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Post Match EPL - Burnley (A) 0-1 Sunday 14th Sept 14:00

"without ever really looking under threat"

What are you talking about? We've needed 3 last min winners to salvage 6 points, we could just be easily sitting mid table next to City right now.

Half the team look fucking shit, the attack hasn't functioned collectively, defensively fragile (although) we've been better the last 2) but this was fucking Burnley and Grav is carrying our midfield.
who gives a fuck?. In those 4 games, have the other teams ever really looked a bigger threat than us?
Salvage 6 pts? We won 4 out of 4 with last min winners is how I see it. No point having a hissy fit after each win, we can play better and hopefully shall.
Last 2 games we have looked better defensively.
 
It isn't even anything new. We won lots of games 1-0 with late goals in the original glory days too, even at home, despite steamrollering everyone we came up against.
 
who gives a fuck?. In those 4 games, have the other teams ever really looked a bigger threat than us?
Salvage 6 pts? We won 4 out of 4 with last min winners is how I see it. No point having a hissy fit after each win, we can play better and hopefully shall.
Last 2 games we have looked better defensively.

I'd imagine a lot of people give a fuck if we're playing like cunts hence why many take to the forums to share their concerns, especially now that it's been 5 games in a row.

Newcastle scored 2 with fucking 10 men. Bournemouth scored 2 with 2 counters. Palace scored 2 because of 2 individual fuck ups.

We needed a gift of epic retardationess to beat 10 men fucking Burnley, before that we never looked like scoring. Never looked like scoring against Arsenal either and it needed one moment of individual brilliance, it's not sustainable. We're fucking shit and your #1 starboy who can do no wrong put in yet another predictable stinker.
 
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Szobozslai has done well at right back but we're a better team with a proper right back in it.

Bradley has the potential to be top notch but the fucker needs to stay fit & put games together. He looks bigger/stronger too, clearly been doing the gym work.
 
Szobozslai has done well at right back but we're a better team with a proper right back in it.

Bradley has the potential to be top notch but the fucker needs to stay fit & put games together. He looks bigger/stronger too, clearly been doing the gym work.
Bradley was excellent. 100% of his focus should be on strength and fitness. If he stays fit, he can beat in the league this year.
 
When Fergie’s Utd would keep applying pressure and grab plenty of late wins, that’s was the sign of champions. When it’s us, we call ourselves lucky.

I’m glad we’ve bagged some late winners. It shows we don’t give up. And it also puts serious doubt and fear in other teams minds as the clock runs down. They’ll always know we can score at any time.
 
Haven’t read this thread yet but one thing really stands out for me. We lost our attackers who are unpredictable & most likely to have magical moments (whilst being inconsistent) and there are going to be more & more games we get nullified because of this.

Diaz, Jota & Nunez were all varying levels of unpredictable and able to have great moments.

Gakpo is orthodox and easy to read.
Mo the same
Ekitike still finding his feet

i think with full backs up to speed we will be much more effective.

I’ve felt all season Kerkez should be hugging the touchline and Gakpo tucking in like a second striker. Kerkez is being inverted which just isn’t his game.

Excited to see us with Frim back and Dom in the middle.
 
Haven’t read this thread yet but one thing really stands out for me. We lost our attackers who are unpredictable & most likely to have magical moments (whilst being inconsistent) and there are going to be more & more games we get nullified because of this.

Diaz, Jota & Nunez were all varying levels of unpredictable and able to have great moments.

Gakpo is orthodox and easy to read.
Mo the same
Ekitike still finding his feet

i think with full backs up to speed we will be much more effective.

I’ve felt all season Kerkez should be hugging the touchline and Gakpo tucking in like a second striker. Kerkez is being inverted which just isn’t his game.

Excited to see us with Frim back and Dom in the middle.
Diaz and Jota yes.
Nunez was unpredictable in the wrong way.

We looked so much better with Robbo playing. Him and Gakkers are obviously more in sync.
Although, like it's like you say and I've mentioned it before, he's very predictable. Mix it up, give it to the left back, or cross with your left foot.
 
I think the issue today was the predestrian nature of our build up play, even when they had chances to come out of their shell, if we broke them up and countered by the time we got to their final 3rd we were clueless and did backwqrs/sideways bollox to give them time to get back.
 
Jesus Christ, this place... I swear some of you are happier when we lose - The agendas here are so fucking boring.

We lose 75% of last year's attack, and bring a player in from another country, and several of you revel in his failure to rule the league in mid-September. Supporting this team isn't like eating a cake, y'know... You don't have to hate one player, to love another - You can love and support ALL of our players, even if you're endlessly pretending that aging superstars aren't really loooooooong past their best. You can still love your hero, without pretending that a new signing is a failure 4 games into his LFC career.

We were blessed today, yes. But football is such a game of inches... If Ibou just lets that corner after 20 minutes simply bounce off his face, instead of trying to power it home, we score easily, the pressure if immediately released, Burnley have to do more than play 167 men behind the ball, and it's a totally different game. It didn't happen, of course, but every game has moments that would have changed things, and that was a huge one.

For me, far more concerning than Wirtz seeming so tentative and unsure of himself (which I think will disappear when he finally does something out of pure instinct and it comes off - right now, he's being so deliberate, so careful, that it's detracting from his normal game - is Macca's ongoing awful performances... I still can't get my head around how he looks soooooo unfit, a month into the season. He's been fucking brutal, and we should drop him to the bench until he's ready enough to be the player we all know he is. This version is a liability at times.

I also wish Kerkez would stop trying to show the world that he belongs at Anfield and just play football... That dive was pathetic. He's trying far too hard to be a hero for the fans, and he's actively sabotaging himself. And, though I agree that Cody was constantly driving and trying to create, all too often he looked like a poor man's (off form) Salah, cutting inside to shoot, and ending any threat that we may have posed in doing so. When he's not scoring, he's trying, but he's not contributing much.

And Mo's been absolutely dreadful so far this season. Of course you give him more time than others, 'coz he always has a goal in him, but at some point, he has to find some kind of form, or take a breather on the bench... All he did today was score the peno. And yes, of course that's what won the game, but without it, he'd have been a 0/10 for the rest of the match.

On the positive side, Gravy is just ridiculous. He's a superstar. I love how he plays the game... Both Robbo and Connor had very strong games, and I hope they both start midweek. I'd love to see Connor get a run as our starting RB now - He's got the chance to be a don. Rest Macca, move Szobo into that spot, and put the Tayto Warrior into his rightful spot. I thought both Virgil and Ibou had solid games, though Virgil always has that uber-annoying arrogant / casual / flipant misplaced pass that puts us under enormous pressure in him - Soon, it WILL cost us.

Also, we all know that we've been shite. But we all also know that a strong start was crucial, considering our middle-of-the-season run of fixtures... Well, similar to Bob's wonderful old saying "If you find yourself with the ball in their box, and you don't know what to do with it, just pop it in the net, and we'll work it out later!", we just keep winning. And that's all that counts, really. You don't get style points in this game, and as somebody else pointed out earlier in the thread, for all of our flaws - and all of our internal bitching - every single other team in the land would swap places with us tonight.

Most of us probably expected somewhere from 8 - 10 points from our first 4 games... Well, we have all 12 and haven't looked like ourselves at all. It will come. And I wouldn't be surprised if the occasion that's waiting for us next weekend is the first step on us starting to show the league what we can really do...
Oh, and Issak wasn't even on the bench, don't forget! The future is bright, lads. And the present isn't too feckin' shabby either...

Some of yiz need to breathe, FFS.
 
We do need to mindful results aren’t the only metric. We were top on NYD in 2021 while not looking super convincing but on track to defend our title. We then proceeded to lose 6 home games in a row and only an insane finish avoided missing out on CL qualification.

It’s a brilliant start in terms of results but there is heaps of work to do to retain the title.
 
I thought there were plenty of things we did well in this game. Don’t think Scott Parker planned for a home game with 19% possession and being outshot 27 to 3 without providing any threat on the break and no opportunities on set pieces. The reason we pushed Burnley so deep is because the defensive axis of Virgil, Konate and Gravenberch performed at absolutely world class level. Do you remember how in the first few games of the season the newcomers were outshining the old guard and we were all worried about defensive solidity? Well, it looks like the spine of the team is pretty solid again - sure, there will be harder tests, but the way they absolutely ate the Burnley attackers alive and snuffed out any hind of danger reminded me of the best days of Virge and Fabinho.

In less positive news, everyone can see is that our attack has not remotely clicked yet. We have added quality attackers, but all together they have not molded themselves into a quality attacking unit just yet. On the day, Gakpo was the best of the lot (especially in the 2nd half when he remembered you can beat Walker on the outside too), but he always plays a bit like a one-man attack. I thought Ekitike came too deep and overall there were not enough runs in behind. Wirtz is a whole separate conversation (more on him in the ratings below) and Salah was frankly atrocious. I really hope Isak can prove to be a catalyst to for this group of attackers to start meshing together because right now there is almost no chemistry between any of the forwards, except for some early sparks of understanding between Wirtz and Ekitike.

RATINGS:

Alisson 6 - should have brought his lawn chair and a pair of binoculars to watch all the action on the other side of the pitch.

Kerkez 5 - apart from a poorly executed dive, I thought he didn’t catch the flow of the game with some of his early crosses catching his teammates unprepared. Needs to take a chill pill, but maybe he’s just young. With good coaching and guidance he should mature and settle in time.
Virgil 7.5 MOTM - imperious and calm as you like.
Konate 7 - targeted by Burnley and came through superbly, winning all his duels of note. Wish his forward passing was just a tad sharper and faster.
Szoboszlai 6.5 - a typical Szobo performance; full of confidence and energy, but not always clean technically.

Gravenberch 7 - running Virgil close for MOTM shout, superb control and strength in midfield. I honestly would not trade him for any DM in the world. Where is that new contract?
Alexis 5.5 - not fully fit and the bad tackle 20 minutes in didn’t help. To his credit did try a couple of runs in behind which we needed more of.

Gakpo 6.5 - our most in-form attacker at the moment, needs to vary his game more.
Wirtz 5.5 - it’s interesting watching his movement; he is making more sprints and sharp movements than anyone, but you get a feeling that it requires corresponding movement from teammates for these runs to make any sense, otherwise he looks like a rogue wheel in a broken watch mechanism that moves twice as fast as other wheels for no reason. I wonder if he’s getting frustrated, because his passing has also been uncharacteristically sloppy at times.
Ekitike 6 - a couple of sparks, but overall a forgettable game for Hugo. Needs to ask less for the ball to feet and instead make more inside-out or outside-in runs to stretch the defensive line. It’s too easy to settle for tippy-tappy bollocks when playing against a low block; a striker should do things that pose real questions for the defence and make them uncomfortable.
Salah 5 - I should have probably added a 0.5 for the penalty, but it’s more important to face up to the reality of a performance which was really bad. We’re quite used to Mo being anonymous for large periods of games, but providing a bit of class at the key moments. In this game, every such potential moment in open play resulted in a bad touch, a wayward cross, a dribble into a blind alley. I think his face at the end said it all - the penalty was an undeserved cherry on top of a shit cake of a performance. I’m starting to be concerned...

SUBS:
Robbo 7 - what a pleasant surprise because I thought he was genuinely superb. Created more goal-scoring chances than anyone on the pitch despite playing for only an hour; some of his crossing was like the Robbo of 5 years ago and he was even driving into the penalty box. Slot will now have to seriously consider whether Robbo deserves to win his spot back; he could have hardly done more to stake his claim.
@Bradley 6.5 - like his attacking endeavor and surprising runs into the box, he made our game more dynamic in the 2nd half.
Chiesa 6 - had one chance with his first touch, shame he couldn’t direct the header
Rio 6 - great pass to find Frimpong at the back post
Frimpong 6.5 - yet another match-winning contribution from a late sub.

Slot - explained Isak’s absence by saying he was not ready to play twice within a week; disappointing for fans and could have cost us today, but I guess you have to give him credit for thinking about the player’s welfare long-term. Not convinced by his starting lineup decisions, but showed his ruthless nature to make quick corrections for the 2nd half where we looked more threatening and moved the ball faster. In the end, the win was perhaps lucky, but not undeserved.
 


First of all, what a fucking player, and the only player I really enjoyed watching today. That weird sissoko telescoper job at 1:06 ish made me genuinely confused when I watched it live. He's not normal. If you are going to have one trick, his first touch away is a fucking great one, but he can add so much more. He is going to be a devastating midfielder.

When you watch that compilation, you definitely see the stagnation of a closed game, but you also see lots of situations we should have done more with. We just didn't get anything out of those positions. That's a failure of our attack, because sometimes he actually broke the lines and there really wasn't much on. Wirtz had some positions he fucked up, but also had some where the off ball runners simply didn't make runs that were particularly challenging to defend.
 
First of all, what a fucking player, and the only player I really enjoyed watching today. That weird sissoko telescoper job at 1:06 ish made me genuinely confused when I watched it live. He's not normal. If you are going to have one trick, his first touch away is a fucking great one, but he can add so much more. He is going to be a devastating midfielder.

When you watch that compilation, you definitely see the stagnation of a closed game, but you also see lots of situations we should have done more with. We just didn't get anything out of those positions. That's a failure of our attack, because sometimes he actually broke the lines and there really wasn't much on. Wirtz had some positions he fucked up, but also had some where the off ball runners simply didn't make runs that were particularly challenging to defend.
It looks like he’s either been given more license to shoot or he’s gained more confidence to get there and try it. He was wonderful yesterday.
 
@Brizzle can you start the CL match thread, so I can write that Slot won't change a thing, except Macca because he's got injured.
 
Diaz and Jota yes.
Nunez was unpredictable in the wrong way.

We looked so much better with Robbo playing. Him and Gakkers are obviously more in sync.
Although, like it's like you say and I've mentioned it before, he's very predictable. Mix it up, give it to the left back, or cross with your left foot.

Nunez had a lot of great moments, and he wasn't easy to defend against. His challenge was two fold 1) he would nullify his own chances by being offside or 2) missing great opportunities he made himself available for

He was rarely marked or defended out of games by the opposition. But we clearly decided you can't coach the points above out of him
 
It was an awful game but in many ways expected post internationals with a still dysfunctional team looking to bed in new players. We were slow, ponderous and largely lacking in ideas and invention. I don't think the keeper had much to do other than that save from Szobo from distance?

Robertson was an immediate improvement when he came out. Like others, I thought Kerkez would hit the ground running and whilst he had a very good game against Arsenal defensively, he has been a total non-entity in attack thus far. This needs to be a big area of focus for Arne.

I thought Wirtz was better in the second half, more on the ball and more involved, which is what we need from him but any #10 is going to be hamstrung by an attack that doesn't quite know what it's doing.

There are numerous areas of focus for Arne but #1 has to be the right flank. We need Bradley or Frimpong to get a run of games and find a way to balance out the play between the RW and LW in the hope that Salah gets more of a feel for the game and stops stinking the place out.
 
Load of new players, some injured coming back, some look unfit like Macca.
Consecutive 1-0 wins including a win against the best PL side to have not won the PL and look solid which wasn't always the case end of last season. Somethig to build on.
 
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