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General UK politics

More trustworthy than Reform.

Since the May local elections (4 months) we have seen Reform Councillors racially abusing neighbours, charged with threatening to kill their wives, arrested for assault, arrested for stalking and harassment, arrested for malicious communications and going on marches with Nazis.

Even among their handful of MPs, in the past year, 2 have resigned the whip or were kicked out, one of which it emerged previously did time for kicking the shit out of a woman.

I'm not especially confident that if we ended up with 350 of them after the next election that they would be of much better quality.
It seems to me that politicos of all stripes can't be trusted either socially or in their duties. It's hard to imagine that they have the general populations interests at heart given the way they act.

Corruption seems endemic, witness ministers and ambassadors et al, there must be a better way to make them accountable other than the whim of a party 'leader'.
 
Maybe so but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and positively vote for it. I don't like the way the hard left talk about taxing people's wealth like they own it. They seem to think they're entitled to steal as much of it as they possibly can. I think that's very immoral. Maybe not as immoral as the way Reform talk about immigrants, but still very bad. I couldn't vote for people like that.

Of course, there's the immorality of wage freezes and redundancies whilst giving bonuses out to themselves.

Morality when it comes to money doesn't exist.
 
Of course, there's the immorality of wage freezes and redundancies whilst giving bonuses out to themselves.

Morality when it comes to money doesn't exist.

I think stealing is immoral. I wouldn't mind taxing wealth so much if there was at least an acknowledgement that it's wrong and ideally shouldn't be done. You don't get any of that from the hard left though. They seem to relish the prospect.
 
I don't know about anyone else but if I were wealthy I'd pay the least amount in taxes it was legal to pay. The government already wastes enough, they don't need more to piss away.

I'd suggest that about 100% of anyone else on here would do the same.

If, after taxes, I felt like donating I would because then it would be my choice.

Feck the entitled and the jealous and their hypocrisy. Daft argument to just keep paying and paying.
 
I don't know about anyone else but if I were wealthy I'd pay the least amount in taxes it was legal to pay. The government already wastes enough, they don't need more to piss away.

I'd suggest that about 100% of anyone else on here would do the same.

If, after taxes, I felt like donating I would because then it would be my choice.

Feck the entitled and the jealous and their hypocrisy. Daft argument to just keep paying and paying.
Doesn't surprise me coming from you.
 
I’m not wealthy at all, but would pay more in taxes if the country wasn’t so fucked up in terms of services and spending money on shit.

You can voluntarily pay more tax and NI than is due in the UK legally now. You can continually pay on account and not request a refund.

I'm sure the government would find a use for it.
 
You can voluntarily pay more tax and NI than is due in the UK legally now. You can continually pay on account and not request a refund.

I'm sure the government would find a use for it.
I do know that. But they’d use it on shit like giving it Israel.
 
I wouldn't be against raising loads of tax from the rich if it was absolutely necessary and the government at least acknowledged it was a necessary evil that they'd stop as soon as they could. It probably is absolutely necessary right now tbf, but I just never see any sign of that concession.

I think parties like the Greens would take as much as they could forever just because they passionately hate the rich. I don't like that personally.
 
I wouldn't be against raising loads of tax from the rich if it was absolutely necessary and the government at least acknowledged it was a necessary evil that they'd stop as soon as they could. It probably is absolutely necessary right now tbf, but I just never see any sign of that concession.

I think parties like the Greens would take as much as they could forever just because they passionately hate the rich. I don't like that personally.
Income tax was only meant to be temporary. From the Napoleonic age.
 
I'd say net zero subsidies, HS2, sundry foreign aid etc etc

There's a list one could make.

The upshot is huge debt to which the only answer seems to be more taxation.
I’m all up for net zero because I don’t fancy my kids either drowning standing in Liverpool or being cooked alive.
 
Net zero subsidies.

Fossil fuel companies get billions of pounds worth of subsidies from the UK government every year and no one seems to mention it.
Nobody mentions it and nobody asked for it.

We don't know the half of it, we're just expected to shut up and pay up.

There has to be a reckoning probably on the backs of our kids.
 
Remember back when we had the hole in the ozone layer? The whole world ended up going yea. We’ve fucked up. Now it’s gone. Same thing needs to apply.
 
Remember back when we had the hole in the ozone layer? The whole world ended up going yea. We’ve fucked up. Now it’s gone. Same thing needs to apply.

Well the hole in the ozone layer isn't fixed yet despite CFC's being replaced. As regards clean energy it'll be technology that makes progress and not martyrdom..
 
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