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Big Sir Jim's massive folly

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After we finish marvelling at the beautiful scene of financial and reputational ruin wrought by the Glazers and Sir Jim, we also need to have a conversation about Amorim and his uncanny ability to fall out with his star players, particularly attacking ones. It’s a repeating pattern:
Rashford - get rid, you cancer. Sancho - see you, woundn’t wanna be you. Anthony - bye-bye, amigo. Garnacho - don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Mainoo - you’re not the main man you think you’re, son. Amorim’s doghouse is so big and rapidly growing, I heard Pep Guardiola asked to move in.

Seriously, I’ve never seen a manager coming in and booting out pretty much a team’s entire attacking line out of the door in half a season - and sure, some of it is on the players and the overall rotten culture of the club, but this is getting ridiculous! Setting standards and refusing to be pushed around by player power is one thing, but he seems to have a much easier time burning bridges with his most talented players than building them. Either they have assembled the worst collection of overpaid inccorigible cunts in the history of football or Amorim himself is a cunt and a jealous one at that.

Either way, he’s a perfect Man United manager for this moment! 🙂
 
rurikbird said:
After we finish marvelling at the beautiful scene of financial and reputational ruin wrought by the Glazers and Sir Jim, we also need to have a conversation about Amorim and his uncanny ability to fall out with his star players, particularly attacking ones. It’s a repeating pattern:
Rashford - get rid, you cancer. Sancho - see you, woundn’t wanna be you. Anthony - bye-bye, amigo. Garnacho - don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Mainoo - you’re not the main man you think you’re, son. Amorim’s doghouse is so big and rapidly growing, I heard Pep Guardiola asked to move in.

Seriously, I’ve never seen a manager coming in and booting out pretty much a team’s entire attacking line out of the door in half a season - and sure, some of it is on the players and the overall rotten culture of the club, but this is getting ridiculous! Setting standards and refusing to be pushed around by player power is one thing, but he seems to have a much easier time burning bridges with his most talented players than building them. Either they have assembled the worst collection of overpaid inccorigible cunts in the history of football or Amorim himself is a cunt and a jealous one at that.

Either way, he’s a perfect Man United manager for this moment! 🙂
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Sancho as more Ten Hag wasn’t he?

Even Mourniho only usually falls out with one player at the start to show some sort of ruthless authority over the team.

I think he’s out of his depth at a top team - Portuguese Moyes.
 
i know nothing about amorim but it seems like he has arrived at the perfect time to be given carte blanche with that squad. their fans definitely believe there are rotten eggs throughout to be removed. the ownership are looking like they’re incapable of identifying the problems and are seemingly willing to let what might be a strong and competent manager hold the clubs leash.

carte blanche and a crippled budget, good combo

were they not supposed to appoint a director of football to avoid this mess and promote continuity? maybe one that lasts longer than 3 months?
 
rurikbird said:
After we finish marvelling at the beautiful scene of financial and reputational ruin wrought by the Glazers and Sir Jim, we also need to have a conversation about Amorim and his uncanny ability to fall out with his star players, particularly attacking ones. It’s a repeating pattern:
Rashford - get rid, you cancer. Sancho - see you, woundn’t wanna be you. Anthony - bye-bye, amigo. Garnacho - don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Mainoo - you’re not the main man you think you’re, son. Amorim’s doghouse is so big and rapidly growing, I heard Pep Guardiola asked to move in.

Seriously, I’ve never seen a manager coming in and booting out pretty much a team’s entire attacking line out of the door in half a season - and sure, some of it is on the players and the overall rotten culture of the club, but this is getting ridiculous! Setting standards and refusing to be pushed around by player power is one thing, but he seems to have a much easier time burning bridges with his most talented players than building them. Either they have assembled the worst collection of overpaid inccorigible cunts in the history of football or Amorim himself is a cunt and a jealous one at that.

Either way, he’s a perfect Man United manager for this moment! 🙂
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It's Option 1 IMO. The recruitment at that club has been a nuclear-powered disaster for a long time now and - though I'd love to be wrong about this - my own view is that they've needed someone to take a combine harvester to that squad, as Amorim is doing, for a good few years now. It'll get worse before it gets better, but without shock treatment they were never going to get better at all.
 
Judge Jules said:
It's Option 1 IMO. The recruitment at that club has been a nuclear-powered disaster for a long time now and - though I'd love to be wrong about this - my own view is that they've needed someone to take a combine harvester to that squad, as Amorim is doing, for a good few years now. It'll get worse before it gets better, but without shock treatment they were never going to get better at all.
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Happened at Arsenal too. Arteta convinced the club to pay out and release multiple players under contract as part of rapidly overhauling the culture.

No guarantee that it will work for United but it's a quicker route to turnaround than slow and steady. Their challenge will be compliance with PSR won't let them acquire high quality replacements quickly enough and so they'll need a few seasons and some good youth coming through.
 
The other serious issue for United is that they are no longer considered a desirable destination for top players. They are shopping at levels below.

No CL football for 2 seasons and odds on for 3, no Euro football at all in fact next season. Not going to challenge for Top 6 and unlikely to challenge for a cup.

Toxic environment, Amorim trying to play a system that simply isn't working, Radcliffe cutting staff and penny pinching left right and centre. The club in serious trouble trying to avoid breeching PSR. Fans in utter despair. No chance of a new stadium despite the pretty pictures.

The only way they can attract players is with a high salary and we know what type that attracts. More potential player conflict for Amorim.
It is really really difficult to see a way out for them at it stands.

It's just a beautiful sight to behold.
 
Frogfish said:
The other serious issue for United is that they are no longer considered a desirable destination for top players. They are shopping at levels below.

No CL football for 2 seasons and odds on for 3, no Euro football at all in fact next season. Not going to challenge for Top 6 and unlikely to challenge for a cup.

Toxic environment, Amorim trying to play a system that simply isn't working, Radcliffe cutting staff and penny pinching left right and centre. The club in serious trouble trying to avoid breeching PSR. Fans in utter despair. No chance of a new stadium despite the pretty pictures.

The only way they can attract players is with a high salary and we know what type that attracts. More potential player conflict for Amorim.
It is really really difficult to see a way out for them at it stands.

It's just a beautiful sight to behold.
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I wouldn't say not going to challenge for top 6. No European football may be a blessing for them, I remember it was for us the season after Hodgson left.

Agree it's a beautiful sight though. Almost back to the 80s kind of beautiful.
 
It took them a quarter-century to recover from losing Matt Busby. A similar post-Ferguson delay would take them to the late 2030s.

Here's hoping.
 
I see United's pursuit of Cunya mirroring our pursuit of Bowyer. The clubs in a mess, less money than rivals, taking a punt on a hot-headed (albeit talented) player. They've lost the right to shop at the top end of the market and now riskier moves will be needed to improve the club. They should be competing for Wirtz and here we are.

On some levels I still think they're sizably better off than we were under the worst of H&G, but it may yet get worse for them, and probably will. I just don't think their fanbase are militant enough to do anything significant about it. The best you get out of them is waving a yellow and green scarf around, whilst lining Glazers pockets.
 
The Nomad said:
I wouldn't say not going to challenge for top 6. No European football may be a blessing for them, I remember it was for us the season after Hodgson left.

Agree it's a beautiful sight though. Almost back to the 80s kind of beautiful.
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Even without European football you take a look at that squad and how they've performed this season and even with say 3 recruits it's hard to see them challenging anyone above Fulham. Top half at best I'd guess.
 
We were in a pretty strong position when we went for Bowyer tbf. The problem was that Houllier had just completely lost it after his illness and decided to have the worst transfer window in the history of the sport.
 
peterhague said:
We were in a pretty strong position when we went for Bowyer tbf. The problem was that Houllier had just completely lost it after his illness and decided to have the worst transfer window in the history of the sport.
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Don't know about that

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Hendo the saving grace

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As well as poulsen and konchesky
 
in fairness, if all those middling clubs can transform with good managers, and smart data purchases into top 10 clubs, (Brentford, Bmouth, Brighton, Villa, Forest etc) you'd think United can make it back.

But they keep overpaying for poor talent, like money is the way out, when data is the way forward.

With this kind of momentum, if Amorim doesn't turn it around in the Fall, I could see them actually getting relegated. It is a possibility.

They really need an Ancelotti - a manager who could turn ANYTHING around. Otherwise, I think this is too much of a project even for a brilliant young manager. Mind you, they'll still play the best game of their year v us, next season.
 
I've talked in the past about how Klopp changed us from being a springboard club to a destination club. We'd sign players like Firmino, promising and highly rated, but they'd only sign if they had a release clause allowing them to move on to a bigger club, but then when we renegotiated their deals, that clause would drop out because we'd become a place where players were happy to play out their peak years. And don't under-estimate how much of an impact the love from the terraces can be for some players - Roberto became Bobby, and he was cool with that.
United are a springboard club now, and they need to accept it. I'd be surprised if Cunha's agent isn't negotiating a release clause for the likes of Barca or Real. That's how they sign promising players now - they need to pay them well and allow them to leave if they prove themselves and a better offer comes along. The Red Bull model.
But they are still going to have to sell, and they're going to have to take their medicine for a few years and trade better. Cunha's a calculated gamble - a good player, a wild child. Maybe he settles, maybe he and Bruno end up hating each others' guts by Christmas. They have to hope they can turn things around and keep the players they bring in that do the business.
But I don't think Amorim has the chops to be the guy who brings about that transformation. We were so lucky to have Klopp.
 
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