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Have we broken Pep?

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rurikbird

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An excellent article from Barney Ronay to start us off:
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Genesis, Revelation … Exodus: has Pep Guardiola reached City endgame?
Guardiola is generally in one of three phases of engagement – it is tempting to conclude we are in this third stage now, that the Pep exodus has begun

Barney Ronay


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This is the end, beautiful friend. Or rather, it may just be a vision of it. Watching Pep Guardiola capering on the Anfield touchline on Sunday – skinny legs splayed, arms flailing, black quilted jacket bouncing about like an angry rubber ball – was at least confirmation of one thing. Manchester City’s manager remains an extraordinarily agile and sprightly 48-year-old footballing obsessive.

Beyond that it was hard to interpret this reaction to a third Premier League defeat as a sign of good health, stability and plans for the future falling neatly into place. Instead Guardiola seemed oddly isolated, out there operating without restraint, still in the field, a manager who may just have entered the next phase in a familiar career parabola. So much so it is tempting to ask another question. Will he actually be back at Anfield for another league game?

It would be easy to dismiss this as pure speculation, mainly because it is. Plus this kind of behaviour is simply Guardiola’s way. On the wall of his office he has a quote from Marcelo Bielsa that includes the words “the joy that comes with winning lasts about five minutes and what is left is a gaping void and a loneliness that is hard to describe”. OK, so that’s winning. How about losing 3-1 to your title rivals on a wildly frustrating afternoon. Talk us through that.

By the time Guardiola appeared backstage in the media suite he had, to his credit, regained his composure. By this stage he was simply very, very angry but icily self-contained too. And yet that feeling remained. The extreme physical comedy of Guardiola’s afternoon seemed to go beyond normal modes of behaviours, to carry an echo of other times. The trouser-splitting touchline mania during the 6-1 defeat of Porto a year before Guardiola left Munich. Or the wild, capering set-to in the Champions League semi-final against Real Madrid the year he left the Camp Nou triumphant but exhausted.

Guardiola is in his fourth season at City. He didn’t make it past four at Barcelona. Munich stretched to three. He has a newly built house in Manchester, loves the club and loves his group of players. There have been talks about staying in place until 2021 but with Guardiola it is important to remember he is generally in one of three phases of engagement, phases we might call Genesis, Revelation and Exodus. The first of these is the building phase, when his methods are applied, new systems put in place, bumps in the road negotiated (for a while in his first season at City Guardiola literally painted a white spot on the training pitch where he wanted Raheem Sterling to stand).

The second is the High Pep period, those golden moments when the team are functioning at their perfect pitch. The final stage is the period of departure, a process of leaving that involves much emotional energy expended on all sides.

It is tempting to conclude we are in this third stage now, that the Pep exodus has begun. And not just because of his previous patterns of behaviour. In the most productive, gloriously watchable sense Guardiola tends to exhaust not just himself but those around him. By the end at Bayern club officials were openly briefing visiting journalists that enough was enough, that someone a little less demanding may be next in line.

And after a while mistakes can start to be made, as they were against Liverpool. Undoubtedly City were a bit unlucky. There is no team on earth who can lose three key members of their back five and go to Anfield with confidence. City still had 18 shots and might have had a penalty before the opening goal.

But they also might have done things differently. Why did Guardiola only use one substitute, despite chasing the game from the start? Why didn’t he use Riyad Mahrez at all? Why was there no change of shape, no tactical answer to Liverpool’s early dominance? Why had Sergio Agüero, who looked jaded, played in five games in 15 days leading up to this one? Why is Claudio Bravo, aged 36, still the back-up goalkeeper? Why have City spent £230m on full-backs in Guardiola’s time without actually securing a pair of dominant, settled full-backs, to the extent they were dominated by Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson, who cost a princely £7m combined? Why don’t City have a dominant, capable centre-back to replace the dominant and capable Aymeric Laporte?

Critiquing any manager in this way is a rigged game. Only they get to see their players close up, to know their precise physical and mental state, to know the full details of the gameplan. These people are experts. The rest of us spectate. But part of Guardiola’s fascination is the way his mistakes often do stand out, how they can look oddly broad brush, the mistakes of a delusional caesar bound up in ego and principle.

There is a restlessness to this too. Guardiola is like an artist in the sense he seems constantly to question the limits of his medium. Why central defenders? Why give the ball away? What is tackles? There is even a creative angst in the way he moves through club football. Create a brilliant team … and then what?

Hence perhaps the tendency to burn himself out. And City have, lest we forget, ticked off most of the elements on that to-do list. Win the league and the cups. Improve his players. Create a passing team unlike anything seen in modern English football. Influence the way the game is played in its unusually stubborn founding nation. Check to all of those.

One thing remains, of course. His obsession may not be shared by all City’s supporters but Guardiola would love above all else to win the Champions League. Liverpool will be even harder to catch in the league this time around. And this is perhaps where the season will start to lead for City, tailing towards that point in spring when those European knockout ties come rolling around, the big ticket one-off trouser-splitting occasions that have tortured Guardiola in the recent past.
He has time to regroup now and build towards that moment. Anfield was not the end, or even the beginning of the end; but it might just be a first step towards a genuine moment of dramatic crisis.
 
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On the wall of his office he has a quote from Marcelo Bielsa that includes the words “the joy that comes with winning lasts about five minutes and what is left is a gaping void and a loneliness that is hard to describe”.
I still haven't really come back to earth after our Champions League win over Tottenham. So Bielsa's taking rubbish.

Would be a new string to our bow if we could start breaking people without having to use Divock to do so.
 
We haven't broken anything, yet.
I'm not liking all this celebrating that is being done at the moment. Don't have time for all these pundits talking about how the league is decided etc.
Not complaining about being top of the league, just feels like there's still a lot of games left to be played.
 
We haven't broken anything, yet.
I'm not liking all this celebrating that is being done at the moment. Don't have time for all these pundits talking about how the league is decided etc.
Not complaining about being top of the league, just feels like there's still a lot of games left to be played.


They are just waiting for us to fail.
If they really thought the Title race was over they would be mass imploding and calling us cheats.
 
We haven't broken anything, yet.
I'm not liking all this celebrating that is being done at the moment. Don't have time for all these pundits talking about how the league is decided etc.
Not complaining about being top of the league, just feels like there's still a lot of games left to be played.

Still lots of league to play but I'm still enjoying their fury.
 
We haven't broken anything, yet.
I'm not liking all this celebrating that is being done at the moment. Don't have time for all these pundits talking about how the league is decided etc.
Not complaining about being top of the league, just feels like there's still a lot of games left to be played.

I also don't think the league is done by any stretch. But it's possible to avoid over-celebrating while also noting (okay, and enjoying) signs of cracks in our title rivals. At least it should be possible.
 
I also don't think the league is done by any stretch. But it's possible to avoid over-celebrating while also noting (okay, and enjoying) signs of cracks in our title rivals. At least it should be possible.
Obviously, I also visit rival forums for a laugh, but I just don't want to go all out just yet.
 
We haven't broken anything, yet.
I'm not liking all this celebrating that is being done at the moment. Don't have time for all these pundits talking about how the league is decided etc.
Not complaining about being top of the league, just feels like there's still a lot of games left to be played.

And you would be correct - like 2/3 of the season left to play. It is a fucking joke, and yet despite our win, I feel like they will win and lose games and we could still not win the title because we end up drawing too many games and not winning them - just like last season.
 
And you would be correct - like 2/3 of the season left to play. It is a fucking joke, and yet despite our win, I feel like they will win and lose games and we could still not win the title because we end up drawing too many games and not winning them - just like last season.

Not sure if we had an 8pt lead on 2nd place at any time last season (i remember it as high as 7), but we did finish the calendar year in first place and lost it. Being up in November hardly guarantees anything.
 
City will not be at their best until Laporte is back. If teams actually go at them they will continue to drop some points. The only concern is they drop some serious money but it seema unlikely they'll be able to attract top talent in the January market.

As for ourselves, well, some key players are already playing with injuries and haven't had much in the way of a break and are going into a crazy set of fixtures. I'm enjoying this moment but we'll see where we are at the end of January. If we're still comfortably top and have a fit and firing squad then it's time to get excited. I remain concerned that not securing another attacker over the summer will prove costly, especially as we have progressed in the cups are are duty bound to take the club World Cup shite seriously.

We seem to be working miracles with getting our front three onto the pitch twice a week, but we remain one ACL injury to Salah, Mane or Firmino away from handing a title to City, IMO.
 
I just hope Ox and Gomes and Shaq and Div and Lallana will and Brewster and Matip {edit} and Keita and a couple of our youth will step up to fill whatever gap to go on marauding the Premier League. Already some Man U wums are betting that we will bottle it like {edit} they think we did last year!

How I wish we will rub it in at the end of this season. Come on Reds.
 
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I still haven't really come back to earth after our Champions League win over Tottenham. So Bielsa's taking rubbish.

Would be a new string to our bow if we could start breaking people without having to use Divock to do so.
Yes but you are not a manager 😉
 
I just hope Ox and Gomes and Shaq and Div and Lallana will and Brewster and Marip will step up to fill whatever gap to go on marauding the Premier League. Already some Man U wums are betting that we will botlle it last year!

How I wish we will rub it in at the end of this season. Come on Reds.
We didn't bottle it last year. Unless you call winning the last 9 games on the bounce bottling it.
 
We didn't bottle it last year. Unless you call winning the last 9 games on the bounce bottling it.
I didn't say we bottled it but the ManU wums did. I am so straining at the leash to shout back at them but hey, let's wait for our 19th coming home this season.
 
Yes but you are not a manager 😉

Well... the U16 team I coach won their end-of-season tournament on Sunday, retaining the only unbeaten record in the league as they tied the final in the last minute and won on penalties. I have not felt any gaping void yet...
 
Well... the U16 team I coach won their end-of-season tournament on Sunday, retaining the only unbeaten record in the league as they tied the final in the last minute and won on penalties. I have not felt any gaping void yet...
Haha yeah that's clearly in the ballpark of being a top manager (your chance may yet come 😉
 
Bernardo Silva has been banned for 1 match (the upcoming match against Chelsea) for the racially insensitive tweet about Benjamin Mendy.
 
Haha yeah that's clearly in the ballpark of being a top manager (your chance may yet come 😉
Spurs, Utd & Everton have a gaping void (to use the vernacular) am not sure about the issue of "Top Manager" though.
 
Of course we haven't fucking broken him. They'll be back this season and will mount a charge, especially if they venture into the transfer market in January.
 
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