General UK politics

[Richey]

It’s a long way to go. In three years we may, just may, see differences in the country and people notice these incremental improvements the government is making. I know it’s a well worn line but it’s going to take a few parliaments to reverse austerity.

Labour aren’t helping themselves though and they’ve made some awful policy decisions and their PR fucking sucks.

Not sure it's even just that, I think it's more that events happen and the way the government deals with them can make or break them.

Three or four years would be an extraordinarily long time for nothing unexpected to happen, a government needs to deal with all of these things, and when it is an issue of huge national significance it is the government that people look to, not any opposition.

With Reform, they are flying high at the moment being able to whip people up into a frenzy. That won't last forever, because people get bored. We won't have three solid years of people fixing flags to motorway bridges, for example.

As has been said, they are actually in charge of things now too. Early next year they will be hiking lots of people's Council Tax, and they will do the same the following year, and the year after that and after that. So give it a few years and they won't be new anymore, at a certain level they will be the establishment.

 

[The Nomad]

It’s a long way to go. In three years we may, just may, see differences in the country and people notice these incremental improvements the government is making. I know it’s a well worn line but it’s going to take a few parliaments to reverse austerity.

Labour aren’t helping themselves though and they’ve made some awful policy decisions and their PR fucking sucks.

Yep Labour keep scoring own goals. They dont want to be accused of putting us deep in debt again.

I don't see a way out for Rayner here either. That's a full on tax dodge. One she in the past would have pulled any Tory up on. She can get to fuck.

Literally no one I want to vote for in 4 years time. But I do think Reform will run us into the ground.

 

[peterhague]

Prepare yourselves for Farage. I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, there's no way I'm voting Starmer again. Of course I would never vote Tory or, even worse, Reform. But, Reform are defo going to be the largest party at the next election, no doubt.
In terms of the worst Govts we've ever had, this Labour Govt is worse than Sunak, not as bad as Johnson, May and Cameron.
They ran on a promise of change. There's been none. All these cunts have in their locker is higher taxes. The sooner they're gone the better.
This country is a mess.
We can't afford the welfare bill, we can't afford the NHS bill, we can't afford the population we have. I'm a left-winger but nothing will change until we admit that.

This is the crux of it. The country's broke. There's fuck all Reeves can do.

I hope at some point the entire West can finally realise that consistently borrowing money will always lead to ruin. I'm kind of over party politics at this point: tax who you want, spend it on what you want and whoever you want - whatever. Just don't fucking do it by borrowing or printing money ever again. We should write it into fucking law.

 

[The Nomad]

Bye Rayner.. was nice knowing you. But I'm sure she'll reappear under Corbyn.

 

[Richey]

Not sure if she will resign, and Starmer has a real problem if he sacks her, as he can't sack her as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, only as a minister. It'd be very awkward to have to still have to put up with a Deputy Leader who he has just sacked.

Added to the fact that she's undoubtedly much more popular than he is, both with the Labour Party and the public.

 

[BishBashBosh]

She’s as fucking corrupt as the last 14 years of Tories. They are one and the same.

 

[Beamrider]

There's a migrant hotel down the road from me. There have been people there since covid days, single men (no one noticed they were all "of fighting age" back then) and latterly families whose kids have been attending local schools.
There were no issues until the flag-shaggers rocked up a few weeks ago.
Local residents with legitimate concerns my arse. The only legitimate concerns the local residents have are around the cunts shouting racist slogans in the streets.

 

[Mosely]

She’s as fucking corrupt as the last 14 years of Tories. They are one and the same.

Not having that. Whilst I'm no massive labour fan, that's clearly bollocks.

 

[rubans]

Was away for 3 weeks on hols abroad. Was wondering how many new flag flyers would come back to and suprisingly not seen a single new one my way, maybe I haven’t been looking hard enough…

 

[The Nomad]

Not sure if she will resign, and Starmer has a real problem if he sacks her, as he can't sack her as Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, only as a minister. It'd be very awkward to have to still have to put up with a Deputy Leader who he has just sacked.

Added to the fact that she's undoubtedly much more popular than he is, both with the Labour Party and the public.

She was popular with the public. But even the most ardent Labour voter won't tolerate tax dodging.

She's done as a Labour MP. I'm sure we'll resurrect her career though.

 

[Richey]

She was popular with the public. But even the most ardent Labour voter won't tolerate tax dodging.

She's done as a Labour MP. I'm sure we'll resurrect her career though.

The way things are at the moment she'd probably lose her seat to Reform anyway.

But if that landscape changes, and she does decide to stand again, she won't be deselected or anything like that and she'd probably win again.

The majority of people really won't be that bothered and/or won't remember.

 

[BishBashBosh]

Not having that. Whilst I'm no massive labour fan, that's clearly bollocks.

So she hasn’t got her snout firmly in the trough then?

Her net value is in the millions - before politics she was a carer.

Square that circle, she’s fucking bent.

 

[The Nomad]

So she hasn’t got her snout firmly in the trough then?

Her net value is in the millions - before politics she was a carer.

Square that circle, she’s fucking bent.

I mean i wouldn't say she's bent. But she's definitely not squeaky clean.

I've read a few places now where she sought advice from 3 different firms. If they all advised her to do it, then you follow the financial advice.

If they told her the risks and she did it anyway... that's a different matter. Regardless of her disabled child's trust/first home.

 

[MomoWASright]

I mean i wouldn't say she's bent. But she's definitely not squeaky clean.

I've read a few places now where she sought advice from 3 different firms. If they all advised her to do it, then you follow the financial advice.

If they told her the risks and she did it anyway... that's a different matter. Regardless of her disabled child's trust/first home.

I doubt she would’ve ignored them, but if it’s true she sought advice from three firms, all of whom told her what to do and she did it then HMRC would call that a mistake despite reasonable care. I don’t recall reading anywhere she will be paying a penalty, just the additional tax and interest which means it probably was a mistake despite reasonable care.

 

[peterhague]

View: https://x.com/codepink/status/1963608982766989593


A man of principle.

 

[MomoWASright]

Who also supports the ban the Nottingham reform councillors have placed on the Nottingham Post.

 

[Atlas]

I don't think the current flag flying is entirely a racist thing, although some of it certainly is.

I think a lot of it is people searching for a grievance wherever they can find it. Sticking up a load of flags hoping that a Council or a police force or whoever will take them down or tell them to stop putting them up so they can then feel offended and kick up a fuss.

Bonus points of course for the flag Installers who can catch people on camera removing them, put it on YouTube and rile up a few thousand more people.

At least as far as I can see, there aren't a huge number of flags going up in houses. They are hung over road bridges or on lampposts or whatever. The kind of places where local authorities are more likely to remove them.

I say it's not racist as such in the minds of a lot of people who do it, but there is clearly an element of it, which is stirred up by Farage and Reform. The nastiness will only get worse, at least for a while.

So it's a lot of racism but not entirely?

Suppose it's a question of what is the ultimate aim of riling a few more thousand people as you put it.

Deport the illegals and then the other brown people who have made the country so shit?

 

[Richey]

So it's a lot of racism but not entirely?

Suppose it's a question of what is the ultimate aim of riling a few more thousand people as you put it.

Deport the illegals and then the other brown people who have made the country so shit?

It's different aims for different people.

The likes of Farage have the aim of attention, power (to an extent, although he'll run away if he ever does get it) and money. They want people as angry as possible.

The people who I mentioned who want people who take down flags so they can film them doing it, or are filming migrant hotels are opportunists. They were filming outside police stations or flying drones over businesses a few months ago. They want to wind people up to get YouTube views.

Then there is the group of people who are targeted by Reform. Not necessarily racist, but as I said, forever searching for a grievance. With a lot of them, it's not the immigrants they are hating, but they are believing the utter bullshit that the 'establishment' is favouring immigrants over them. After all, always easier to blame someone else, right?

Then, sadly, there are a load of vile racists. They don't have an ultimate aim because they are too stupid for any kind of strategic thought.

 

[Atlas]

I see your logic and think it makes sense, and i agree its important to differentiate between the groups.

Problem is they all lead to a climate of fear and continued anger at a specific section of the community (and those who oppose the fear mongering). So that kinda sucks

 

[Richey]

Yes, it makes everything nasty and depressing. It very much sucks.

I don't know about immigrants, but the whole thing certainly makes me want to leave.

 

[Atlas]

Yes, it makes everything nasty and depressing. It very much sucks.

I don't know about immigrants, but the whole thing certainly makes me want to leave.

As a third gen Immigrunt Ive had tons of conversations with people about an 'exit strategy'.

Being from the subcontinent, I know people who have moved there, have stsrted to build there and ready to go in case shtf.
I know a lot of others who have moved to various middle east countries, Emirates, Oman, Saudi, Qatar etc.
I know some in Turkey and others in Malyasia.

Much as the uk has issues, I dont wana leave.
The idea of living in the Emirates makes me want to stab myself in the eye.
I dont think Sub continent is a real viable option, and anywhere else in europe similarly doesn't make sense.

 

[MomoWASright]

If I was to leave it would be because of the knuckle draggers and not immigrants.

 

[Richey]

If I was to leave it would be because of the knuckle draggers and not immigrants.

Yes, me too. Sounds like too much of a hassle now, sadly.

 

[Athens]

Yes, me too. Sounds like too much of a hassle now, sadly.

what's the deal with Farage in the states? I read some people are suggesting in theory he could get done for what he's been saying.

 

[MomoWASright]

He lied to congress

 

[Richey]

what's the deal with Farage in the states? I read some people are suggesting in theory he could get done for what he's been saying.

I'm not entirely sure how he got to be there in the first place, but as usual he just wanted attention for himself and a free trip.

He lied about banning journalists from his events. Nothing will happen.

 

[The Nomad]

what's the deal with Farage in the states? I read some people are suggesting in theory he could get done for what he's been saying.

Not sure about the states. But apparently he's put his main house in his wife's name.

Lets see if he gets the Rayner treatment by the Daily Gammon.

 

[The Nomad]

Rayner gone

 

[Richey]

Starmer will obviously be very happy to get one of his people into her old ministerial job but he has a potential headache over a new deputy leader, which he has less power over.

 

[Squiggles]

Rayner had to go. A housing minister who can't understand or seek appropriate guidance on stamp duty is ridiculous. She's made no qualms about routinely calling for the heads of people in the previous government. That's all well and good, but your own house has to be in order, and hers had £40k in it that should have been with the tax man.