Bollocks.
Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?
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Bollocks.
Omicron has been around for months. It just got rebranded and a PR campaign because it was time to frighten everyone into getting their kids vaccinated
You haven't provided a single source.
And the masterminds of the whole vaccine programme admit they don't have the evidence that would suggest boosters are a good idea.
They're the solution now, because for some reason countries ordered multiple times the amount of vaccines that we were told were required. Australia for example has 280m vaccines for something like 25-30m people
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I don't have time to watch that today, but I agree, he seems balanced and legit when I watched him before.
A federal district court judge has rejected a claim by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine being administered under Emergency Use Authorization is interchangeable with Pfizer’s Comirnaty vaccine, which in August was fully licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
In an order issued Nov. 12 in Doe et al. v. Austin, U.S. Federal District Judge Allen Winsor of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida denied a preliminary injunction requested by 16 service members against the U.S. Military’s COVID vaccine mandate. A hearing is scheduled for Sept. 14, 2022.
However, the judge’s acknowledgment that “the DOD cannot mandate vaccines that only have an EUA” is significant for two reasons.
One reason pertains to the difference in ingredients and manufacturing process between Pfizer’s EUA vaccine and the approved Comirnaty vaccine, and the other pertains to the legal difference between a fully licensed vaccine and an EUA vaccine.
The latter reason would apply not just to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, but also to the vaccines produced by Moderna and Johnson & Johnson (Janssen), both of which are authorized only as EUA products.
In an order issued Nov. 12 in Doe et al. v. Austin, U.S. Federal District Judge Allen Winsor of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida denied a preliminary injunction requested by 16 service members against the U.S. Military’s COVID vaccine mandate. A hearing is scheduled for Sept. 14, 2022.
However, the judge’s acknowledgment that “the DOD cannot mandate vaccines that only have an EUA” is significant for two reasons.
One reason pertains to the difference in ingredients and manufacturing process between Pfizer’s EUA vaccine and the approved Comirnaty vaccine, and the other pertains to the legal difference between a fully licensed vaccine and an EUA vaccine.
The latter reason would apply not just to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, but also to the vaccines produced by Moderna and Johnson & Johnson (Janssen), both of which are authorized only as EUA products.
I would guess that the sample sizes arent big enough yet to determine anything.
The first cases in South Afrca were young healthy people from a rich community.
We would need to know how it effects older people etc.
Hospitalizations are up but that could be because so many are getting sick.
Mild symptoms could also be down to the vaccines.
So far it looks way more infectious. The big outbreak over here was very surprising to say the least. It also seems that you can get infected even though you’ve had Covid earlier.
From a party of 94 people so far 47 have gotten infected.
They had all given a negative test prior to the party. So wasnt dected by a test either.
Although, isn't the absolute best scenario, if it is a highly communicative but mild variant, to encourage its spread? Isn't that what we should be looking for? We know having had covid is better for future protection than the vaccines. I'd prefer getting a mild version doing the rounds like the cold, than having vaccines and lockdowns.
I fear this kind of talk is going to attract some heat from various quarters
Well, yeah, exactly. We don't know yet. My issue is with the propensity of the media and government officials to leap to panic and fear in order to scare the shit out of everyone. I think they do that for a variety of reasons. Some innocent, some more sinister
If it is mild then yea. We don't know if it is.
Infection + vaccination gives the best protection. Infection on its own gives less protection and doesn't last as long as vaccination on it's own.
That would probably be the end of the pandemic as well. The biggest issue will be countries with low vaccination rates I reckon, and how they will cope.
In 12 days South Africa went from 312 cases to 16 000 cases per day.
How many deaths? Genuine question.
Yea good point. It would be great if much lower deaths. It would just be about making sure hospitals can cope.
No idea, mate. Just read that hospitalizations per infected is the same.
Fewer deaths would be a very positive sign indeed.
Yeah, I think it's important to now start focusing on deaths instead of solely cases. But again, the media aren't doing that for whatever reason. The virus is here, it's not going anywhere. Some context as to how fatal it is should be considered.
Yeah Sweden's cases and deaths are low compared to the UKs at least.
I've just had a look at the most recent figures for this country. 127 deaths from 41,457 cases. 0.3% mortality rate. Even with issues over how those deaths are calculated, across all ages, comorbidities etc etc. Can we just fuck this off now please and use some logic?
I've just had a look at the most recent figures for this country. 127 deaths from 41,457 cases. 0.3% mortality rate. Even with issues over how those deaths are calculated, across all ages, comorbidities etc etc. Can we just fuck this off now please and use some logic?
Pretty sure Sweden abandoned their original strategy and brought in more restrictions
Nah there's hardly any restrictions. Just had a look on their government website. No lockdowns, just basically asked people to use their common sense and encouraged vaccinations.
https://www.krisinformation.se/en/h...coronavirus/current-rules-and-recommendations
https://sweden.se/life/society/sweden-and-corona-in-brief
At the minute maybe, but they have Covid certs, have had restrictions on dining/events etc. Pretty sure they abandoned the original strategy, that people were talking about, at the end of last year, and aligned closer to what most other European countries were doing. @Modo can probably confirm.
Hal is actually right, we've implemented vaccination ID's and that's about it. Everything is open for vaccinated people. If you're not vaccinated you can't attend certain events or gatherings.
I have to be at work at least 3 days a week. No more keeping distance, no more masks. Well, masks were never mandatory in the first place just a recommendation.
Our public health officials rely totally on facts, unless omicron suddenly starts killing people there won't be any new "recommendations".
The infection numbers are so low now and we've pretty much killed off everyone who was at risk from the virus so, it's back to business for us.
I read that a record number of condoms were sold in Aug/Sep so, we really stopped caring.
Am I right in thinking it's also down to organisers of large events to decide whether or not they want all attendees to be vaccinated? It's not actually mandated by the government?
Yes, right again. It's not mandatory but, it's in their interest to want to have it in place.
The Police may reject applications to organize a public gathering or public event if it appears that the gathering or event will be held in violation of the participant restrictions.
The Police can also dissolve an ongoing public gathering or public event that is carried out in violation of the Restriction Ordinance.
If you are going to organize a public gathering or public event indoors with more than 100 participants without a vaccination certificate, it must be stated in your application that the participants have a designated seat, that parties must be able to keep a distance of at least 1 meter sideways and back and forth from others company, and that the number of participants in one and the same company amounts to a maximum of 8 people. Otherwise, permission cannot be granted.
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I think it was, or something similar, ai had read before: https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...stimated-strenght-virus-lofven-stefan-2020-12
Don't get me wrong, we're having a party now, but we certainly fucked up.
Didn't the Swedish government pretty much say "We got it wrong"?
Anyway, I think this is a good point:
Based on his summary in the first five minutes, and if that turns out to be true on a wider scale, it's great news, it'd be pretty much the end of it. If it's not causing hospitalisations, then herd immunity by exposure then becomes viable, or the current vaccines are enough on their own.
I had heard somewhere, can't remember where, that a surviving mutation will almost certainly be more transmittable(kinda has to be to take off), and is less likely to be fatal/dangerous, maybe a one in four chance of it being worse. Hopefully, that is the case with Omnicom, we'll probably know on a wider scale in a few weeks.
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