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Oliver Leach@SkyLeacho 16m
Me: can Luis #Suarez take part in Liverpool fc's merchandise campaign for new season? FIFA: No.

Oliver Leach@SkyLeacho 27m
.@FIFAcom also say if @LFC want to have their team photo at Anfield, Luis Suarez isn't allowed to be in it.

You can't make this shit up... And seriously, do FIFA really think they have any jurisdiction over Anfield? It's #LFC private property, this isn't America, we aren't a 'franchise'.
 
Fuck sake. Alright duncecap here you go:

'What I'm trying to say is that it's stupid to say that if Suarez had played all 38 games we would've won the league'

Your response to:

'We didnt win anything. Maybe if he had played 38 league games we would have'

I'll leave you to figure it out.

ok whatever mate, to me it looks like you're implying we'd have won if he had played all 38 games.

I'm bored now, and I couldn't really give a fuck at this stage any more.
 
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...azy-mixed-up-kid-not-a-bad-person-273535.html
Suarez is just another crazy mixed up kid, not a bad person

Friday, June 27, 2014
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By Dónal Óg Cusack
On Tuesday a fragile man broke in the industry we all support. He cracked in the pressure cooker we all built.
On my way into work every morning I pass a mural. Sometimes I pause and just gaze at it for a while. That’s why it is there. One of the inspirational figures painted onto the wall is Marie Curie, the first woman to win the Nobel Prize for Science. There is a quote from her too. Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.
I love that. The words apply in nearly all areas of life. We live in a world where trying to understand things has gone out of fashion. Trying to understand stuff takes a while. We like everything these days to be instant. The Luis Suarez jokes came instantly.
The one about his mother getting a job as a cleaner in a bus station in the capital and the whole family having to move 300 miles to live in Montevideo. Luis Suarez was seven and he was so traumatised he stayed behind with his granny for a month.
The cracker about his father walking out two years later and leaving a mother and seven sons to cope.
Or the kid having no boots and realising if he improved enough the club he played for as a kid would buy him boots. Or how his teenage girlfriend Sofia, who is now his wife, had to move with her family to Europe when he was 15. Suarez reacted like he did when he needed those boots. He played harder and harder till he got a move to Europe at the age of 19. His being depended on the boots, on Sofia.
Laugh? Far from it. Time after time Luis Suarez’s world got ripped apart and football put him back together. My favourite is the one I read about Suarez growing up in Uruguay in a culture where winning through knavery and roguery and a little deceit and foulness is a little bit sweeter. They call it Picardía. We call it being a cute hoor. There’s a thin line between being celebrated as a cute hoor and being convicted as something else. You learn that too late.
I think the Luis Suarez story is just desperately sad. I have no stones to throw at him. For a while now the Gaelic Players Association has been responding to the mental health needs of players. The We Wear More campaign (www.wewearmore.ie) which was launched recently is designed to emphasise a footballer or a hurler is more than just a footballer or a hurler. He wears more than county colours. He is a son, a brother, a nephew, a husband, a boyfriend, a student, a worker, etc. In one sense our members are fortunate that they generally maintain the support system around them while playing elite sport. They are close to family and friends and the club they grew up in.
On the other hand very few people understand the pressures they feel, or understand that being good at a sport and being celebrated for it doesn’t make you immune from other pressures and troubles. There is a fear for many players if they open up about that internal life people will say, oh yeah I’d love to have those troubles or just lighten up and enjoy it.
One thing we have learned in the GPA is it is wrong and dangerous to judge anybody without knowing their story. I look at a Luis Suarez or a Mario Balotelli and I read about them. Soccer has been their way out of isolation and poverty and fear. We give them money and expect them to cope.
Suarez arrived in Holland aged 19. He had the love of his life and he had his career but he didn’t have any of the equipment to cope. Keep winning and you can keep this life. Lose and you are in the ditch. That’s the way we feel when we are kids. That’s what abandonment does. That’s how it is for players on the edge of making it. More fear than understanding.
Suarez survived but he grew up with a distorted view of football. I really think he feels his happiness depends on it. You watch him play. Football isn’t just his job. It’s his dependency.
How many talented young players have been thrown away with stories which never get told. Gambling, drink problems, general behavioural problems. Good enough to play but not good enough to adapt. Kids who can’t cope get ditched early. There’s more talent at the door always. Suarez got through the filter. Too good to discard. Too screwed up to last.
Dressingrooms are strange places to grow up in. I’m not sure how you could grow adequately in the environments where Luis Suarez has spent his life. A poor Uruguayan kid. Then suddenly a rich Uruguayan kid thousands of miles from home. When he made that handball against Ghana in the last World Cup he got a red card and Ghana won a penalty to win the game. What serious dressingroom wouldn’t have encouraged a player to stick out a hand in the same circumstances. To take one for the team? Gyan missed the penalty. Suarez was in tears in the tunnel when the camera’s caught him shifting from despair to joy. He was the scapegoat one second, then the saviour who took one for the team. Uruguay won on penalties.
Afterwards people forgot Suarez had been punished under the rules. Ghana just didn’t cash in. Listen, how many of us list Thierry Henry’s handball down as one of the worst moments in World Cup history and Diego Maradona’s handball as one of the greatest? I watched that Henry incident in remote Zambia. The African next to me sitting on a crate supporting France didn’t see it the same way. Suarez was a hero or a villain depending on what colours you wore. Any wonder he didn’t come away with a clearer understanding of football’s morality code or how that code changes shape.
His abiding memory must have been that winning made everything ok again. In times of extreme stress it looks to me like he goes back to being a little kid on the street again. Biting and name calling. Being a cute hoor. It doesn’t matter if you win or lose it’s how you play the game? That’s not taught on the street or in dressingrooms underneath big stadiums. Winning equals reward. Losing for Suarez means everything he fears and doesn’t understand beginning to threaten him again.
He can score goals. That protects him. His dependency is football. His cartoon superpower is football. No matter what he does he is good enough to be sold on at a profit and somebody else will coddle him and use his talent for a while.
Just because he is rich doesn’t mean he isn’t being exploited. Just because Marilyn Monroe was rich doesn’t mean she wasn’t exploited. He needs to be helped not scapegoated and then serially sold on. At Liverpool last year Suarez did some work with the psychiatrist Steve Peters. I have read Peters’ book The Chimp Paradox and the man comes from a very interesting background of working with high-security prisoners. While he was in that environment at Anfield last season something changed in Suarez. When he started his season, later than everybody else because of his last suspension he was a changed player. His behaviour was excellent, his play was brilliant. He opened up as a family man.
In Brazil this week he was a South American player in the mad world of a South American World Cup. He was removed from that support structure which Brendan Rogers had put in place. Steve Peters was with the England team. The British media were back to taking pot shots at him. Not fully fit, playing badly on a Uruguayan team which was going out of the World Cup and being marked by a provocative Italian with whom he had history, Suarez flipped. Remember Zidane!
He went back to the old pathology. He bit somebody. In a stupid and obvious way.
At the end of the game against Italy he didn’t celebrate like he did against Ghana four years ago. He looked like an addict who was going to have to begin painful rehab all over again. It was desperately sad to see. Biting is an ugly thing to do, but nobody died. No bones were broken. Everybody else played on. The fuss was 100 times louder than when one professional player comes in high and premeditated with a tackle which could break a leg and end a career. That’s what it is like being Luis Suarez.
When it happened Suarez reverted helplessly to childhood, clutching his teeth, then saying his eye hurt, crying.
He has bigger problems than FIFA are qualified to deal with.
The lesson is that you can easily take young footballers out of the street and pay them big money. You can’t take the street out of all of them without a lot of love and hard work and concern for the human being not the player.
I think Luis Suarez is just another crazy mixed up kid. I don’t think he is a bad person. He has been saved by football and he has been exploited by it. His head, Marie Curie might say, is full of fears and not understanding. He has a psychological kink. Rather than nail him to the cross or sell him on for profit it would have been nice if FIFA had the wisdom to ask that he continue to work on understanding and on managing the way he reacts under stress.
The show trial was short and sweet. The punishment wasn’t as bad as the lynch mob were asking but it was still poorly thought out. I would like to have seen a good chunk of the bans suspended for two years pending ongoing work with counsellors and anger management. Instructions to take coaching badges. Instead the immediate debate was how much is he still worth.
It would be encouraging had they viewed this as a holistic problem and understood that Luis Suarez isn’t just the guy in the jersey. He is a human being whose development has been different to most people’s and whose work environment is extraordinarily pressurised at the best of times. He wears more. We have had beloved heroes whose sad dysfunction has been accommodated by the pro game as long as it suited. Imagine how we would hurt here if Paul McGrath, scarred by his own childhood, was thrown to the wolves the way Luis Suarez has been.
Liverpool Football Club need to stop permitting the impression to be given they are the real victims here. They did good work with Suarez last season. He got them to the Champions League. He has given them the financial means to replace him. To do that would be cruel. Liverpool always aspire to be more than a club. Prove it now. Forgive him, embrace him and keep working with him.
On Tuesday a fragile man just broke in the industry we all support as fans. He cracked in the pressure cooker we all built. We have created all this for our own entertainment. It’s our fun but it’s Luis Suarez’s existence. He clings onto the life he escaped to, in a wild and primal way. He cracked in the moment against Italy. Can we judge him till we have walked in his shoes? Can we deny that for the past year he has worked hard on himself. He fell back on impulse and hurt himself and his team and his family. He needs support and care, not stone throwers and lame jokes.
If I’d had the money I would have paid FIFA to skew their deliberations in the direction of decent human compassion and not a show trial. But it probably doesn’t work like that with FIFA does it?...
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yeah ..i was always pretty sure he'd push for a move if either Barca or Real showed interest . Anyone else and i was fairly confident he'd stay with us but he wants to go to one of them and probably even more so now as everyone had told him the british media are after him . Look out luis , they're behind you ...you bellend.
 
Agreed. Me too. And not becuase it was Celtic. Because he was representing us when he did it.

Now, that was "only" a spit. And "only" once.

This is the third time Suarez has bitten somebody. As disgusting as Diouf's incident was, this is far worse. And it's the third time.

He has now disgraced our club three times. And it will happen again.

Enough's enough. I don't understand why so few people feel this way...


Yep.
 
eh ..i don't know , diouf's act was towards a fan and that is surely crossing a different line than doing something to another player . I'd call it a draw but that 's just me .
 
[article]The first rule of The Pile is that there are no rules. There is also no code of honor, no professional etiquette, no regard for human decency.

"No, no, no," Raiders defensive lineman Tommy Kelly said. "There are no other rules other than, 'Get it!' However you get it, get it. If you have to bite him, bite him."

Former 49ers and Raiders linebacker Bill Romanowski was not the kind of guy you'd want to meet at the bottom of a dark pile. He was known as one of the dirtiest players of his day, drawing fines over the years for kicking Larry Centers in the head, spitting in J.J. Stokes' face and throwing a football at Bryan Cox's crotch.

So imagine what Romanowski did when shielded from view.

"I used to go to a pretty dark place, and there wasn't much that was off limits," Romanowski acknowledged. "I'm not proud of some of the things I did. But I just wanted to win so badly that I would do anything to get a piece of that ball and get it back."

In the January 1991 NFC Championship game between the 49ers and New York Giants, Romanowski was trying to pry the ball away from running back Dave Meggett. Let's allow Romanowski, now an analyst for Comcast SportsNet, to give the play-by-play: "I'm trying to rip the ball out of his hands and as I'm ripping, all I could get was a finger. I ripped as hard and as fast as I could and cracked his finger like a chicken bone."

That brazen, whatever-is-necessary attitude underscores an important fact about life on the bottom: The ball is changing possession, sometimes frequently. That helps explain the ritual dance that plays out on The Pile's fringes, when players from each team signal with equal certitude that the ball belongs to them.

They might be right, if only for a fleeting moment. As Patriots coach Bill Belichick said: "It's not who gets the ball. It's who comes out with it." New England tied with the 49ers, the New Orleans Saints and the Buffalo Bills this season for fewest fumbles allowed (five).

Getting to the prize is the easiest part.

"You don't need no skill level to fall on a ball," the Raiders' Kelly added. In fact, the true challenge is enduring the outrageous indignities that occur once you have the football. Explained Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell: "They're pulling. They're tugging. They're punching your gut. They're turning your neck."

"Guys do what they want to do," added Houston Texans running back Arian Foster. "I try to be as humane as possible when I play this game. Other people don't. You can't account for those."

Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers accused Seattle defensive end Darryl Tapp of giving him a chomp during the 2008 season.

"It felt like a bee sting," Rodgers said. "I was looking down and he was biting my arm, so I had to get his teeth off my shoulder."

When Rodgers went public a season later, Tapp denied it, sort of.

"I'm pretty sure it didn't happen -- pretty positive," he said.

But Tapp's tactics have nothing on defensive end Shaun Smith, who was accused not once but twice of grabbing a particularly sensitive region of an opponent last season in scrums. After he claimed his second victim, the 49ers' Anthony Davis, and received a $10,000 fine, Smith became known in cyberspace as The Genital Giant.

"He tried to feel me," Davis said. "That's weird, right?"[/article]

I look forward to the English press advocating lifetime bans for a dozen NFL players when they play in London this season. I expect no less than a full week of bluster. Nightly call-in shows. For someone must stand up and be heard and ensure that this barbarism is not tolerated in sport. Oh. You say the NFL has played in London before? How many games? And nothing? That's odd.

Really, Uruguay do sound like conspiracy theorists, but after the way Suarez was railroaded in the "negrito" case (unpopular opinion alert, I know), and the laughably over-the-top reaction to the bites, I completely see why they'd feel that way. I also understand why Suarez's people would want him the fuck outta England. If I were Suarez, I'd want out as well. Your tabloids wouldn't be so bad if it were just them. Somehow they bleed over into the mainstream and all us outsiders see is this cacophonous wall of rage and sensationalism, barking out of England, barking loudest, always attacking, always barking. Days later, after the damage is done, there are whispers of reason, intelligent discussion, fairness, nuance, empathy, context. Always days later. Always after the damage is done. Maybe it looks different to you all who live in the eye of the hurricane. How do you think Uruguay's felt the past few days? Is a tiny bite on the arm of an Italian man in Brazil worth the grief of a tiny nation? Honestly. (If your reaction is "well that's Suarez's fault, innit, he shouldn'ta done wot he did, biting is not done it just is not done," congratulations on being a simpleton, and feel free to continue sitting in the back of the class sketching dicks on your desk.)

This is a dude who wants to win games so badly that he will fucking bite another dude to gain an advantage! I want him on my team! I'll take eleven! I want all my players so insane with the desire to win, even more so if they're one of the most skilled footballers on the planet. I'm just a casual though. I pretty easily compartmentalize sports into a box labeled "entertainment" instead of the one labeled "a reflection of my beliefs, my values, my life, who I am as a person, and who I aspire to be." Would I feel differently if his actions were seen as an extension of my city? Would I be embarrassed? Well, that's a great question. Maybe, but from experience probably not. Winning and once-in-a-generation talent are powerful intoxicants. Kobe's a selfish cunt and probably a rapist, but those Lakers championship runs were pretty fun you guys. I'm not a Kobe fan. But it's the team I was born with. The two are separate to me, and one does not contaminate the other. Your mileage may vary.

I hope I did not offend anyone. If I may preemptively defend myself from a common refrain re: "you're biased, if he were on any other team you'd want him banned." You're absolutely fucking right! Only banned from the premiership though. If Suarez were on another team in the prem? Yep, lifetime ban, he's a danger to society and a poor role model for children, and we must keep him out of England. I also routinely hope Abromovich and the entire Chelsea squad are implicated in a child pornography ring and all receive lifetime bans. I also want ManU and City to receive lifetime bans for reasons which I have not thought of yet. This is why I understand other idiot fans calling for a lifetime ban. They're supposed to. The media is a different story. Or it should be. And also, to the Morality Police, who I do not think have read this far, especially Ryan, who's a decent poster so long as he sticks to football and player analysis and does not wade into areas in which his small-mindedness is exposed, trust me, holy shit, when he calls people morons I absolutely giggle at the irony, I thank you for reading my opinion. I realize it is not terribly important. I'm sorry that your Jesus' Apostles XI FC were relegated from the Celestial League this year. Do you have any transfers lined up? Do any meet your standards? By the way, what are your standards? I know a great midfielder, nice guy, role model, family man, once punched up a guy who wouldn't play Phil Collins, but hell, who wouldn't?
 
It's not about giving him a 'chance'

It's about keeping the World's best player. There's nothing about him that needs to change greatly.
 
Has anybody read Suarez comments about the incident?

@Marcotti: Suarez told FIFA he lost balance + fell into Chiellini, with his mouth hitting his shoulder, but NO BITE. http://t.co/JSS0Qk7cua

What.a.dick.
 
What is it that the British media has said exactly?

Tabloid media have condemned him and jumped on the Suarez to Barca story, while the TV journalists and pundits have largely gone to the extreme to suggest all kinds of sanctioning, mainly coming from ex-players with far from clean disciplinary records, ie Danny Mills the Leeds yard dog who'd sooner kick a player in the air than attempt a tackle, suggesting Suarez should be thrown in prison. Or John Hartson demonising him, the same John Hartson who booted Eyal Berkovic in the head in training. Ask Ryan about that last one though, apparently it's an embarrassing point to make.
 
It's more common in other sports I reckon. In basketball, you'll get elbowed, pinched... shit is just nasty.
 
Tabloid media have condemned him and jumped on the Suarez to Barca story, while the TV journalists and pundits have largely gone to the extreme to suggest all kinds of sanctioning, mainly coming from ex-players with far from clean disciplinary records, ie Danny Mills the Leeds yard dog who'd sooner kick a player in the air than attempt a tackle, suggesting Suarez should be thrown in prison. Or John Hartson demonising him, the same John Hartson who booted Eyal Berkovic in the head in training. Ask Ryan about that last one though, apparently it's an embarrassing point to make.


I think what Ryan is saying and what many of us are forgetting even I, is that he's a repeat offender.
 
I know, but pointing out the hypocrisy of idiots like Hartson, isn't the same as defending Suarez.

That's true as well.

I'm pretty pissed off with the likes of Barton, Shearer and Hartson coming out and crucifying him.
 
Has anybody read Suarez comments about the incident?

@Marcotti: Suarez told FIFA he lost balance + fell into Chiellini, with his mouth hitting his shoulder, but NO BITE. http://t.co/JSS0Qk7cua

What.a.dick.


Hahahahaha what are you on about, that's pure class by Suarez.

And I should point out, when he came to the UK he was honest and humble. After being punished, defamed and having our morals stuffed down his throat... his excuses sound more like Alan Shearer and John Terry by the day. Sums up the UK way quite nicely. He'll fit in quite nicely next season.
 
Hahahahaha what are you on about, that's pure class by Suarez.

And I should point out, when he came to the UK he was honest and humble. After being punished, defamed and having our morals stuffed down his throat... his excuses sound more like Alan Shearer and John Terry by the day. Sums up the UK way quite nicely. He'll fit in quite nicely next season.


No he wasn't. He's always 'honest and humble' until he gets found out, when apparently he's the victim of a media conspiracy that somehow - in his mad little brain - is not contradicted by his wife telling him much the same thing. Don't blame this on England. The blame's all on him, and if only the pathetic bunch of sycophants who make up his entourage would recognise this he might start to improve. He's no longer some street kid. He's a multi-millionaire, pampered beyond the imagination of most working people, and he's a married man and a father, and yet he's still reliant on his mum, his grandma, his father-in-law and god knows who else to excuse the inexcusable.
 
Tabloid media have condemned him and jumped on the Suarez to Barca story, while the TV journalists and pundits have largely gone to the extreme to suggest all kinds of sanctioning, mainly coming from ex-players with far from clean disciplinary records, ie Danny Mills the Leeds yard dog who'd sooner kick a player in the air than attempt a tackle, suggesting Suarez should be thrown in prison. Or John Hartson demonising him, the same John Hartson who booted Eyal Berkovic in the head in training. Ask Ryan about that last one though, apparently it's an embarrassing point to make.


Apologies, I wasn't clear. Tittle tattle in the press and tv at home is largely irrelevant in my opinion.

A better question is 'has the British media influenced FIFA's decision making, increasing the sanction on Luis Suarez'?

That seems to be what Uruguayans are insinuating. Personally I think they're overstating the British media's reach, if they have any reach at all.

I think they're just looking for a scapegoat in an attempt to deflect attention from Luis. In fact, I'm surprised the Uruguayan FA hasn't been taken to task for it's conduct.
 
No he wasn't. He's always 'honest and humble' until he gets found out, when apparently he's the victim of a media conspiracy that somehow - in his mad little brain - is not contradicted by his wife telling him much the same thing. Don't blame this on England. The blame's all on him, and if only the pathetic bunch of sycophants who make up his entourage would recognise this he might start to improve. He's no longer some street kid. He's a multi-millionaire, pampered beyond the imagination of most working people, and he's a married man and a father, and yet he's still reliant on his mum, his grandma, his father-in-law and god knows who else to excuse the inexcusable.

I didn't blame the incident on England. It's his reaction of trying to lie his way out of it that is completely English and comes from the FA and the media. He never tried to lie before, he explained what negro meant with Evra straight away, and he accepted and apologised for the previous bite straight away. In between those two incidents he never reduced himself to giving a disingenuous handshake for the benefit of the media, he didn't like Evra for good reason, and his reaction was again honest and true.


The ridiculous bans he was given have only taught him to lie his way out of trouble, as it's the only sensible option when faced with an "independent" disciplinary committee. If Suarez had the slightest bit of faith that he'd receive a fair punishment then he'd have been honest and apologised for the latest bite. But he's not insane and knows better this time so he took the only sensible course of action.
 
I didn't blame the incident on England. It's his reaction of trying to lie his way out of it that is completely English and comes from the FA and the media. He never tried to lie before, he explained what negro meant with Evra straight away, and he accepted and apologised for the previous bite straight away. In between those two incidents he never reduced himself to giving a disingenuous handshake for the benefit of the media, he didn't like Evra for good reason, and his reaction was again honest and true.

He only lied this time because he knew he'd repeated the action IN SPITE of all the help he'd been given since the last time. I suppose it was the evil English who hacked into the Dutch press to brand him a cannibal when he was at Ajax? This sad little man lies when he thinks it will help him, and is honest when he either thinks it will work in his favour or simply when he feels he has no choice. As for lying being some kind of exclusive English cultural thing, then: bollocks, and you know it. You're sounding like his uncle/cousin/agent/solicitor. An apologist. He has more than enough of those already.
 
I didn't blame the incident on England. It's his reaction of trying to lie his way out of it that is completely English and comes from the FA and the media. He never tried to lie before, he explained what negro meant with Evra straight away, and he accepted and apologised for the previous bite straight away. In between those two incidents he never reduced himself to giving a disingenuous handshake for the benefit of the media, he didn't like Evra for good reason, and his reaction was again honest and true.


The ridiculous bans he was given have only taught him to lie his way out of trouble, as it's the only sensible option when faced with an "independent" disciplinary committee. If Suarez had the slightest bit of faith that he'd receive a fair punishment then he'd have been honest and apologised for the latest bite. But he's not insane and knows better this time so he took the only sensible course of action.


You could argue that the "ridiculous bans" have been insufficient since he continues to do stupid stuff.

This insinuation that he is a victim isn't helping Luis, in fact it may reinforce his paranoia.

It seems obvious to me that he needs time to contemplate his future and seek the personal change he needs. He now has the time and the money to do himself a favour and deal with the issues he has.
 
He only lied this time because he knew he'd repeated the action IN SPITE of all the help he'd been given since the last time. I suppose it was the evil English who hacked into the Dutch press to brand him a cannibal when he was at Ajax? This sad little man lies when he thinks it will help him, and is honest when he either thinks it will work in his favour or simply when he feels he has no choice. As for lying being some kind of exclusive English cultural thing, then: bollocks, and you know it. You're sounding like his uncle/cousin/agent/solicitor. An apologist. He has more than enough of those already.

No, he lied because it was the only way he could avoid getting fucked with another ridiculous and disproportionate ban. The pictures speak for themselves, Suarez isn't stupid enough to think it would convince the people who helped him or anyone else. It was just his only shot at trying to shift the balance of probabilities as much in his favour as he could when it came to the hearing.

The Dutch press overreacted to the incident. The English have the opposite problem of trying to curb their palpable hatred, xenophobia and desire for blood. They underreacted in reality. There's a difference.
 
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