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Bascombe's take on this:

[article]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-world-class-player-untilclub-recruit-better/

Liverpool do not have a world-class player and until club recruit better their familiar cycle will not be broken


Jürgen Klopp was as angry as he has been with his Liverpool players during the interval against Hull City.

By the time he was leaving the KCOM Stadium, his side having suffered their fourth defeat in five games, he probably anticipated similar fury from those supporters witnessing the latest witless performance.

A few weeks ago, Klopp said he was surprised by the lack of rage when Liverpool were knocked out of the FA Cup. Instead, he encountered depression.

Now he understands. Much of the Anfield anger has long since been imported and exported out of the Mersey. What you have after days like this is far worse.

Call it despondency or resignation – a point where you have gone beyond indignation. It is an energy-sapping sense of familiarity where no matter how often you identify the same problems under successive managers and regimes, an enthusiastic new coach or owner will come along and tell you to keep banging your head against the same wall and eventually it will smash.

Liverpool are a great club with too few great footballers. That is it. It has been this way for 27 years. One day they will hold an Anfield strategy meeting where someone will recognise this as the key difference between the good seasons and the inconsistent ones and act accordingly.

To some, this week’s 1-1 draw with Chelsea was a sign of how little there is between Liverpool and the champions-in-waiting, when in truth it demonstrated the most important difference. Chelsea have three world-class players – Eden Hazard, Diego Costa and N’Golo Kanté. The rest are elevated by their brilliance.

Liverpool have no one close. They say Philippe Coutinho is world class, but he is not. Not yet. He might – yes might – yet reach that level, but he is no Hazard.

Herein lies the problem for Klopp and owners Fenway Sports Group as they continue down their development path. There is as much risk in waiting, believing or, worse, presuming emerging players will attain such a level as spending big on those who have already reached it.

What Klopp has is a team of support acts. They play very well sometimes but lack the consistency and mental strength to find answers against the basic, well-organised underdog football of Hull, Southampton, Swansea and even Plymouth. They have no world-class talent to drag them over the line on tough days.

Klopp can look for answers technically, tactically and psychologically for the next three months, but until Liverpool recruit better this cycle will not be broken.

“You cannot believe how many questions I ask myself, even when we win five or six nil,” insisted Klopp.

“When I get up tomorrow I will only be solution orientated. There are solutions, 100 per cent. Now we have to change it. Many teams have already made mistakes and changed things, for this you have to do the right things and I’m quite confident we can do the right things. We have to work on a solution and we will.”

Hull’s Marco Silva is an example of how far great coaching with limited resources and lower quality players can still take you.
He has done an extraordinary job organising his side, making them difficult to break down and even attacking in enough numbers to ensure this was not solely a rearguard action.

Simon Mignolet’s mistake gave them the platform through Alfred N’Diaye before the striker on loan from Everton, Oumar Niasse who is comically poor at leading the line summed up the absurdity of Liverpool’s defending by scurrying through for a second on 84 minute.

“I am not a miracle worker,” insisted Silva.

If Hull stay up given where they were when he took over, many of us will beg to differ.

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Our transfer activity under FSG, close to 0,5 billion £ and 53% of those players have been moved on again...

 
Liverpool owners FSG brag about 'transforming fans into customers' on website

Remember this?
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[article]The post, on the Fenway Sports Management website, celebrates Liverpool FC as "a storied franchise with a rich history dating back to 1892 when the Reds played its (sic) first match at its home, Anfield Stadium.

"LFC is one of the most well-known and respected clubs in all of sport," it continues, "and with more than 580 million fans spanning seven continents, LFC supporters 'Never Walk Alone'."
The item then links to a case study of the commercial benefits of Subway becoming Liverpool FC's 'Official Training Food'.

This website post comes in the same week as Liverpool's unveiling of a new matchday ticket price structure, which plans for the first-ever £1,000 season ticket and a £77 individual match ticket.[/article]
 
FSG's net spend over 6 and a half years isn't particularly impressive given the riches the premier league provides. But that doesn't mean that most of it hasn't been wasted on poor players because it has to a large extent.
I agree with much of that Bascombe article as we've all seen it time and time again. We are the biggest mugs going for getting our hopes up every time we have a few good results only to see it slip through our fingers.
I don't envy Klopps task of reinvigorating the players for the rest of the season as most of them seem to have given up and forgotten how well they played in the first three months of the season.
 
FSG are in it for the cash, simple as that, anyone who believes they're spiel is deluded.

The leaked (well, not actually leaked, as they were available to the public anyway) emails, whilst not telling most of us anything we didn't know, confirmed that once & for all.
 
Bascombe's article isn't telling us anything we didn't already know about FSG, or indeed the difference between genuine world class players like Costa, Hazard and Kante and what we have.

Those three cost over £100m. That's the amount we need to invest into the team. At the very least.

Of course, Chelsea - and indeed most clubs in the top half of the Premiership - already have a better keeper than us, and a better defence, so it's going to need more than £100m really.
 
Kante did well against Arsenal because that senile idiot Wenger thought it was a good idea to insult him before the match. Other than that, he just does his job for the team, it's a bit much to call him world class.

Unless you want to absolve Henderson of being a brainless fool, or absolve the coaching staff of being unable to teach simple things about football to even a single player over the last twenty years. Jay Spearing was their best effort. They deserve punishment, not being implicitly excused because you need to be a "world class player" to do that job. Even fucking Lucas was able to do that job for half a dozen games.
 
Kante did well against Arsenal because that senile idiot Wenger thought it was a good idea to insult him before the match. Other than that, he just does his job for the team, it's a bit much to call him world class.

Unless you want to absolve Henderson of being a brainless fool, or absolve the coaching staff of being unable to teach simple things about football to even a single player over the last twenty years. Jay Spearing was their best effort. They deserve punishment, not being implicitly excused because you need to be a "world class player" to do that job. Even fucking Lucas was able to do that job for half a dozen games.

I think you might be downplaying the role a bit, like any fucking twat can play DM at the top level.

We've had a few players who have performed at a very high level - with admittedly varying styles and responsibility - in a more deep-lying, holding, defensive midfield position:

Souness, Hamann, Whelan, Alonso, Mascherano.

No mugs in there
 
Kante is a worlds class defensive midfielder. No doubt.

He's also played for two Italian managers who spend their every waking hour telling him exactly what to do and how to defend on the pitch. And Kante just does it.
 
Chris Bascombe@_ChrisBascombe Feb 5


There are certain days when I really, really wish that job application to the NME had been successful 20 years ago.
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I think you might be downplaying the role a bit, like any fucking twat can play DM at the top level.

We've had a few players who have performed at a very high level - with admittedly varying styles and responsibility - in a more deep-lying, holding, defensive midfield position:

Souness, Hamann, Whelan, Alonso, Mascherano.

No mugs in there

Yes some players did more from that position than just defend, they had world class passing, goal threat, unnatural aggression, leadership, something extra than makes them world class and rare. Kante doesn't have any rare gift. He's considered rare purely because of a decline in the general population of competent footballers. Players now are too thick to play that role, too concerned about looking good, or else they're just being coached in a tactically clueless way.
 
Bascombe's article isn't telling us anything we didn't already know about FSG, or indeed the difference between genuine world class players like Costa, Hazard and Kante and what we have.

Those three cost over £100m. That's the amount we need to invest into the team. At the very least.

Of course, Chelsea - and indeed most clubs in the top half of the Premiership - already have a better keeper than us, and a better defence, so it's going to need more than £100m really.

I'm not sure that Costa, Hazard and Kante were world class players when they first came to this country. Neither were some of our most successful recent signings; Alonso, Torres, Suarez all became world class when playing for Liverpool though it helped that they had a couple of world class local players in the team. Our two priciest signings (Carroll and Benteke) were very disappointing. It's not about splashing cash but about getting the right players to suit the style of play you have in mind, something we've been getting wrong for years.
 
I'm not sure that Costa, Hazard and Kante were world class players when they first came to this country. Neither were some of our most successful recent signings; Alonso, Torres, Suarez all became world class when playing for Liverpool though it helped that they had a couple of world class local players in the team. Our two priciest signings (Carroll and Benteke) were very disappointing. It's not about splashing cash but about getting the right players to suit the style of play you have in mind, something we've been getting wrong for years.

Chelsea paid 100m to sign those three players

I don't care where they came from, that's the kind of investment we need to make sometimes
 
Chelsea paid 100m to sign those three players

I don't care where they came from, that's the kind of investment we need to make sometimes

We have made that kind of investment (Carroll and Benteke; £70m for two players), just that the investment was wasted.
 
We have made that kind of investment (Carroll and Benteke; £70m for two players), just that the investment was wasted.

There's a few years between those two and both were funded by the sale of our best striker for huge amounts of money
 
Hull was the angriest Klopp’s players have seen him since his arrival and is likely to be followed by a shake-up of his team. (Paul Joyce)

Jürgen Klopp tore into his players during half-time at Hull City and questioned their attitude as his patience finally snapped. (Paul Joyce)

Simon Mignolet is under pressure once again and Loris Karius is under consideration to come back into the starting line-up. (Paul Joyce)
 
I'd say it was frustration more than depression I feel. There is no doubt we lack world class players but we have more than enough to knock over the likes of Burnley, Bournemouth, Swansea, Wolves and Hull. For me this is an attitude and belief thing and I'm sure a manager with Klopp's pedigree can get a reaction. I'm not sure changing systems is going to do the trick but some soul searching from the senior players is needed.
 
Chelsea paid 100m to sign those three players

I don't care where they came from, that's the kind of investment we need to make sometimes

Except we tried to sign Costa, Aguero, Sanchez and didn't get them. It is not just the fee it is the wages too and from the outside it appears that we just don't pay enough to attract the top talent.
Am I right in believing even Dele Alli could have been signed if we offered a few more grand a week.
 
Except we tried to sign Costa, Aguero, Sanchez and didn't get them. It is not just the fee it is the wages too and from the outside it appears that we just don't pay enough to attract the top talent.
Am I right in believing even Dele Alli could have been signed if we offered a few more grand a week.

Its not all bad we missed out on some load of shite too because wouldn't go overboard on wages.

Remember when people were disgusted that Marveaux went to Newcastle ?

We didn't try to sign Aguero - we passed on him.
 
Its not all bad we missed out on some load of shite too because wouldn't go overboard on wages.

Remember when people were disgusted that Marveaux went to Newcastle ?

We didn't try to sign Aguero - we passed on him.

Really? I though we were outbid by Atletico.

And what a difference Sanchez would have made to Klopp's team. He's in the last year of his contract next season, offer him the 250k or whatever he wants if you ask me, he is the perfect fit for Klopp's set up
 
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