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Ched Evans cleared of rape at retrial

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I can't decide if i get why former partners were brought forward

Fine, they explain that she does forget stuff when shes had a drink...but we knew that anyway. As she doesn't remember the night in question

There will never be conclusive proof that a rape did/didn't occur because 1)the girl cant remember if she agreed to it, and 2) There's no guarantee that Evans could tell she wasnt in to it.

It could be rape, but the man be completely unaware. It might not be rape because the woman can't remember

Rapes a bit shit legally speaking init

It's difficult to form an opinion without all the facts. The website that Cheddar put up presented a very opposite side to the story (as you would expect), and there isn't a lot concrete about anything it would seem.

We might just have to sit back and wait for the Netflix documentary before we can make our minds up about this.
 
That evidence should only be heard if she relied upon her good character, for example by telling the jury she is a good person when under oath, only then you can introduce it for that specific purpose. Otherwise, the only evidence that should be heard is anything relevant to whether or not she was raped on the day in question.

I didn't know it was about her bouts of insomnia... But anyways, the whole thing is about consent and the balance of probabilities. If someone consents to something often then that changes the probability that they'd consent to it again. I'd say it's pretty damn unlikely (though hardly impossible) for someone who normally didn't have group sex to all of a sudden just get into it with strangers, but if they do it all the time then it's far more likely that they consented. How would that not be relevant? Given that she reckons she didn't remember anything. It's pretty much all there is to go on.
 
Surely only relevant if she'd consented to shagging two blokes she'd never met before. And, even then, it's barely relevant.
 
I used to have blank patches after a night out.

* Wonders if he's ever raped someone*

* Wonders if he's ever been raped*
 
It's quite rare to see someone so *entirely* shit at constructing straw man arguments, that they don't even qualify as arguments. Or resemble straw.

In some ways it's like watching an episode of Columbo, except this time the bumbling attempts at ineptitude and faux-innocent questioning are used to poorly mask an entirely mediocre mind that hasn't actually got the faintest idea what's going on
 
Have you ever met a footballer? Or dressed provocatively?
I've served Keith Gillespie drinks a few times when I was working in a bar in Belfast. I also was on the same flight as the Olympiakos team once.

I was dressed quite modestly on all occasions, your honour.
 
I've served Keith Gillespie drinks a few times when I was working in a bar in Belfast. I also was on the same flight as the Olympiakos team once.

I was dressed quite modestly on all occasions, your honour.

Not with those come hither eyes
 
Why would anyone make such an assumption?

His conviction was quashed, a retrial was ordered due to new evidence and a separate trial and new jury found him not guilty.
I'd say that's great news for the justice system and wonderful that an unfairly convicted man has been exonerated of a most heinous accusation.

I can't see much to be disappointed about, Oliver. Are you disappointed?
Rape is arguably the hardest crime to prove so being found innocent doesn't prove he is. I would imagine Olivers assumption is bang on the money.
 
I can't decide if i get why former partners were brought forward

Fine, they explain that she does forget stuff when shes had a drink...but we knew that anyway. As she doesn't remember the night in question

There will never be conclusive proof that a rape did/didn't occur because 1)the girl cant remember if she agreed to it, and 2) There's no guarantee that Evans could tell she wasnt in to it.

It could be rape, but the man be completely unaware. It might not be rape because the woman can't remember

Rapes a bit shit legally speaking init

Apparently it was a former partner and a partner following the incident that were brought forward.
 
This is interesting... The new evidence that they allowed... Quick tl:dr version... When Ched was originally nicked he said she thought she'd consented because she'd asked to be done doggy and shouted 'f*** me harder'. The two dudes who were allowed to give evidence said they banged her around the same time and that she had done the same thing.

Here's what some barrister thinks:

We now know that the principal nature of this fresh evidence was as follows:

A man, O, gave evidence that, two weeks after 29 May 2011, he had been out drinking with X, and had engaged in consensual sexual intercourse, during which she instructed him to penetrate her vaginally from behind, shouting, “f*** me harder”.
A second man, S, gave evidence that, on 28 May 2011, X had engaged him in a night of drunken sexual activity, in which she adopted the same sexual position and used words, “Go harder”.
Evans’ case at trial was that X had acted in the same way on the 29 May 2011, encouraging him to penetrate her “doggy style” and using the words “f*** me harder”. This, it was argued, demonstrated that she was consenting, and also supported the reasonableness of his belief that she was consenting.

One of the exceptions under section 41(3) allows for evidence of sexual history to be adduced, and questions asked of the complainant about it, where the evidence relates to the issue of consent, and is of sexual behaviour of the complainant which is “so similar to any sexual behaviour of the complainant which (according to evidence adduced or to be adduced by or on behalf of the accused) took place as part of the event which is the subject matter of the charge against the accused…that the similarity cannot reasonably be described as a coincidence”. In short, it is beyond coincidence, the defence argued in the Court of Appeal, that X would consensually engage in this specific type of sex act using these specific words on occasions around the time of 29 May, but that she was not consenting in the same circumstances on that date. This tends to show that, drunk though she was, she was sufficiently in control of her senses to give consent, and, furthermore, to give Evans the impression that she was consenting. This, the defence argued, is relevant to the jury’s assessment of whether she was consenting, and whether Evans reasonably believed that she was.

The Court of Appeal, having considered other case law, agreed that in these unusual circumstances the fresh evidence ought to be admitted, and that X should be questioned on what the new witnesses had to say. Now it may be (I haven’t had the time to properly apply my mind to it) that a forensic analysis of the Court of Appeal’s reasoning will reveal a flaw, or an inappropriate leap, or even a misinterpretation of previous binding authority. It may be that the Court’s application of the strict criteria for agreeing to admit fresh evidence was arguably not met. Such things are not unknown. The Court of Appeal sometimes fluffs up. But unless you’ve read the judgment, and have carried out the legal analysis and the research, you’re not able to say, are you? So, I urge you, stop spreading speculation which is not only misleading and removed from fact, but likely to deter victims from coming forward.

UPDATE: A special mention goes to comments this evening from End Violence Against Women: “We are very concerned at the precedent which might have been set in this case for allowing sexual history of complainants to be admissible evidence.” Allow me to help: The precedent that has been set is none. The Court of Appeal decision sets down no new application of law or principle, and section 41 continues to operate exactly as it did before, excluding the vast, vast majority of questions about previous sexual behaviour. But good job on needlessly terrifying the women you claim to support.
 
Apparently it was a former partner and a partner following the incident that were brought forward.

Wasn't one of them like 2 weeks after she was allegedly raped..

Now I'm not being funny or anything, most woman would be too traumatised at being raped or even thinking that's the case to go have sex so soon again. So I think bringing that witness to the dock kinda helped emphasise on Cheds side the type of person the 'alleged' victim actually is....
 
Wasn't one of them like 2 weeks after she was allegedly raped..

Now I'm not being funny or anything, most woman would be too traumatised at being raped or even thinking that's the case to go have sex so soon again. So I think bringing that witness to the dock kinda helped emphasise on Cheds side the type of person the 'alleged' victim actually is....

The fuck?

I think some reading up on trauma might be a good idea.
 
He's obviously a massive sleaze bag but that isn't illegal- He should never have been found guilty the first time round on the evidence presented then
 
Look it's simple a threesome is two girls and one (very lucky) boy. Any other combo is just asking for trouble
 
Wasn't one of them like 2 weeks after she was allegedly raped..

Now I'm not being funny or anything, most woman would be too traumatised at being raped or even thinking that's the case to go have sex so soon again. So I think bringing that witness to the dock kinda helped emphasise on Cheds side the type of person the 'alleged' victim actually is....
Youve worded that horrifically to be fair.
 
His g.f offering 50k reward for information and her dad saying he would pay (has cost 5 million in fees already) even if she broke up with ched. A dad paying to defend his cheating son in law seems all a bit strange
 
Youve worded that horrifically to be fair.
Yeh Maybe, but I think you may understand what I mean..

Ched has set out to paint a picture of this woman's reputation, having sex again weeks after the alleged incident with another complete stranger, kinda helped Ched paint that picture..

Still he is a Dickhead regardless
 
Yeh Maybe, but I think you may understand what I mean..

Ched has set out to paint a picture of this woman's reputation, having sex again weeks after the alleged incident with another complete stranger, kinda helped Ched paint that picture..

Still he is a Dickhead regardless

But remember - she never accused him of rape and has maintained that she has know recollection of anything that happened.

Didn't he admit he didn't speak to her before, during or after sex and he wasn't the one who took her back to the hotel room.

So who's idea was it that Evans "joined the party"?

Isn't this about her ability to consent to sex with someone she didn't go home with?

Evans argument seems to be that she wanted sex a certain way, as proven by other partners, so consent was implied.

Prosecution argument seems to be that she was incapable of giving consent - she didn't go to the hotel with evans, so at what point did she consent to him being there and how could she consent if she was so intoxicated she couldn't remember anything.
 
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