Post Match FAC Barnsley (A) 4-1 January 12th 19:45
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xG doesn't show the details that can/could be important, true. But it IS a useful barometer and as Irish pointed out, 0.8 likely came from their goal. Which means they offered little to no threat despite some nice wing play from Clearly.
So your "could have scored more goals" isn't even close to the reality. No, they couldn't, and if they had had 'more quality' then we have an Aunt/Uncle scenario.
Its a useful indicator to tell you that you’re wrong but that’s not a reason to not use it.
10 goals from 2,34 and 10 shots on target is quite something. Even people who don’t like it will raise their eyebrows.
Both City and ourselves with 21 shots in total btw.
Portsmouth had 13 shots against Arsenal btw. 5 on target. 1 more than Arsenal.
Siting stats is always useful.
It was only competitive in that the match wasn't truly over until we got the 3rd. Sitting with 10 men behind the ball doesn't make it competitive per se, almost always just a matter of time, and no matter how much they ran they didn't create anything. Which is what 1st Division, 2nd Division teams do well. Run & pass well, the difference is almost always in the two boxes where the difference in class tells.
Barnsley were far away from being awful but we were always in control (after that first 30 secs - it can happen). Nearly all teams will get a shot or two on target during the course of a match, no matter which division they play in. Too much is being made of the very few and very remote chances they had.
Note I'm still not saying we played well. It was a 5/10 maybe a 6/10 performance.
Yeah and my issue is that it was another 5/10 performance.
If anyone can watch that performance against a struggling League One side and be okay with it in light of what we've been served up this season, then, well, that's on them. I expect better from the club, the manager and the players on the pitch.
If anyone can watch that performance against a struggling League One side and be okay with it in light of what we've been served up this season, then, well, that's on them. I expect better from the club, the manager and the players on the pitch.
We're not talking about Arsenal though are we? And the difference between us and Arsenal is that they sit top of the league, while we've been below par nearly all season.
Portsmouth's shots against wasn't the norm for Arsenal, so in an FA Cup game they will probably take that on the chin, because they know in the next match they will be back to full strength and shutting teams out.
We haven't done that at any level this season, bar a couple of games and we can't really realistically predict that we will be better on Saturday, because it's exactly the sort of game where we've dropped point this season, whereas Arsenal haven't and would probably expect to win a similar tie, the only points they have dropped at home have been against us and City. So Arsenal conceding more shots against Portsmouth than they normally would is irrelevant, their backline against Portsmouth was less experienced than ours for starters and they didn't have any of their first choice midfield.
Arsenal's home games this season:
Leeds - W 5-0
Forrest - W 3-0
City - D 1-1
West Ham - W 2-0
Palace - W 1-0
Spurs - W 4-1
Brentford - W 2-0
Wolves - W 2-1
Liverpool - D 0-0
4 pts dropped, 3 goals conceded
Our home games this season:
Bournemouth - W 4-2
Arsenal - W 1-0
Everton - W 2-1
United - L 1-2
Villa - W 2-0
Forrest - L 0-3
Sunderland - D 1-1
Brighton - W 2-0
Wolves - W 2-1
Leeds - D 0-0
10pts dropped, 10 goals conceded
I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, but the mentality of "well, we won, what more do you want? Stop moaning" just papers over the cracks and leads us to where we are now. There were signs last season that a big drop off was coming, but it was brushed under the carpet by some.
The same is happening now. Yeah, we're on the least impressive unbeaten run ever, but we still look largely shite. It's not sustainable long term and something has to change.
The same is happening now. Yeah, we're on the least impressive unbeaten run ever, but we still look largely shite. It's not sustainable long term and something has to change.
I don't think it was a great performance but we could have twatted them 7-0 easily. Wirtz missed a tap in. We gave them their goal. I mean we weren't very good but just because Ally McCoist was going on about a plucky display from a load of shite doesn't mean that we didn't batter them, because we did.
Is that stat a measurement of time as a sub on the bench?
You brought up Arsenal in regards to shots conceded in our last Fa cup game, but then they had a bad experience defensively in the FA cup and now we're not talking about them?
In terms of the defensive side of our game we're actually 2nd in the league in expected goals conceded now, behind only Arsenal, so while we have actually cleaned up that part we're nowhere near good enough attacking wise.
We're pretty bad. Not Liverpool worthy at all if we're honest.
But that wasnt the argument. The FA cup is a cup final for lower league teams. Just as Arsenal, Palace, other Premier league teams and ourselves found out. And City's result flattered them. Massively.
We have injuries piling up and bigger fish to fry.
Do enough to get through and move on is all I expected and what we got.
We are through without any new injuries. Ekitike is back and some of the fringe players got a run-out. Good day all round.
Even if we are to beat them 10-0, it doesn't change anything anyway. Just like how the performance against Arsenal is well ignored.
I think many have made up their minds regardless.
Even if we are to beat them 10-0, it doesn't change anything anyway. Just like how the performance against Arsenal is well ignored.
I think many have made up their minds regardless.
You are right - LFC's current position is 100% down to certain SCM members having red tinted specs. Who knew we had such power?
it's a stupid stat but it does point to more how poor you are at creating good chances if you have a low xg for having loads of shots.. Just means you're not creating much.
The eye test is always a better gage.
Its like all stats. It depends on how you use them. The eyetest will always be the best element to decide something, but I don't think anyone watched the City game on here. So when people said why couldnt we play like City and demolish our opponent its actually quite interesting to look beyond the scoreline. It was quite telling as well.
You're being deliberately obtuse. Slot has clearly failed to rectify the team's shortcomings and his coaching and tactical methods for a year now.
She said it was the worst experience in her 80 year old life. Not much of a compliment, sadly.
Of course I am - did you expect anything different?
That said, I think Slot can see when performances are poor, regardless of results; in fact he said so specifically after this match. He is not papering over the cracks or sticking his head in the sand, he clearly wants that to improve (otherwise why point it out). Whether his methods are or will be effective is a different question, but I don't think he is guilty of ignoring the reality, which is what you claimed people on this site are which "leads us to where we are now"
I specifically said I'm not talking about anyone in particular.
Tell her my technique has gotten better in the last few years and I'm willing to make amends.