a negative team for a match we needed to win, Jules.
 
I'm kind of with Portly. My real gripe / sense of sadness is that our supposedly 'attack-minded' manager completely bottled it when we had a game to win.

That's sadder than not qualifying.
 
Portly said:
It seems to me that with all our managers since Houllier, and possibly even Roy Evans, the imcumbent's reign has started with optimism and some positive changes to the way things are done at the club, but after a few seasons degenerated into the situation where the manager is making stupid team selections and playing stupid tactics, refusing stubbornly to change what is obviously going wrong.

Tuesday night's performance suggests to me that Rodgers had entered the final desperate phase. For me it was a watershed. Previously I was optimistic about Rodgers, now I think he is on the slide.
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How is the season so far any different from the first half of the season after he replaced Kenny?

We are getting a similar amount of points from games and making similar unthreatening passes in midfield and defense and invite teams to press us.

It took the arrival of Sturridge and Coutinho to turn the tide and Suarez responded by upping his form.......sadly we didnt replace Suarez well and Sturridge is not playing. Its going to take time for him to adjust again but I have seen nothing to say he cant be the manager he was last season.
 
We would have been found out by top teams over two legs in the CL last season as well.
The team was not balanced.
We still conceded too much.
 
When Rodgers took the helm at Liverpool, he managed in a much more intelligent way than he is managing now. That starting line-up against Basel was just moronic. It has shaken my faith in him. Of course it's tougher without Suarez and Sturridge, but failing to make the best use of the players available to him is inexcusable.
 
mark1975 said:
Why do people bother the fuck making predictions? People said we wouldn't challenge for X amount of years and then out the blue.... People said in 2005 that give us a few years and we might do well in the CL.

It's stupid, pointless and defeatist.
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It's not necessarily defeatist, but being defeatist would have proven more accurate, over the last several years.
 
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