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Post Match EPL Dyche’s Forest (H) 0-3 22nd Nov 15:00

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Eddie Howe using tactics and formation changes to try to battle out a win. How very un-Dutch
 
It's the lack of creativity that pisses me off more than the defensive side of the game... Boring possession based football with no creativity is boring in itself but when you are conceding chances then it's just useless. The creativity issue was there last season and especially in the 2nd half of the season when the transition from Klopp to slot was complete... I'd rather lose 5-4 and be entertain than have 75% possession and lose 1-0 let alone this 3-0

Yes we should have probably been ahead before forest scored but still didn't create enough but once we conceded we shit the bed.. Never in the game after they scored..

He needs to go now, not in 4 weeks time..
 
Beamrider said:
Anyone remember Hodgson's last game against Blackburn when Gerrard deliberately blew a late penalty over the bar to make sure the cunt got sacked?
Yeah, that.
I didn't see any of today's game, but it has that "players being shit to get the manager sacked" vibe all over it. He's done. They're done with him. There is no way back for him.
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He might be done but that wasn’t the case today at all.
 
Waiting three weeks could be horrendous. We have 5 games and a continuous downward spiral ends our season completely.

That performance was nothing but disgusting. Even for that 20 minute spell, we weren’t that good. All we created throughout the game was that Mac Allister header. Some fancy play but nothing of note.

If Gomez couldn’t come on at all today just fuck him off. Tell him to stay home and play for Stockport after new year instead. I knew straight away Konate would be a liability and I’m sure everyone in the ground knew it too, especially if you played for Forest.

I’m a fan of square pegs in square holes and what made me think Slot was clueless was changing Szoboszlai’s positions within games just to go back where he was 10 minutes later. Slot had a right back there. Two more who can fill in. Leave our best player this season in his best position. Square Hungarian in a square hole. To play him as a right back centre mid hybrid just fucked us about all game. Play a right back at right back and get Szoboszlai where he can get involved in the middle. Then bring on the centre back and not ask our second best player this season to drop in there.

Then there was Isak. Not fit enough to play the first international game, unused second, yet was fit enough to start today? At the expense of our best forward this season who played well when with France. Mind boggling. There’s also no point playing Isak with Salah and Gakpo because we all know what the will do and it doesn’t involve passing the ball.

It was a shit show from start to finish. Bald heads must roll.
 
Beamrider said:
I was thinking about this. Then last night I watched the new documentary about Kenny. It's worth a watch, but it rightly carries a trigger warning because of the sections on Heysel and Hillsborough - it's not gratuitous, but there's enough in there to remind you about the trauma on both days.
That 88-89 team was playing football whilst fans were dying behind the goal. They went to dozens of funerals, Kenny carried the brunt of comforting grieving fans, visiting hospitals, dealing with the bullshit from the FA pressuring the team to get back playing.
They barely had time to train, then a punishing schedule to finish the season, winning the FA cup (despite declining fitness and fatigue) and losing a title they deserved to win with the last kick of the game.
Now admittedly, as far as I know, none of them lost one of their best mates in the disaster (although Marina Dalglish does a very good job explaining the trauma she went through waiting to hear if Paul was OK).
I doubt they had access to sports psychologists, grief counsellors, personal trainers, dieticians, personal chefs and all that.
They didn't want to play on. But they did.
And it occurred to me that if they could deal with that, then this current crop of players can deal with losing Diogo.
Sure, it won't have been easy, and it'll definitely be a factor in our current struggles, but we can't allow it to be an excuse.
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I hear you on this. I think that players need to have a good look at themselves.

At the same time I think generationally the playing situation is different than in the 1980s/1990s.

Being a footballer these days is so much more about being a finely tuned athlete.

I'm sure the players trained as hard as they thought they could in pre season but these days the margins are much smaller between "good enough" and "110%" .

My feeling is that Jotas death meant the team weren't able to get into that "golden headspace" where they could peak fitness wise in preseason.

I don't want to compare Hillsborough to Jotas death. But I think footballers sometimes spend more time with each other then they do with their own family. I'm sure Jotas death deeply affected them on a personal and existential level.

Again i don't think it's the sole excuse for the shit were have been subjected to, I just think it's part of the shit unfortunately.

For me I'm willing to give Slot a pass on this season, but he needs to fix up the team because the longer this goes on the possiblity that toxicity will fume to levels that won't be able to sustain him in the job.
 
mwake said:
I hear you on this. I think that players need to have a good look at themselves.

At the same time I think generationally the playing situation is different than in the 1980s/1990s.

Being a footballer these days is so much more about being a finely tuned athlete.

I'm sure the players trained as hard as they thought they could in pre season but these days the margins are much smaller between "good enough" and "110%" .

My feeling is that Jotas death meant the team weren't able to get into that "golden headspace" where they could peak fitness wise in preseason.

I don't want to compare Hillsborough to Jotas death. But I think footballers sometimes spend more time with each other then they do with their own family. I'm sure Jotas death deeply affected them on a personal and existential level.

Again i don't think it's the sole excuse for the shit were have been subjected to, I just think it's part of the shit unfortunately.

For me I'm willing to give Slot a pass on this season, but he needs to fix up the team because the longer this goes on the possiblity that toxicity will fume to levels that won't be able to sustain him in the job.
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How about trying to win it for Jota? Just like the Portuguese national team want to win the world cup for Jota?
 
Holle said:
We were on 15 points after 5 games. Last I checked Jota was already dead then.

This excuse is not only cheap but it's disgusting really.
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I agree that it's disgusting to use jota as an excuse but let's be honest we should really have been on 9 or 10 pts from those first 5 games as we won games we didn't deserve
 
We lost 7 games between Feb-May by the way.

From what I recall Jota was still very much alive and well. Fans get so drawn up into thinking this is an issue that only started in the summer, this has been ongoing all year fucking long.

The man has run his course, he doesn't have the brain, the know how, the motivation, the passion, or the balls to fix this.
 
Watching back on Motd, that first is beyond sloppy. There's three or four 50/50s that everyone backs out of, it's like they're coached not to give any foul. Then Konate brainfarts the corner. That total lack of bite and competitiveness best explains our league position.

What also gets me is last season Slot improved players, got consistent 7/10 individual performances, seemed tactically aware and made clever subs. But that's all gone out the window. He seems to have genuinely killed Wirtz, Isak, Kerkez, not improved them.

Today he ACTUALLY said he started Isak cos it was in his interests, not in Liverpools best interests. What the fuck? Player power another deeply wrong problem. Klopp cared but didn't pander to them.
 
Holle said:
Yeah. But the point was that we're underperforming due to Jota's death all while we were overperforming before.

So it's bullshit really. Like I said - cheap and disgusting.
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Totally agree.... People just looking for excuses and going there is a no no
 
“This morning, I had a conversation with the performance staff: ‘What is the best way for Isak – not for Liverpool – to get him as fast as we can to that 100%?’.

But for him to get there, he might need to have minutes where you could argue that another player might be further ahead of him in terms of match fitness.

Never heard that from a Lfc manager.
 
Al_Gatto said:
“This morning, I had a conversation with the performance staff: ‘What is the best way for Isak – not for Liverpool – to get him as fast as we can to that 100%?’.

But for him to get there, he might need to have minutes where you could argue that another player might be further ahead of him in terms of match fitness.

Never heard that from a Lfc manager.
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Play him for 40 minutes when the games won then

Cunt barely touched the ball. He could have done the same at the AXA
 
Al_Gatto said:
“This morning, I had a conversation with the performance staff: ‘What is the best way for Isak – not for Liverpool – to get him as fast as we can to that 100%?’.

But for him to get there, he might need to have minutes where you could argue that another player might be further ahead of him in terms of match fitness.

Never heard that from a Lfc manager.
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Of course and what was the excuse he used for Chiesa...
 
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