If its true its fcuking ridiculous:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/ital...ina-striker-adrian-mutu-forced-to-retire-from
http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/ital...ina-striker-adrian-mutu-forced-to-retire-from
Chelsea Force Mutu to Retire?
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I can't remember the circumstances surrounding how chelsea got rid of him, but surely that won't stand up in court. If they lost out on the transfer fee they paid for him because of his actions it was still their choice to get rid instead of stick by him. So surely they can have no complaints? Plus Roman probably made 17m before I got out of bed today.
Lee Hughes killed someone drink driving and he's still playing!
Lee Hughes killed someone drink driving and he's still playing!
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I can't remember the circumstances surrounding how chelsea got rid of him, but surely that won't stand up in court. If they lost out on the transfer fee they paid for him because of his actions it was still their choice to get rid instead of stick by him. So surely they can have no complaints? Plus Roman probably made 17m before I got out of bed today.
Lee Hughes killed someone drink driving and he's still playing!
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They've already won the court case.
I can't remember the circumstances surrounding how chelsea got rid of him, but surely that won't stand up in court. If they lost out on the transfer fee they paid for him because of his actions it was still their choice to get rid instead of stick by him. So surely they can have no complaints? Plus Roman probably made 17m before I got out of bed today.
Lee Hughes killed someone drink driving and he's still playing!
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They've already won the court case.
it is fucking ridiculous, Chelsea don't really have a leg to stad on yet they won the case. They made the choice to let him go so why they would get compensated for it is idiotic and for €17mil? utter stupidity. The man ruined his life at Chelsea, got caught being a taker of cocaine, got released by Chelsea who thought more of the 'bad publicity' rather than help the player through rehab, rebuilds his life in Italy thinking that period of his life is behind him and then BAM Chelsea want to ruin his life again for no reason, THE CUNTS.
Forget that it's Chelsea for a moment because that is obviously clouding some people's perspective.
Here's the Wikipedia history :
If you agree with Chelsea's moral stance (let's not bring Abromovich into this eh ?) which, considering the uproar at the time, in many ways their hand was forced, then it is also correct that compensation should be paid. The question is by whom. Juventus picked up a 30M player for virtually nothing (though I'm sure Mutu got a very hefty signing on fee considering there was no transfer fee) although proving any liability on Juventus' side would be fruitless.
It does seem OTT to end a player's career (maybe it's Mutu himself choosing to retire rather than pay the fine ? He's 30 yrs old now) but then again he must have done very well out of signing for Juventus. Maybe if he offered to pay Chelsea all of the signing on fee for Juventus then a settlement figure could be agreed. At the moment though it seems as though neither party is willing to concede an inch.
Here's the Wikipedia history :
If you agree with Chelsea's moral stance (let's not bring Abromovich into this eh ?) which, considering the uproar at the time, in many ways their hand was forced, then it is also correct that compensation should be paid. The question is by whom. Juventus picked up a 30M player for virtually nothing (though I'm sure Mutu got a very hefty signing on fee considering there was no transfer fee) although proving any liability on Juventus' side would be fruitless.
It does seem OTT to end a player's career (maybe it's Mutu himself choosing to retire rather than pay the fine ? He's 30 yrs old now) but then again he must have done very well out of signing for Juventus. Maybe if he offered to pay Chelsea all of the signing on fee for Juventus then a settlement figure could be agreed. At the moment though it seems as though neither party is willing to concede an inch.
F*ck it as Ryan says if you take coke as a pro footballer you deserve everything you get.
And he got his fucking ban from football in England (for taking a non-sports enhancement drug). Compensating Chelsea makes no sense, they didn't have to release him but they did, don't see with they even should get one euro, it's fucking dumb.
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And he got his fucking ban from football in England (for taking a non-sports enhancement drug). Compensating Chelsea makes no sense, they didn't have to release him but they did, don't see with they even should get one euro, it's fucking dumb.
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This is quite absurd.
3 times he's gone to court and failed. Chelsea are owed money, it's not their fault he was taking drugs. They're entitled to get whatever they like from the silly little cunt.
And he got his fucking ban from football in England (for taking a non-sports enhancement drug). Compensating Chelsea makes no sense, they didn't have to release him but they did, don't see with they even should get one euro, it's fucking dumb.
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This is quite absurd.
3 times he's gone to court and failed. Chelsea are owed money, it's not their fault he was taking drugs. They're entitled to get whatever they like from the silly little cunt.
Chelsea would never win this case in a court of law. The Court of Arbitration for Sports judgements don't hold much weight in the real world, the fine is virtually unenforceable in normal courts.
Hence why Chelsea are going down this road. They know Mutu doesn't really have to pay the fine, but hope this will pressurise him into it.
That said how do they expect him to pay if he's not playing football ?
The fine itself is absolutely ridiculous, and I'll bet the reasoning behind it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.
Hence why Chelsea are going down this road. They know Mutu doesn't really have to pay the fine, but hope this will pressurise him into it.
That said how do they expect him to pay if he's not playing football ?
The fine itself is absolutely ridiculous, and I'll bet the reasoning behind it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.
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And he got his fucking ban from football in England (for taking a non-sports enhancement drug). Compensating Chelsea makes no sense, they didn't have to release him but they did, don't see with they even should get one euro, it's fucking dumb.
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This is quite absurd.
3 times he's gone to court and failed. Chelsea are owed money, it's not their fault he was taking drugs. They're entitled to get whatever they like from the silly little cunt.
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He deserves a hefty fine. But I am not sure if he deserves that heavy of a fine. From the wikipedia entry it looks like he is being asked to pay a fine to compensate for the transfer fee. But it is not his fault that Chelsea paid so much for him, is it.
He should return of all his wages to Chelsea and he should be made to pay an extra fine to compensate for the loss of performance. But asking him to pay a fine to compensate for the transfer fee is a tad bit unfair.
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And he got his fucking ban from football in England (for taking a non-sports enhancement drug). Compensating Chelsea makes no sense, they didn't have to release him but they did, don't see with they even should get one euro, it's fucking dumb.
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This is quite absurd.
3 times he's gone to court and failed. Chelsea are owed money, it's not their fault he was taking drugs. They're entitled to get whatever they like from the silly little cunt.
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He deserves a hefty fine. But I am not sure if he deserves that heavy of a fine. From the wikipedia entry it looks like he is being asked to pay a fine to compensate for the transfer fee. But it is not his fault that Chelsea paid so much for him, is it.
He should return of all his wages to Chelsea and he should be made to pay an extra fine to compensate for the loss of performance. But asking him to pay a fine to compensate for the transfer fee is a tad bit unfair.
Chelsea tried to sue him for the wages they were due to pay him, but hadn't as well.
Most courts try to ensure that the plaintiff has tried to mitigate their losses, and base the amount of damages on the mitigated loss.
Chelsea immediately terminated his contract, so they gave up any chance of ever mitigating the loss. Yet still were awarded most of the transfer fee back.
Most courts try to ensure that the plaintiff has tried to mitigate their losses, and base the amount of damages on the mitigated loss.
Chelsea immediately terminated his contract, so they gave up any chance of ever mitigating the loss. Yet still were awarded most of the transfer fee back.
Let's be clear here, this isn't the first time Chelsea have sacked a player for taking coke - they also sacked Bosnitch for exactly the same reason (in September 2002 when he failed a drugs test and was subsequently sacked by Chelsea and banned from football for nine months - the longest suspension given to a player in English football to date). However as far as I am aware Bosnitch didn't then go off and demand a big signing on fee from Juventus or anyone else. He retired and came out of retirement 3 years later.
IMO this is why Chelsea took the action they did - Mutu committed a jailable offence (as far as I am aware - the law changes so often in regard to drugs that this may not be the case anymore) and benefited from it. Chelsea paid 30M Euros for him and Juve picked him up for nothing but a big signing on fee. No matter what the scenario now re. Mutu's career that is also clearly not right.
IMO this is why Chelsea took the action they did - Mutu committed a jailable offence (as far as I am aware - the law changes so often in regard to drugs that this may not be the case anymore) and benefited from it. Chelsea paid 30M Euros for him and Juve picked him up for nothing but a big signing on fee. No matter what the scenario now re. Mutu's career that is also clearly not right.
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Chelsea tried to sue him for the wages they were due to pay him, but hadn't as well.
Most courts try to ensure that the plaintiff has tried to mitigate their losses, and base the amount of damages on the mitigated loss.
Chelsea immediately terminated his contract, so they gave up any chance of ever mitigating the loss. Yet still were awarded most of the transfer fee back.
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Most of the transfer fee ? They paid €30M for him and were awarded €12 million - that isn't even close to most. The rest to date is interest I assume.
Chelsea tried to sue him for the wages they were due to pay him, but hadn't as well.
Most courts try to ensure that the plaintiff has tried to mitigate their losses, and base the amount of damages on the mitigated loss.
Chelsea immediately terminated his contract, so they gave up any chance of ever mitigating the loss. Yet still were awarded most of the transfer fee back.
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Most of the transfer fee ? They paid €30M for him and were awarded €12 million - that isn't even close to most. The rest to date is interest I assume.
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Would Chelsea have done the same if it was Terry or Fat Frank? They have set a president now that they will have to act in the future.
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As I mentioned above after your post - they had done it before to Bosnitch who was lower profile at that time. However they paid €30M for Mutu and he was a high profile player at that time. IMO they have acted on the precedent they set themselves.
Would Chelsea have done the same if it was Terry or Fat Frank? They have set a president now that they will have to act in the future.
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As I mentioned above after your post - they had done it before to Bosnitch who was lower profile at that time. However they paid €30M for Mutu and he was a high profile player at that time. IMO they have acted on the precedent they set themselves.
They gave him the sack, and stopped his payments... His value when they bought him is none of any interest. I can not believe his rights as a worker is being taken care of here. I cant believe his human rights are being protected. Chelsea are operating in a rotten market, and they are one of the clubs setting the premises in this business. They can fuck off and take the loss on their own account!
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They gave him the sack, and stopped his payments... His value when they bought him is none of any interest. I can not believe his rights as a worker is being taken care of here. I cant believe his human rights are being protected. Chelsea are operating in a rotten market, and they are one of the clubs setting the premises in this business. They can fuck off and take the loss on their own account!
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His rights ? How about the big pay day he & his scum agent picked up from Juventus ?
They gave him the sack, and stopped his payments... His value when they bought him is none of any interest. I can not believe his rights as a worker is being taken care of here. I cant believe his human rights are being protected. Chelsea are operating in a rotten market, and they are one of the clubs setting the premises in this business. They can fuck off and take the loss on their own account!
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His rights ? How about the big pay day he & his scum agent picked up from Juventus ?
Mutu was a good player, I do not see how or why he should be liable for the fee Chelsea paid for him, he did not decide his transfer fee. If your employee is caught doing drugs ( and he will definitely not be the first there) to sack him and then charge him for all the money you paid is ridiculous IMO.
They should have allowed him some "rehab" or whatever and disciplined him, to sack him and then say because of you we lost money is ridiculous, Chelsea chose to lose the money they chose to sack him and lose their investment. He must have had a truly shit lawyer.
They should have allowed him some "rehab" or whatever and disciplined him, to sack him and then say because of you we lost money is ridiculous, Chelsea chose to lose the money they chose to sack him and lose their investment. He must have had a truly shit lawyer.
I think the money awarded to Chelsea is way over the top. I don't think getting caught doing drugs should mean you're forced to either start from scratch or give up your career. The punishment is disproportionate to the crime.
Chelsea could've opted to work with Mutu and force him to go into rehab or something. They could've fined him and then sold him on in order to recoup some of the money. They chose to sack him.
Chelsea could've opted to work with Mutu and force him to go into rehab or something. They could've fined him and then sold him on in order to recoup some of the money. They chose to sack him.
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=35582.msg936092#msg936092 date=1251792136]
They gave him the sack, and stopped his payments... His value when they bought him is none of any interest. I can not believe his rights as a worker is being taken care of here. I cant believe his human rights are being protected. Chelsea are operating in a rotten market, and they are one of the clubs setting the premises in this business. They can fuck off and take the loss on their own account!
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His rights ? How about the big pay day he & his scum agent picked up from Juventus ?
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That was his rights. Chelsea sacked him. Why should he owe Chelsea money if they decided to sack him? It is just as absurd that Scolari should owe them money for not winning enough games to keep him in the job...
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=35582.msg936092#msg936092 date=1251792136]
They gave him the sack, and stopped his payments... His value when they bought him is none of any interest. I can not believe his rights as a worker is being taken care of here. I cant believe his human rights are being protected. Chelsea are operating in a rotten market, and they are one of the clubs setting the premises in this business. They can fuck off and take the loss on their own account!
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His rights ? How about the big pay day he & his scum agent picked up from Juventus ?
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That was his rights. Chelsea sacked him. Why should he owe Chelsea money if they decided to sack him? It is just as absurd that Scolari should owe them money for not winning enough games to keep him in the job...
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I think the money awarded to Chelsea is way over the top. I don't think getting caught doing drugs should mean you're forced to either start from scratch or give up your career. The punishment is disproportionate to the crime.
Chelsea could've opted to work with Mutu and force him to go into rehab or something. They could've fined him and then sold him on in order to recoup some of the money. They chose to sack him.
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Correctamundo Ken. They could have got some of their money back somehow. What they have done is frankly absurd. Had they not had Abramovich, they almost certainly would have handled it differently through neccesity. It was their choice, not his.
I think the money awarded to Chelsea is way over the top. I don't think getting caught doing drugs should mean you're forced to either start from scratch or give up your career. The punishment is disproportionate to the crime.
Chelsea could've opted to work with Mutu and force him to go into rehab or something. They could've fined him and then sold him on in order to recoup some of the money. They chose to sack him.
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Correctamundo Ken. They could have got some of their money back somehow. What they have done is frankly absurd. Had they not had Abramovich, they almost certainly would have handled it differently through neccesity. It was their choice, not his.
Fuck Mutu, he deserves it.
I didn't see him weeping upon signing his 70k a week contract.
These are professional footballers who have an obligation to the club and to the fans. They get paid massive amounts of money and live lives that most can only dream of.
If they coke / drug it up, they risk the wrath of both sides of the law. Fuck them.
I didn't see him weeping upon signing his 70k a week contract.
These are professional footballers who have an obligation to the club and to the fans. They get paid massive amounts of money and live lives that most can only dream of.
If they coke / drug it up, they risk the wrath of both sides of the law. Fuck them.
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