Full Metal Jacquet
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Well Füllkrug, Igor Thiago, and Evanilson were the top scorers for Dortmund, Brugge and Porto respectively. These are proper UCL clubs who regularly make the 2nd round and have appeared in Finals.
They were signed by West Ham, Brentford and Bournemouth, three teams with realistically no chance of earning a CL place. So there is a huge disparity in spending power.
This past window, Crystal Palace spent more than all 20 La Liga clubs combined.
They were signed by West Ham, Brentford and Bournemouth, three teams with realistically no chance of earning a CL place. So there is a huge disparity in spending power.
This past window, Crystal Palace spent more than all 20 La Liga clubs combined.
Everton have spent big in comparison to their actual status in world football.
Not recently.Not that I want to defend them but facts are, their net spend is £12m over last 5 years.
Not including the cost to finance their new stadium of course.
Well why would you include that but yes cost for stadium and also refinance their original debt from previous spending too I assume
We often have the discussion on here about why didn't we sign [e.g. van Dijk] before he went to [Southampton] and I always respond that the rationale is that they wouldn't necessarily have got the opportunities to play every week and become the player they are today. We pay more later on but reduce the risk of failure.
This deal turns that rationale on its head and I've got to believe we wouldn't be doing it unless the assessment was that the lad is an exceptional player who is ready for first-team football now and only likely to get better. The Leoni deal can be viewed in a similar light, it's just that the fee wasn't quite as high. For context, Estevao, a year younger (and obviously an attacker) could potentially reach €57m (that deal was done 18 months ago). The price for Jacquet is not that out-of-kilter if he is the shit.
My point is that we often criticise the club for not buying players when they are on an upward trajectory, and now we're trying to rationalise that this is a market-rate deal, that it isn't really a big-money gamble on an unproven player, which it absolutely is. But it's the kind of deal that a lot of us expect to see more of (in fact we probably would have wanted it done 6 months ago for €20m less).
I'm hoping that he is exceptional, because if he isn't this deal will prove the wisdom of waiting and paying more for the finished article.
This deal turns that rationale on its head and I've got to believe we wouldn't be doing it unless the assessment was that the lad is an exceptional player who is ready for first-team football now and only likely to get better. The Leoni deal can be viewed in a similar light, it's just that the fee wasn't quite as high. For context, Estevao, a year younger (and obviously an attacker) could potentially reach €57m (that deal was done 18 months ago). The price for Jacquet is not that out-of-kilter if he is the shit.
My point is that we often criticise the club for not buying players when they are on an upward trajectory, and now we're trying to rationalise that this is a market-rate deal, that it isn't really a big-money gamble on an unproven player, which it absolutely is. But it's the kind of deal that a lot of us expect to see more of (in fact we probably would have wanted it done 6 months ago for €20m less).
I'm hoping that he is exceptional, because if he isn't this deal will prove the wisdom of waiting and paying more for the finished article.
Slightly off topic
"At the time, I mentioned to you that they never officially closed the Konate matter for me. Madrid already did something similar in the past with Rudiger: he was "ruled out" in January and signed in April. We'll see what happens with Konate."
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"At the time, I mentioned to you that they never officially closed the Konate matter for me. Madrid already did something similar in the past with Rudiger: he was "ruled out" in January and signed in April. We'll see what happens with Konate."
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Read your post again, read my post again.
You said bottom feeders aren't spending £40m on attackers let alone defenders. I showed they are.
As well run as they are, pretty much everyone had Keith "the set piece coach" Andrews nailed on as first manager sacked and Brentford struggling in the summer.
Newcastle haven't always been in the UCL and owned by Saudi as I said. They weren't at the time.
West Ham are not a stable club, they are a mess of a club who'd have been relegated if it was it wasn't for Moyes. And they've spent crazy money on absolute shite time and time again.
Sunderland was as an example of club spending big money after landing from the championship and again, tipped for relegation before the season started.
Everton have been on the brink of financial sanctions and relegation for the last few years. Another club saved from relegation by David Moyes. And yes, they are bottom feeders, no negotiation on this one!
16th and 17th was a bit of tongue in cheek, it was Utd and Spurs who over the last 5 season of seasons have cleared a small country's GDP between them in transfer fees.
Summary - If a £55m rated defensive prospect on the radar of every top club in Europe got on the blower to Sunderland, Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Crystal Palace and said i want to sign for you in the summer, they'd jump at it and they'd be able to pay that bill. The reason they don't is because the top level prospects don't want to play for them.
And to add to this, pretty much every club barring us, Manchesters, Chelsea, Arse and probably Newcastle and Spurs, are a couple of bad transfer windows away from relegation.
They might have a good runs in the Premier league, they might even get into Europe for a season or two. But a few bad windows, they're back to scrapping it out in the Championship.
Below the big 6-7 established/state owned clubs, they are all bottom feeders. I wish them every success, I loved watching Palace win the FA Cup and didn't begrudge them beating us in the CS. But they are an archetypal bottom feeding club. If the strategy works, you see a season like last year, if it doesn't they're playing in Rotherham on a Thursday night instead of Europe.
I read your post but it’s wrong on every point you made which is the clubs you listed aren’t PL bottom feeders. Your definition of bottom feeders is plainly wrong.
Your first point listed Newcastle as a bottom feeder. They have the spending power to do a lot more but ultimately restricted by PSL. They have been well backed over 5yrs and state wealth which is a fact.
Secondly the, possible clubs that can be considered as bottom feeders such as “Sunderland, Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Crystal Palace” have yet to spend anything like 55m on a 20yr highily rated defender. Typically those that do that are Chelsea, United, Arse, City and Us. Last time I checked these are facts. Everton’s biggest buy was 45m for Gylfi which was 10yrs ago so bottom feeders aren’t just buying highliy rates players at the prices top 6 are buying currently. Poor old Harvey can’t even get a game at PL contenders fck sake for a lot less money wise…
Context matters.
It's not.
They signed Joelinton when they were a bottom feeder.
You didn't say £55m, you said £40m.
You didn't say highly rated defender, you said attackers never mind defenders.
You're moving the goalposts to suit your point.
Reading what you wrote matters.
You have again missed the point, 40m by a club who is not considered a bottom feeder
You said they were a bottom feeder, Newcastle aren't a bottom feeder now or back then.. Your response doesn't really hold. Maybe take time to understand the my original post, have not moved the goal posts but you clearly have missed the original point but regardless your definition of bottom feeders is completely incorrect or even factuat even if you are citing signings from 7 years ago pre-Saudi ownership days.
They fought relegation, got relegated, fought relegation again, got bought by a state. They'd won nothing for over 60 years. They were shit and exactly like I described, a few bad transfer windows away from relegation, which has happened twice to them in the last 20 years!
Maybe you're too young to remember them being a joke of a club? They were a laughing stock with managers like Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew and Steve McClaren in charge.
Difference of opinion i suppose. Have a great weekend bud 👍
Maybe you're too young to remember them being a joke of a club? They were a laughing stock with managers like Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew and Steve McClaren in charge.
Difference of opinion i suppose. Have a great weekend bud 👍
Dude, been watching playing football for over 40yrs so I remember thing being exciting in 90s and crap in 2000s. They may have been a bit of a joke during it like we were under Roy but never some one I would consider a traditional bottom feeder category. Have a good one.
