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Post Match EPL Arsenal (A) 0-0 January 8th 20:00

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Gakpo didn't cut inside once, because Timber had his number. He can't bring himself to go to the byline so he just stood there a bit lost, passing backwards. Calling him a one trick pony gives one trick ponies a bad name.

Rio would have added some danger but the Forest goal highlighted his defensive naivety, so can understand him not coming on. I'm not sure Chiesa would have added much either. It's crazy how few players Slot trusts despite spending millions.

It was another boring game with two sides desperate not to lose. It's more embarrassing for Arsenal given their position. It was good to have some width for a change - Frimpong, Kerkez and Bradley were the brightest players but Bradley's injury is a massive blow.

Ultimately it was a battle and it was pleasing that we turned up and won the battle but still a criminal lack of creativity.
 
Dreambeliever said:
Hammering a fan for gloating and being happy about arguably our best performance of the season under these circumstances is a hell of lot weirder.
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Again you did as I said you do.. You ignored everything and just focused on just one simple point...

Yes it was a good result and yes it was probably our best preformance of the season and yet we didn't really create enough to win the game.
Both teams were more focused on not giving up chances than trying to win. I think it's more worse on arsenal than us because they had more to gain by winning and less to lose by losing
 
Al_Gatto said:
Gakpo didn't cut inside once, because Timber had his number. He can't bring himself to go to the byline so he just stood there a bit lost, passing backwards. Calling him a one trick pony gives one trick ponies a bad name.

Rio would have added some danger but the Forest goal highlighted his defensive naivety, so can understand him not coming on. I'm not sure Chiesa would have added much either. It's crazy how few players Slot trusts despite spending millions.

It was another boring game with two sides desperate not to lose. It's more embarrassing for Arsenal given their position. It was good to have some width for a change - Frimpong, Kerkez and Bradley were the brightest players but Bradley's injury is a massive blow.

Ultimately it was a battle and it was pleasing that we turned up and won the battle but still a criminal lack of creativity.
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He cut inside after Bradley hit the bar. Instead of using his left foot
 
A well-earned point, and we should have got all three points, and weren't unlucky to do so! That was probably the best performance so far this season. However, I still think Slot is not the right manager to take LFC further. If we had a clever manager, we would have won that game easily, Arsenal was there for taken!. I think we don't need Salah at all, and we should utilize Harvey Elliot upon his return from his loan to Villa. I am quite worried about Bradley's new injury. It looks quite bad. I wish him a quick recovery! However, we have Ramsay as a replacement who is much better than Gomez. We need to start winning the remaining games and play the passing game rather than the difficult passing which we are giving the ball away. Good Luck
 
Farkmaster said:
Join me. I'm a grey army. I feel like what we are. We are 4th in a bad league after losing a bunch of games. I simultaneously think slot is a big part of breaking this team, but the fact that he has turned it around from entirely broken and even survived so far is worthy of note. I don't think many of us understand the pressure he was under. I think the football we play is awful at times and bores me to death but that we'd have been better off if he had started playing for 0-0s far earlier in our horrible slide, as that is what I was screaming for. I think if you can't enjoy us these scraps it's going to be a long season because I don't see us winning anything.
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I hear ya but it kinda feels like someone breaking your shit and handing it back to you covered in duct tape... errr thanks?
 
Sammy LFC said:
! However, we have Ramsay as a replacement who is much better than Gomez.
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Based on what evidence? The first 20 mins of a cup game against Palace that we lost 3-0? Or maybe you are applying the universal truth that any player who is not currently being picked to play is a de facto world beater ... Chiesa, Endo, Ngumoha etc.
 
Farkmaster said:
He was part of breaking it, but the thing with any good team is it'll break anyway, especially if you defer maintenance.
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I agree. I wasn't overly convinced in the summer and was expecting a transitional season, though tried to be positive about it all.

Still, I don't think anyone quite expected the drudgery of this season though. At the moment it's a case of enduring rather than enjoying.
 
keniget said:
I agree. I wasn't overly convinced in the summer and was expecting a transitional season, though tried to be positive about it all.

Still, I don't think anyone quite expected the drudgery of this season though. At the moment it's a case of enduring rather than enjoying.
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The pieces that would make it more enjoyable aren't even available right now. The general approach is correct when a team is completely fucked, just gain some structure and solidity, sacrifice the attack and then rebuild.

Can he rebuild? Beats me, but in terms of being more expensive, that's not going to happen with our current injuries.
 
keniget said:
I agree. I wasn't overly convinced in the summer and was expecting a transitional season, though tried to be positive about it all.

Still, I don't think anyone quite expected the drudgery of this season though. At the moment it's a case of enduring rather than enjoying.
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The only transition I can see though is the gradual improvement of players like Wirtz, Frimpong and Kerkez, I can't really feel that the team as a collective is in transition though because so many players are below par and we have no clear identity. Like last night, Neville rightly commented that in the first half we had no shape, we were just bodies chasing players, when we got the ball there was no understanding because there was no clear defined positioning. It improved in the second half, but the first half and the whole "shape" thing really defined this whole season. What are we trying to do?
 
Farkmaster said:
I don't mind the negativity, there are plenty of reasons to be negative. I do mind that irrational positivity is derided right now but irrational negativity is fine.

I do mind the fact that there's a universal acknowledgement that we are shit and a prevalent feeling was that we'd be beaten, and a significant amount of people thought it would be embarrassing. Then, we compete in a game, give ourselves in my mind our best platform to win it given the players we had, show a really good performance in the second half, and now we are bitching about how we didn't do more? If we are shit and the team is broken, and it is, then adjust your expectations. If you expect us to be humiliated and we compete and get a result, smile?

I'm far more annoyed about our lack of ambition in other games when we had the ball. Given that our subs have generally made our team worse, and how our team have responded disastrously to any slight change in momentum, I don't think slot did anything wrong not changing.

Join me. I'm a grey army. I feel like what we are. We are 4th in a bad league after losing a bunch of games. I simultaneously think slot is a big part of breaking this team, but the fact that he has turned it around from entirely broken and even survived so far is worthy of note. I don't think many of us understand the pressure he was under. I think the football we play is awful at times and bores me to death but that we'd have been better off if he had started playing for 0-0s far earlier in our horrible slide, as that is what I was screaming for. I think if you can't enjoy us these scraps it's going to be a long season because I don't see us winning anything.
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Count me in as one of your Shadow Corps.
 
On the "what are we trying to do" thing, I think that injuries this season have complicated figuring that out, but worryingly, I think that the players we have actually make far more sense if other critical players are injured, and that because of this, our first team is just worse.

I think most of the players we bought are good. Some might not be as good as their price tag, but many have big upside if they continue to develop.

I simultaneously don't think they can be good together. It's impossible with Salah around, but even without him I don't see us getting the best out of them, all together.

It's like we asked ai to figure out who to buy. AI doesn't understand anything, or the whole of anything. It isn't intelligent at all, it's just predictive, and it doesn't understand the intent of the assignment. The players are all fine and offer useful solutions in different scenarios. I don't hate any of the purchases really. They just don't make any sense.

Whether it's slot or someone else, it is a useful toolkit that will accommodate any taste with a couple additions and a sale or two. It's not a team though.
 
Hansern said:
I thought we held our shape very well last night. Arsenal were on the front foot for the first 15-20 mins and then we kind of adapted. In the second half we had full control imho. There were several situations were Arsenal just didnt have any passing opportunities or space.
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We defended in numbers, if you look at the maps when we had the ball we were all over the place. It worked defensively, but it's not the first time that we've lacked clear, defined positions and it shows time and time again. No wonder we are so disjointed. In the second half we looked much better and more settled and players were controlling areas of the pitch, as well as coming short when needed, but the first half was more indicative of how we have been for much of the season.
 
mark1975 said:
We defended in numbers, if you look at the maps when we had the ball we were all over the place. It worked defensively, but it's not the first time that we've lacked clear, defined positions and it shows time and time again. No wonder we are so disjointed. In the second half we looked much better and more settled and players were controlling areas of the pitch, as well as coming short when needed, but the first half was more indicative of how we have been for much of the season.
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I actually thought we had control for 70 mins +. But the fact that we improved so massively in the second half was great to see.
 
Al_Gatto said:
Gakpo didn't cut inside once, because Timber had his number. He can't bring himself to go to the byline so he just stood there a bit lost, passing backwards. Calling him a one trick pony gives one trick ponies a bad name.

Rio would have added some danger but the Forest goal highlighted his defensive naivety, so can understand him not coming on. I'm not sure Chiesa would have added much either. It's crazy how few players Slot trusts despite spending millions.

It was another boring game with two sides desperate not to lose. It's more embarrassing for Arsenal given their position. It was good to have some width for a change - Frimpong, Kerkez and Bradley were the brightest players but Bradley's injury is a massive blow.

Ultimately it was a battle and it was pleasing that we turned up and won the battle but still a criminal lack of creativity.
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Despite spending millions? Well, Kerkez, Frimpong and Wirtz played the entire game and the sub goalie and Chiesa were on the bench. Who else did he buy for millions who he didn't trust to put on the field? Oh, yes. Ekitike and Isak...
 
mark1975 said:
He was still good though, if he can sharpen up he'll be a threat, it's early days.
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I don't think he will ever have a great delivery though, as he never had. This is what we were told before he came in. I also remember him being fine with getting a 76 or something on passing for his score and being happy with it, and it was then that I realized even he knows his passing isn't great.

So we need volume for him to work. The big thing is what he does with his pace anyway. It completely reshapes how teams can play us and gives us a more simple out.
 
Frimpong's pace is the threat that defenders used to have with Salah. Of course the end product isn't the same but the attention they need to pay him is. So defenders will stay deeper (Hincapie and then that young double-barrelled twat was also invisible as an attacking force).

I'm sure we can work on the crossing - it's not like it's mostly on his wrong foot. But he tends to keep possession quite well and I didn't notice poor passing from him, maybe that's something we've worked on already.

I'd like him to move more central and higher up the pitch when we are defending corners etc. An out ball for us and to keep defenders further from our box.
 
Tbh I don't mind Frimpong being erratic in passing. He's got the pace to get the byline and now's to hit it with pace across the penalty area.

It's down to our forwards to be positioned correctly.
 
Fabio said:
Tbh I don't mind Frimpong being erratic in passing. He's got the pace to get the byline and now's to hit it with pace across the penalty area.

It's down to our forwards to be positioned correctly.
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Also TBF most winger's crosses are aimed into space not to a specific player. Emphasising your point. And we didn't have a CF yesterday.
 
mark1975 said:
The priority was a result, it wasn't "a point". We knew we were without players and it would be a struggle, but lets not act like we had a "lets just nick a point" masterplan. We clearly wanted to score, we just couldn't. Stop making out there was some succinct, carefully executed plan to just walk away with a draw.

And stop championing Gakpo doing the very basics, he was the worst Liverpool player on the pitch.
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Of course everyone wanted a win but the priority was not losing and certainty not getting hammered especially with three of four best attackers unavailable so yes in my view a point was priority one. Don’t get beat.

Gakpo was clearly our worst player but imo his contribution was still very important in terms of workload defensively and relieving pressure by winning freekick as the only out ball at times.
 
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