Here's an idea...

[Ryan]

Carragher as Assistant Manager.

From now. I see little tactical awareness of out this Dalglish/Clarke combo, and by all accounts Carragher has all his badges, is a keen student of the game, and could potentially offer soemthing there. Straight out of the game, he understands the players, has played under some incredible managers, and let's face it - his playing days are close to numbered, he's going down the managerial path anyway and the sooner we get him into this phase, the sooner we can get Dalglish out the door.

Go for it.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Would you trust him tactically though? If Daglish needs a helping hand there, then perhaps we should get someone who we can groom to replace Daglish when he retires after winning 7 straight premier league titles?

 

[spider-Neil]

I wouldn't trust a player who repeatedly conceeded possession with aimless punts up the field to coach our players. great defender but I would rather trust someone like sami who made an art of simply being in the right place at the right time and rarely wasted a pass.

 

[Holle]

I wouldn't trust a player who repeatedly conceeded possession with aimless punts up the field to coach our players. great defender but I would rather trust someone like sami who made an art of simply being in the right place at the right time and rarely wasted a pass.

Just like Mourinho or Benitez were artists in their playing careers?

I find Ryan's idea quite attracting.

 

[Ryan]

I wouldn't trust a player who repeatedly conceeded possession with aimless punts up the field to coach our players. great defender but I would rather trust someone like sami who made an art of simply being in the right place at the right time and rarely wasted a pass.

You bug me greatly. Fucking GREATLY.

 

[Ryan]

Just like Mourinho or Benitez were artists in their playing careers?

I find Ryan's idea quite attracting.

And Wenger, and Brendan Rodgers, and Hiddink, and on and on and on.

 

[Frogfish]

Carra as a defensive coach - yes. As assistant manager ? I don't think he has the tactical nouse and he needs some time on the other side of the fence to acquire it .... but that is just a feeling of course. Not ready IMHO.

 

[Portly]

I don't know how the Dalglish/Clarke combo works, but between them they have often got the tactics badly wrong this season. I don't think adding Carragher to the mix is going to improve things unless the management get rid of either Dalglish, Clarke or both of them.

 

[spider-Neil]

I have no idea why people are bringing up coaches that were never great players.
I think people are getting the impression I thought carra was a poor defender, I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying carra's style of defending was last ditch tackles and flingling himself in front of the ball (if people want to argue this point go right ahead) where as sami with no pace positioned himself in exaclty the right position to snuff out danger before it began, rarely was he seen making sliding tackles because he never had to, as such I would rather the later coach our young defenders than the former. fuck only knows what that has to do with rafa, or whinger or jose.

 

[refugee]

I think Kenny is quite progressive in his ideas when it comes to coaching. He has made his name in the (managerial) game by coming through the boot room, and yet when he was appointed for his second stint he went outside of the boot room to acquire Steve Clark. Presumably it would have been easy for him to get one of his old Liverpool colleagues, but he instead went for someone who is supposedly at the cutting edge of the modern game.

I doubt Carragher will have any problems getting a job at the club when he finishes playing, I also don't think Kenny would have any difficulty working with him (provided Kenny is still there). However I do have doubts over Carraghers desire to coach / manage, I think he wants to play for as long as possible. We also have no idea if he will be any good or not, because we don't work with him on a regular basis.

So in conclusion: If he wants to, and the other coaches at the club think he is good enough then sign him up. If he isn't good, then scouting or youth team coach might be a more realistic idea.

 

[Mystic]

You bug me greatly. Fucking GREATLY.

Yet you're the most monotonous and irritating person that posts on this forum.

As for the point, it's an awful idea. Carragher might bring something to defensive tactics, however it's hardly an area where we struggle. He should become a coach to begin with and then grow towards a bigger role, but as our assistant/first team coach/whatever it's called, I'm more than happy with Steve Clarke.

 

[Pesam]

I wouldn't mind it if Jamie went to Tranmere next season and became player/assistant manager under Ronnie Moore. He's still got the legs for another season or two at a lower level and he'll learn loads from Moore who has been in the game for many years. After a season or two he could either be promoted to manager of Tranmere if Moore leaves or be promoted to a similar role at LFC.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Carra as a defensive coach - yes. As assistant manager ? I don't think he has the tactical nouse and he needs some time on the other side of the fence to acquire it .... but that is just a feeling of course. Not ready IMHO.

Carra has more tactical nouse than some premiership managers do.

I think its a great idea.

 

[Rosco]

I don't know how anyone could judge his tactical ability but its obvious that hes clever and is a student of the game. Its a no brainer

 

[spider-Neil]

Carra has more tactical nouse than some premiership managers do.

what makes you say that? serious question.

 

[spider-Neil]

two players from our past I'd want on our coaching staff, alonso and sami. both has shown intelligence and tactical knowledge which I'm sure they could transfer to our players.

 

[FoxForceFive]

what makes you say that? serious question.

I've sat with the man for over an hour, & bar an obligatory 5 minutes when he asked about me he spoke about nothing but football. He watches every level you can imagine & has an understanding of the game I've never even remotely come across before, when I got the balls (after two pints) I asked him about Henry turning him inside out time & again that game they got three against us, how it effected him, he said following that he watched it over & over, studying his movement & tries to do it with every player he'll face.

Regards tactics he spoke about why rafa played certain personnel in certain ways & said he loved the fact rafa went out of his way to explain tactical decisions & how different managers liked to line up he spoke a lot about pressing all over the pitch being key & gave examples of teams at the time using it well.

May not sound like much but he convinced me.

 

[gkmacca]

I thought Carra still had a badge to earn. Maybe I'm wrong about that. I was a bit disappointed when he said recently that he wouldn't be interested in working with the younger players for a period because he wouldn't have the patience - surely that's part of the job - but I agree it makes sense to draw him into the backroom staff. I suppose there's a danger he could carry over his on-field manner and be a bit like Thommo, but he seems very thoughtful about the game, and managers, and could well confound those expectations and become a very cool and shrewd operator,

 

[the count]

What I liked about Carra as a younger player, especially when playing the left back role, was that he seemed to learn well from his mistakes.
I seem to recall a few games where he got roasted by the opposing right winger/midfielder in the first half only to have the same player in his pocket in the second.

 

[gkmacca]

I've sat with the man for over an hour, & bar an obligatory 5 minutes when he asked about me he spoke about nothing but football. He watches every level you can imagine & has an understanding of the game I've never even remotely come across before, when I got the balls (after two pints) I asked him about Henry turning him inside out time & again that game they got three against us, how it effected him, he said following that he watched it over & over, studying his movement & tries to do it with every player he'll face.

Regards tactics he spoke about why rafa played certain personnel in certain ways & said he loved the fact rafa went out of his way to explain tactical decisions & how different managers liked to line up he spoke a lot about pressing all over the pitch being key & gave examples of teams at the time using it well.

May not sound like much but he convinced me.

That's very interesting.

 

[spider-Neil]

Regards tactics he spoke about why rafa played certain personnel in certain ways & said he loved the fact rafa went out of his way to explain tactical decisions & how different managers liked to line up he spoke a lot about pressing all over the pitch being key & gave examples of teams at the time using it well.

and yet carra often dropped deep which in turn forced the rest of the team to follow suit. fair play to carra though for understanding the need to play a certain way.

 

[FoxForceFive]

and yet carra often dropped deep which in turn forced the rest of the team to follow suit. fair play to carra though for understanding the need to play a certain way.

That particular part of the conversation (well, him speaking actually!) was about how fergie gets his teams to play.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I've sat with the man for over an hour, & bar an obligatory 5 minutes when he asked about me he spoke about nothing but football. He watches every level you can imagine & has an understanding of the game I've never even remotely come across before, when I got the balls (after two pints) I asked him about Henry turning him inside out time & again that game they got three against us, how it effected him, he said following that he watched it over & over, studying his movement & tries to do it with every player he'll face.

Regards tactics he spoke about why rafa played certain personnel in certain ways & said he loved the fact rafa went out of his way to explain tactical decisions & how different managers liked to line up he spoke a lot about pressing all over the pitch being key & gave examples of teams at the time using it well.

May not sound like much but he convinced me.

Ok - I'm sold.

Ryan - good idea.

 

[spider-Neil]

That particular part of the conversation (well, him speaking actually!) was about how fergie gets his teams to play.

it's very hard for me to disassociate a player from a coach, for me if a player plays a certain way he'll coach the same way. obviously this may not be the case but that's how I see it.

 

[gkmacca]

There's talk of Woy taking Phil Neville with England as part of his coaching staff. Carra would certainly be a better choice than him!

 

[FoxForceFive]

it's very hard for me to disassociate a player from a coach, for me if a player plays a certain way he'll coach the same way. obviously this may not be the case but that's how I see it.

It isn't the case Neil.

See John Barnes, Mark Hughes, Roy Keane, Ferguson, Wenger or countless others.

 

[the count]

There is a nice sense of continuity to the idea,.
Carra comes on board as one of the backroom team and in five or six years time when Kenny is ready to retire, Jamie steps up to the number one spot.
The Liverpool way.
Like it.

 

[gkmacca]

It's been mooted for ages - it was one of the first things Kenny was asked when he became manager again - but it's always made sense. I have no idea what Kevin Keen does but presumably he'd be the one to make way for Jamie.


This was from last year:

On whether the No.23 would now take a coaching role, he said: "Carragher is doing his badges, he did them at the Academy. I am sure long term he wants to get involved in football and I'm sure he will.

"As I've said, there will be discussions that happen after this but right at this moment in time the appointment of Steve (Clarke) is all we've got to say.

"That's not to dismiss in any way, shape or form anything else you have in your mind.

"There are answers that have to be given but unfortunately today we haven't been given enough time to give definitive answers."

 

[StevieM]

it's very hard for me to disassociate a player from a coach, for me if a player plays a certain way he'll coach the same way. obviously this may not be the case but that's how I see it.

Let me help you there.

John Barnes.

Now if you're still having trouble disassociating player from coach, then there's something wrong with you.

 

[gkmacca]

Let me help you there.

John Barnes.

Now if you're still having trouble disassociating player from coach, then there's something wrong with you.

I don't quite get that. If you're talking about attitude and values, hasn't Digger tried to coach in the style that he played? Granted it hasn't worked.