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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

It’s party because the same link to some CDC report that Ross posted has just appeared on my Facebook feed from a person I know that I could best describe as an “off the charts conspiracy theorist”.

Apparently it’s all Bill Gates fault again.

The greatest scientific discoveries in history emanated from off the charts conspiracy theorising blasphemers. You only need one out of a million of them to make the breakthrough. Shut them down at your peril.
 
See - I think that’s you value signalling around feelings while covering for globalists that you like making money.

As far as I recall - DSE’s reality is a little different - hence why I’m asking - because I don’t know the details.

Not exactly. My feelings were entertained at your defection. Then the instant disappointment left a void, which I filled by making an entertaining assumptions about @darkstarexodus being responsible for killing people in exchange for profit. In reality, the poor bastard is at the bottom of the health sector food chain, pharmacists have been the ones most shit upon, worked like dogs, and so on for hardly any reward. So it would be fair play to him if he is looking out for himself. It's what I'd do in his place.
 
I’d be really interested to know what @dantes actually does for a living too.

I know what, Ross does, so he’s no expert in medicine, that’s for sure. I’m certainly not - my area of expertise, such as it is, is wine.

(This post is proudly sponsored by Tallis “The Silent Showman” Dookie Hills (Central Victoria) Shiraz Viognier 2018).
 
The greatest scientific discoveries in history emanated from off the charts conspiracy theorising blasphemers. You only need one out of a million of them to make the breakthrough. Shut them down at your peril.

So you’re endorsing flat earthers again?
 
I’d be really interested to know what @dantes actually does for a living too.

I know what, Ross does, so he’s no expert in medicine, that’s for sure. I’m certainly not - my area of expertise, such as it is, is wine.

(This post is proudly sponsored by Tallis “The Silent Showman” Dookie Hills (Central Victoria) Shiraz Viognier 2018).

I tell manufacturing companies what equipment they should buy. Or if they already bought it before asking me, I tell them how to fix that equipment. You can't use equations to predict these things because it's too complicated, so you have to use arrays of numbers, and then pick up and drop bits of a number in one array and put it into another array, to replicate how the equipment picked up bits of material and deposited it somewhere else. You can't use equations to predict financial asset prices either because it's too complicated....
 
So you’re endorsing flat earthers again?

They make a better case for a flat earth than fauci does for covid. Far better, in spite of the earth not even being flat. If I had a hard problem to solve, and those were my two choices, I'd delegate it to the loons any day of the week.
 
I tell manufacturing companies what equipment they should buy. Or if they already bought it before asking me, I tell them how to fix that equipment. You can't use equations to predict these things because it's too complicated, so you have to use arrays of numbers, and then pick up and drop bits of a number in one array and put it into another array, to replicate how the equipment picked up bits of material and deposited it somewhere else. You can't use equations to predict financial asset prices either because it's too complicated....

Right - that sounds like our “Better buying” department - that’s full of “really smart” people that are “data driven”.

One day we hope they’ll come up with something meaningful - they’re second only to Marketing in “buzzwords” and “concepts”.
 
Right - that sounds like our “Better buying” department - that’s full of “really smart” people that are “data driven”.

One day we hope they’ll come up with something meaningful - they’re second only to Marketing in “buzzwords” and “concepts”.


Origi and Messi are both really good footballers from a laymen's point of view as well.
 
Origi and Messi are both really good footballers from a laymen's point of view as well.

Messi is.

If you’re trying to tell me Origi is a “really good footballer” then that tells me everything I need to know... you spoofer.
 
Messi is.

If you’re trying to tell me Origi is a “really good footballer” then that tells me everything I need to know... you spoofer.

You dare speak ill of him? You dare? Origi is comfortably in the top 1% of people on this earth to have kicked a football. The point is that Messi is in the top 1. No comparison. Likewise your data driven friends are in the top 1% of people who have ever counted numbers, but I am in the top 1.
 
You dare speak ill of him? You dare? Origi is comfortably in the top 1% of people on this earth to have kicked a football. The point is that Messi is in the top 1. No comparison. Likewise your data driven friends are in the top 1% of people who have ever counted numbers, but I am in the top 1.

So... to summarise... you’re spoofing and have nothing valuable to add.

Lies... damned lies... and statistics.
 
So... to summarise... you’re spoofing and have nothing valuable to add.

Lies... damned lies... and statistics.

There is this thing called science, nowt to do with statistics, it's a different thing that can be done, and it never lies.
 
There is this thing called science, nowt to do with statistics, it's a different thing that can be done, and it never lies.

I will await your science on Origi.

I’d like you to apply it to Robbie Keane as well.

This might have far reaching consequences.

For clarity - Robbie - not Roy... we don’t need Dreamie in here.
 
I will await your science on Origi.

I’d like you to apply it to Robbie Keane as well.

This might have far reaching consequences.

For clarity - Robbie - not Roy... we don’t need Dreamie in here.

250m footballers on earth. 7.5bn people on earth. 250,000,000 / 7,500,000,000 = 3.3%. So as long as there are about 80million footballers knocking around who worse than Origi and Keane, they'd both be in the top 1%. I'm sure you can find the best part of that many in the Australian leagues. Point proved.
 
I'm with you until the second last paragraph. Once there is a certain level of coverage then unvaccinated people should be allowed do anything a vaccinated person can do. Realistically should they not be only endangering themselves and other unvaccinated people?

The problem is that they aren't just endangering themselves. By allowing continued transmission and increasing the likelihood of new variants, they are endangering us all. Restricting privileges so that case counts dwindle to nothing is a reasonable alternative to vaccination.

You can have lockdown or you can have vaccination.
 
Most drugs are borderline useless and my best work is coaching ppl on lifestyle so they can ditch the meds.

In fact, I've launched a new practice that doesn't dispense medication and focuses on health coaching bc my faith and belief in pharmacology is so strong.

Anyways, big pharma is terrible but vaccines work and if there were an area I were going to tear into pharma for, vaccines would not be it.
 
The problem is that they aren't just endangering themselves. By allowing continued transmission and increasing the likelihood of new variants, they are endangering us all. Restricting privileges so that case counts dwindle to nothing is a reasonable alternative to vaccination.

You can have lockdown or you can have vaccination.

If the vast majority of people are vaccinated does that not mean the possible spread is lot smaller and slower moving meaning new variants take longer to emerge. A lot of experts are saying this look endemic now and we will have to start treating it like flu. If we are to wait for gloabla elimination we are talking several years more minimum
 
I thought that the new variants were caused by people who've been ill for months and the virus mutating within the host, rather than the virus just spreading about. Dunno, could be both, but the first couple were down to that.

Mutations can occur with any replication. But the more case transmissions, the more viral replication is ongoing (more hosts).

To prevent variants, we need to reduce mutations. To do that we need to reduce the amount of circulating virus. To do that we need to keep cases to a minimum and we need to do it globally.
 
If the vast majority of people are vaccinated does that not mean the possible spread is lot smaller and slower moving meaning new variants take longer to emerge. A lot of experts are saying this look endemic now and we will have to start treating it like flu. If we are to wait for gloabla elimination we are talking several years more minimum

This is true. Less cases means slower variants emergence. And the more we vaccinate and use public health measures to restrict cases, the less likely variants will emerge.

It may be that we need to learn to live with it but I'm not sure we're at that point yet.

And yes, we may be dealing with COVID for some time. If we, locally anywhere, want to be done with lockdown, we need high vaccination rates.
 
Mutations can occur with any replication. But the more case transmissions, the more viral replication is ongoing (more hosts).

To prevent variants, we need to reduce mutations. To do that we need to reduce the amount of circulating virus. To do that we need to keep cases to a minimum and we need to do it globally.

We've already lost this fight against the delta variant. It's spread is merely hindered by the vaccine. Which means it will spread, as it is doing right now, it is going to mutate as you have pointed out, and due to the hinderance you are so thankful for, those mutations that are naturally selected for will be precisely the ones that will layeth a most unfortunate beating upon the vaccine.

The chance you had to win this fight was a few months ago, when people with a brain could see the delta variant didn't give a shit about the indian vaccine. Of course to say such things back then led to you being called a racist, or having your vast intellect questioned by mortals. Alas now here we are, it's already too late. We're in a place now where the only way to win this fight now is to make china pay, or to make our population pay whilst we stockpile a new vaccine and then have another go. You'll see what I mean in six months or so when your intellect catches up to mine once again.
 
We've already lost this fight against the delta variant. It's spread is merely hindered by the vaccine. Which means it will spread, as it is doing right now, it is going to mutate as you have pointed out, and due to the hinderance you are so thankful for, those mutations that are naturally selected for will be precisely the ones that will layeth a most unfortunate beating upon the vaccine.

The chance you had to win this fight was a few months ago, when people with a brain could see the delta variant didn't give a shit about the indian vaccine. Of course to say such things back then led to you being called a racist, or having your vast intellect questioned by mortals. Alas now here we are, it's already too late. We're in a place now where the only way to win this fight now is to make china pay, or to make our population pay whilst we stockpile a new vaccine and then have another go. You'll see what I mean in six months or so when your intellect catches up to mine once again.

I actually don’t think you have an idea about racism but that’s another subject.
Do you have any actual proof the indian developed vaccine is not effective?
Last time I heard, it was as effective as the rest including AZ and Moderna.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/indias...s-effective-against-delta-variant-11625325879

I assume you have more graphs, arrays or dataframes that say otherwise?
 
I actually don’t think you have an idea about racism but that’s another subject.
Do you have any actual proof the indian developed vaccine is not effective?
Last time I heard, it was as effective as the rest including AZ and Moderna.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/indias...s-effective-against-delta-variant-11625325879

I assume you have more graphs, arrays or dataframes that say otherwise?

I mean covishield. Their own vaccine is more effective, but that's of no relevance to Europe or America.
 
250m footballers on earth. 7.5bn people on earth. 250,000,000 / 7,500,000,000 = 3.3%. So as long as there are about 80million footballers knocking around who worse than Origi and Keane, they'd both be in the top 1%. I'm sure you can find the best part of that many in the Australian leagues. Point proved.

I love how you just make stuff up - it’s hilarious.
 
I love how you just make stuff up - it’s hilarious.

I love how you seem to require evidence before you can accept a simple statement of fact that a premier league footballer is in the top 1%. All the footballers at all the clubs in the premier league are all in the top 1%. If you can't see this, then either your understanding of football or your understanding of percentages, or both, is non-existent.
 
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