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localny said:
I like the fact you play 7 different teams, instead of home and away against three teams. BUT, not playing everyone in your league distorts the eventual standings.

Alternate format - I'd almost prefer six groups of six, and add in a wildcard sixth game versus someone from another group.
- The top two of each group going through to playoffs,
- Third and forth going through to playoffs making 12 teams in the playoffs, but only four teams make it through to next round
- The playoff round is four groups of three - one winner per group.
- This gives you a more real group stage, where people play all the teams in their initial group.
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Talk about convoluted !
 
Right-ee-o...


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localny said:
I like the fact you play 7 different teams, instead of home and away against three teams. BUT, not playing everyone in your league distorts the eventual standings.

Alternate format - I'd almost prefer six groups of six, and add in a wildcard sixth game versus someone from another group.
- The top two of each group going through to playoffs,
- Third and forth going through to playoffs making 12 teams in the playoffs, but only four teams make it through to next round
- The playoff round is four groups of three - one winner per group.
- This gives you a more real group stage, where people play all the teams in their initial group.
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Okey dokey (just watched ep 7 of the fucking brilliant Fallout)
  • So first off we currently play EIGHT different teams not seven
  • Six groups of six - how would the seeding work for that? Maybe 1xA, 1xB, 2xC and 2xD or do you suggest super granular seeding?
  • Who play at home? If you extend the seeding advantage you pretty much make it a done deal, if you make it random the big clubs kick-off
  • How to decide the wild card? Up front or at the ned when you know form? On seeding or standing?
  • I suspect you meant the top two go straight to the Knock out round with 3rd/4th going into a secondary group draw that will create 4 groups of 3 teams. Again a bit of an issue as you'll have different points for 3rd in the original groups and you'll need to spread six third placed teams into four groups so ... how to decide that?
  • Finally given the teams will only play twice but across three match days you won't be able to have the last day jeopardy. In the last game both teams will know what they need to do given one team has already played twice. Unless you were going for H/A for the second group and making it four games which would put a huge pause in the comp for the 1st/2nd teams which are the more likely to draw interest and revenue. I'm not sure either would drive enough differentiation to get clear group winners. May end up needing a coin toss in some cases
 
I don't have an issue with the format now. I quite like that we're playing good teams early on and that we have more variety. It's also achieved one aim of the last few games still being competitive for most.

(The main aim of course is more money, and I'm sure they've achieved that too, but that's fair enough).
 
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