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Post Match EPL Dyche’s Forest (H) 0-3 22nd Nov 15:00

Signs have been there for a long time. I think some posters are only just beginning to open their eyes.

Yeah. Liverpool fans all over the world that had their eyes shut, fingers in their ears going lalalalallalala will be knocking that shit on the head after this one.
 
How much of this is a real-world impact of Jota's death? I feel that the players never really got into that high-intensity mindset; therefore, they were not able t hit those physical peak condition, as we could have been, due to the psychological impact they were experiencing.
I know some will say it's lame but I feel ever since the first game that we physically haven't looked right. Getting outplayed by 10 man Newcastle.
I'm not saying the players are not fit, but I feel that the players weren't able to hit those peaks in preseason, and I feel we're kind of paying the price for that as much as the other reasons.
 
I dunno, because we were actually good before they scored, then the belief went.

We've gone from mentality monsters to frightened children.

We don't stand a fucking chance in any game where the opposition is remotely arsed
Like I say, I didn't see the game. I did see the players coming off at the end on Sky Sports News. To a man, they looked like they didn't give a fuck, like they thought they'd done their job. Losing 3-0 at home to a Sean Dyche team you can never leave the field feeling that way, unless you actually wanted to lose, or didn't give a fuck if you did. Shithouses. A new manager will come in, they'll start playing well and everyone will say it was all Slot's fault, but they're equally culpable. They owe it to the fans to put in a. shift every week.
 
So Liverpool lose two league games in a row by 3 goals just a few weeks before my 60th birthday. The last time it happened was just before I was born.

It's clearly my fault
 
My worry is the amount of money we've spaffed away on overrated players last summer. Any way we can get that money back....

We do have a lot of quality in the squad, it's not as bad as it looks right now. Saying that we do need 3/4 more players still which is crazy really.

A top manager can sort this out for us.
 
So Liverpool lose two league games in a row by 3 goals just a few weeks before my 60th birthday. The last time it happened was just before I was born.

It's clearly my fault
Is it? Well that's okay then.

What's your address?

fire crowd GIF by South Park
 
So Liverpool lose two league games in a row by 3 goals just a few weeks before my 60th birthday. The last time it happened was just before I was born.

It's clearly my fault

That's a mad stat.

& there was another 0-3 defeat in there with Palace in the cup. Just grim.
 
How much of this is a real-world impact of Jota's death? I feel that the players never really got into that high-intensity mindset; therefore, they were not able t hit those physical peak condition, as we could have been, due to the psychological impact they were experiencing.
I know some will say it's lame but I feel ever since the first game that we physically haven't looked right. Getting outplayed by 10 man Newcastle.
I'm not saying the players are not fit, but I feel that the players weren't able to hit those peaks in preseason, and I feel we're kind of paying the price for that as much as the other reasons.
I was thinking about this. Then last night I watched the new documentary about Kenny. It's worth a watch, but it rightly carries a trigger warning because of the sections on Heysel and Hillsborough - it's not gratuitous, but there's enough in there to remind you about the trauma on both days.
That 88-89 team was playing football whilst fans were dying behind the goal. They went to dozens of funerals, Kenny carried the brunt of comforting grieving fans, visiting hospitals, dealing with the bullshit from the FA pressuring the team to get back playing.
They barely had time to train, then a punishing schedule to finish the season, winning the FA cup (despite declining fitness and fatigue) and losing a title they deserved to win with the last kick of the game.
Now admittedly, as far as I know, none of them lost one of their best mates in the disaster (although Marina Dalglish does a very good job explaining the trauma she went through waiting to hear if Paul was OK).
I doubt they had access to sports psychologists, grief counsellors, personal trainers, dieticians, personal chefs and all that.
They didn't want to play on. But they did.
And it occurred to me that if they could deal with that, then this current crop of players can deal with losing Diogo.
Sure, it won't have been easy, and it'll definitely be a factor in our current struggles, but we can't allow it to be an excuse.
 
So Liverpool lose two league games in a row by 3 goals just a few weeks before my 60th birthday. The last time it happened was just before I was born.

It's clearly my fault
One way ticket to Switzerland for you mate, got to take one for the team. We can't risk this happening again when you're 120. 🤣
 
I've got way past the point of picking on individual performances. It's like trying to pick out who fucked up when a 100 strong orchestra gets out of synch. They all know their part but they need direction. It's not about the players. It's the lack of understanding, the lack of fluidity, movement, ideas.. It's 100% on the boss. We just got outfought, outrun, outplayed and outthought by a Sean Dyche side. He's got to go. It's not if but when. So it should be right now.
 
I was thinking about this. Then last night I watched the new documentary about Kenny. It's worth a watch, but it rightly carries a trigger warning because of the sections on Heysel and Hillsborough - it's not gratuitous, but there's enough in there to remind you about the trauma on both days.
That 88-89 team was playing football whilst fans were dying behind the goal. They went to dozens of funerals, Kenny carried the brunt of comforting grieving fans, visiting hospitals, dealing with the bullshit from the FA pressuring the team to get back playing.
They barely had time to train, then a punishing schedule to finish the season, winning the FA cup (despite declining fitness and fatigue) and losing a title they deserved to win with the last kick of the game.
Now admittedly, as far as I know, none of them lost one of their best mates in the disaster (although Marina Dalglish does a very good job explaining the trauma she went through waiting to hear if Paul was OK).
I doubt they had access to sports psychologists, grief counsellors, personal trainers, dieticians, personal chefs and all that.
They didn't want to play on. But they did.
And it occurred to me that if they could deal with that, then this current crop of players can deal with losing Diogo.
Sure, it won't have been easy, and it'll definitely be a factor in our current struggles, but we can't allow it to be an excuse.

I think it probably has some effect, and I'm willing to cut them some slack as a result.

But not this much. I actually think the majority of the blame is on the manager, though the players need to shoulder their fair share.
 
Yeah, I think we should bring in some caretaker until the end of the season, unlikely to get a top manager before then. Gary Mc or someone like that.
 
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