Post Match EPL Tottenham (A) 1-2 Sat 20th December 17:30

[dee ★]

Yeah I'm not into the personal insult thing when it comes to (non-owl head) Liverpool managers but he's looked more and more out of his depth the longer 2025 has progressed. Granted he's still in place and it's too late do anything this season given the low likelihood of funds to change the squad and the lack of obvious replacements.

However, that doesn't mean I feel this is now anything other than a treading water season where the general capability of the individual players will keep us 5-8th overall, the higher the better. The manage is a 'Rosco' manager

 

[localny]

Yeah, not mad about it, but still DB is too strong. For me, he deserves a little grace and a little time having solved our defensive problems. Now he needs to solve our fluency and attacking problems. It's one step at a time. No way were we going to solve the two together IMHO with so many new players.

We were fortunate to have a highly emotional intelligent manager for a decade. Slotto doesn't seem to know his own failings and blind spots. He's merely human. the last guy was our messiah. There's no replacing that.

 

[darkstarexodus ★]

If he played Chiesa more, a lot of my complaints would go away.

Not because I think Chiesa is the solution to all our problems. But because his lack of game time is the most striking indicator of poor man management and failing to use resources available at Slot's disposal.

 

[Frogfish ★]

Our attack hadn't worked well this season, we know that. And that was with a full team. Yesterday Salah, Gakpo, and Isak were not on the pitch from the beginning, are people expecting free flowing attacking football / goal threat galore all of a sudden? That's just wishful thinking.

On top of a stuttering attacking, we were conceding goals when we pushed forward, either from a soft midfield or from defensive mistakes. The 3-0, 4-1 results are not one-off. Who do you think fixed the problem? We ain't scoring but we are at least not conceding easy goals anymore, isn't that down to Slot's changes?

Credit when its due, the results don't come by themselves. We are still not doing too well, but we take the 3 points and move forward, and hopefully we will continue to improve to get to a level to possibly win something this season.

That sort of ignores how many goals we've scored though - I posed the stats vs Arsenal earlier, we've scored 28 to their 31. The difference is in defence, where we've conceded 25 to their 10. There's your main problem - the defence. If you score more then you can concede more and still win (see City 41 - 16) but it has to start with conceding less, which leads to more confidence to control or see out games.

 

[Frogfish ★]

With the lack of cohesion and patterns of play so far you’d think we were bedding in a lot of new signings. Yet we’ve created the second most chances in the league this season. The other 18 teams must really be shit given how awful we’ve been.

Most big chances I saw from a recent chart. We won't mention those conceded (bottom three I think it was) !

 

[Frogfish ★]

I would assume both are goals would have counted as big chances yesterday, what actually classifies as a big chsnce.? Like does it have to be over a certain xg?
Would also think we were more creative early on in the season but since we've reverted back to full on slot ball that creativity has dried up

That is a direct result of our conceding over and over and losing 9 from 12 ! Of course we reverted to more defensive, less chance-taking, tactics in an effort to stem the flood.

 

[Frogfish ★]

Chiesa...

Klopp with Elliott?

 

[KopRed]

That sort of ignores how many goals we've scored though - I posed the stats vs Arsenal earlier, we've scored 28 to their 31. The difference is in defence, where we've conceded 25 to their 10. There's your main problem - the defence. If you score more then you can concede more and still win (see City 41 - 16) but it has to start with conceding less, which leads to more confidence to control or see out games.

It is the approach we have taken. We have tried to attack like last season in the beginning but we do not have a cohesive frontline leading to us losing balls high up while committing too many players forward. Lesser teams park the bus, wait for our attack to break down and counter to score.

Slot has done some tweaking in the last few weeks. We don't look as attacking but we don't look as porous as before. We are getting results but are being accused by some as being not "attractive" enough. It's about being pragmatic instead of asking for the "attractive" football we cannot produce at this moment.

 

[Frogfish ★]

Dirty bastards.


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[Frogfish ★]

Slot has done some tweaking in the last few weeks. We don't look as attacking but we don't look as porous as before. We are getting results but are being accused by some as being not "attractive" enough. It's about being pragmatic instead of asking for the "attractive" football we cannot produce at this moment.

Agree with this.

 

[mark1975]

Agree with this.

I would if we ever produced attractive football, but we don't. We're as dull as fucking shit to watch regardless of the result, relying on moments of ingenuity from players who could be producing it much more frequently. And before you bang on about stats, we "should" be up there in the scoring charts, with the talent we've got. Luckily quite a few of them have weighed in, unfortunately only Ekitike looks like a frequent threat in this system and even he is feeding off scraps. The defense is shite, but that's only half the problem, the rest is the tentative tactics, the nervousness and the complete inability to control a game.

If you've got Szobo, Macca, Gravenberch, Jones and Wirtz around your midfield and they aren't controlling the game, there's something fundamentally wrong. The system is so fucking dull and vague, it's hard to see what Slot is trying to achieve and it's not a new thing, we were performing for about 20 minutes in games last season and luckily doing enough damage in short spurts to get points, the whole nondescript functionality of this team has just deteriorated (what we see with our own eyes) into games where 15 top class professionals look so defeatist and lacking in purpose. They can't all have turned to shit and we can't just go "well Slot can't be responsible for Jones giving the ball away". He fucking coaches them! If they don't know what they are doing and they are repeating the same mistakes, it's on him. Completely.

 

[Modo ★]

Klopp with Elliott?

Slot with Elliott? At least Klopp played him.

 

[jan]

Yeah they were about to collapse because they were ran ragged by 10/9 men...

That's another issue. We look so much slower, weaker, less physical than almost every other team.

Get Klopp back in with the inhalers.

That's the weird thing that keeps bothering me. Why does almost everyone in the team look so slow, weak and unfit this year? Some reverse Chiesa shit

 

[Frogfish ★]

Slot with Elliott? At least Klopp played him.

Hardly. Mostly on the bench and in cups.

 

[Modo ★]

Hardly. Mostly on the bench and in cups.

I don't know why you'd even argue that, it's not even close and you know it.
Just check transfermarkt, you'll see how bad it was last season.

 

[jan]

Shaqiri would be more apt if trying to make that comparison. Elliott played quite a bit

 

[Al_Gatto ★]

I would if we ever produced attractive football, but we don't. We're as dull as fucking shit to watch regardless of the result, relying on moments of ingenuity from players who could be producing it much more frequently. And before you bang on about stats, we "should" be up there in the scoring charts, with the talent we've got. Luckily quite a few of them have weighed in, unfortunately only Ekitike looks like a frequent threat in this system and even he is feeding off scraps. The defense is shite, but that's only half the problem, the rest is the tentative tactics, the nervousness and the complete inability to control a game.

If you've got Szobo, Macca, Gravenberch, Jones and Wirtz around your midfield and they aren't controlling the game, there's something fundamentally wrong. The system is so fucking dull and vague, it's hard to see what Slot is trying to achieve and it's not a new thing, we were performing for about 20 minutes in games last season and luckily doing enough damage in short spurts to get points, the whole nondescript functionality of this team has just deteriorated (what we see with our own eyes) into games where 15 top class professionals look so defeatist and lacking in purpose. They can't all have turned to shit and we can't just go "well Slot can't be responsible for Jones giving the ball away". He fucking coaches them! If they don't know what they are doing and they are repeating the same mistakes, it's on him. Completely.

Nail on the head - tepid, slow football. Four shots on target, yawn. Packing the MF to try and get control. Virtually every player underperforming.

But it's Mos fault. Or the ref. We got every decision vs Spurs but I can see Slot trotting out the Isak injury excuse for weeks to come.

 

[Glen C]

Its the lack of tempo and pressing that is pissing me off the most. i just dont get why we move the ball around so slowly as it serves no purpose and just helps the opposition. Why do we no longer press from the front anymore?