Lets be honest, our track records on Italian players has been abysmal, but going forward players from Seria A could be heck of a lot cheaper than say players other comparable leagues.
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How did you reach that conclusion?
Napoli turned down £50m and then £58m at the end of the window from chelsea for a defender who's not the most well known in the world..
Higuain also went For stupid money, albeit to another Italian side.. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.So what makes you think seria A is some sort of bargain bin?
Higuain also went For stupid money, albeit to another Italian side.. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.So what makes you think seria A is some sort of bargain bin?
Exactly. I think there are at least 3 different foreign markets for players, which operate by different rules:
- The Northern-European market (Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, Poland and some other Eastern European countries) – deals are done mostly at fair prices, agents don't hold much sway, many players have low release clauses (although that's starting to change).
- The Southern-European market (Italy, Portugal, Spain) – big name agents control most of the market and football-related media (to strategically create hype around certain players). The prices for top talents are double or triple that for comparable players from the NE market, but players in the tier below are actually quite cheap for the quality.
- South-American/Eastern European market (Brazil, Argentina, Ukraine, Russia, Middle East) – most good players are either owned by third party investors or tied down to long contracts with oligarch/mafia types, they are willing to sell but prices are high.
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This is a mental poll, and the fact no is winning makes it even more insane.
We should be aiming to have the best scouts in the world and we should be scouting every league, pub football team and playground to get the best players we can possibly get. Ruling out an entire league due to a few bad signings under different regimes is plain stupid. Ruling out particular nationalities is stupid (i.e. we could have made a strong case for avoiding Senegal players prior to this season).
We should be aiming to have the best scouts in the world and we should be scouting every league, pub football team and playground to get the best players we can possibly get. Ruling out an entire league due to a few bad signings under different regimes is plain stupid. Ruling out particular nationalities is stupid (i.e. we could have made a strong case for avoiding Senegal players prior to this season).
Someone once said that the definition of madness is continuing to do the same thing and hoping the outcome will be different. Ruling out whole nationalities for no reason would indeed be stupid. Ruling out signing further Italian players because of Aquilani, Dossena, Padelli, Borini and Balotelli is anything BUT "stupid" - it's learning from experience. Not knowing why something happened doesn't mean you pretend it didn't.
The Senegal comparison doesn't work BTW. We only signed two of them previously and both were signed at the same time, not over the period of years that that list of Italian players represents.
The Senegal comparison doesn't work BTW. We only signed two of them previously and both were signed at the same time, not over the period of years that that list of Italian players represents.
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This why I voted yes. You can't disregard an entire country based on poor signings you yourself are responsible of making.
There are loads of examples of successful Italians who have played in the prem: Cudicini, Zola, Carbone, Ravanelli, Di Matteo, Vialli, Di Canio, Dalla Bona (who flopped when he went back to Italy), the less famous players like Pistone, Festa etc.
As for the Liverpool examples you list,
Borini and Balotelli had both played in England. One quite clearly had mental issues, and the other looked nothing but average.
Aquilani was an injury prone wreck in Italy, but we still signed him
And allegedly, our manager didn't even watch Dossena play, he just went on the scouts recommendation and watched a few videos.
Every one of those are scouting and transfer decision making issues. To rule out an entire nationality due our scouting / transfer inefficiencies is stupid.
The Italian sample size of 4 isn't that much bigger. Bigger (7?) if you include the kids, but most of them have went on to better things.
EDIT: I Didn't notice that you included Padelli. Young Italian goalkeeper that arrived at the same time as Reina (one of our best ever keepers, and signed for a large fee), Bit unfair to list him as a failure given he's had a very decent career and 99.9% of all young keeper would have struggled to get into the team given that same situation.
I think the Italy team is quite grey and more a team than a bunch of stars. They look a solid unit and they have a great game this eve. For some reason I think they build this unit through performances in Serie A, hence I can't see who we should look at. But by all means- if There are some players standing out that prefers a half decent cheeseburger and pint of carlsberg over the truffles and Barolo so why not?
Padelli was a loan signing.
Italian footy is worse than curling. Tedious beyond.
If they are female, without a doubt... Yes
So you want us to sign female players for the male first team? If its for the female team, then do you ever watch female footy?
All of their current defenders in their national team would make a strong case to be certain starters in our team.
They have time and time again produced world class keepers.
Now and then a real magician in the old number 10 role pops up. Etc.
We should NEVER ever base our future judgment on players on what history has learned us because history has mainly learned us, that those Italians we did buy was not good enough. Not even remotely the same as saying that the next ones we buy would be equally poor. I am honestly baffled by this conclusion made by some.
They have time and time again produced world class keepers.
Now and then a real magician in the old number 10 role pops up. Etc.
We should NEVER ever base our future judgment on players on what history has learned us because history has mainly learned us, that those Italians we did buy was not good enough. Not even remotely the same as saying that the next ones we buy would be equally poor. I am honestly baffled by this conclusion made by some.
Exactly.
Say, if the club plaid me a handsome fee (like £10,000 quid, I'd still be like the cheapest scout in the world) I'd happily watch all of the Serie A games this season and come back with three envelopes with three names that would be awesome additions to our club.
Facile.
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I don't even think there are three to be honest. Top of mind, I can only recollect a youngster at Reggiana. Or Something. Not exactly Liverpool material I guess.
You mean 'in the future' or 'from now on'.
He means "going forward players" as opposed "passing it sideways and back to Mignolet" players
As for the others above, his career elsewhere is beside the point. His career at Liverpool is what's at issue, and other young keepers in similar circs.here have been kept around long enough at least to be tried in some Cup games and/or sent on loan.
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