Job security - arne

[Modo]

I don't know? do you? He is the first "coach" we have had since Klopp decided to call it a day when I assume they decided Data Nerds decided to come back. I have no idea if Hughes basically decided to sign a load of players and informed Slot, make it work. But would never would have happened under Klopp so assume Slot was brought in as someone whom would be more of a Corporate puppet without being disrespectful to him.

I do, and yes. He's definitely consulted. That's how it works. Klopp explained how it works in an interview. They give him a list of options and he has an input. He also made requests which they evaluate. Its not like Slot just shows up at the AXA and is surprised to see Isak there.

 

[Farkmaster]

A couple little things:

I think the entire teams attitude to winning the league and the games thereafter were shit. I think the managers attitude was too.

I think the myth of Edwards featuring the analysts has been slaughtered. They're just differently branded people making decisions that are often wrong about something that's quite subjective and uncertain, using lots of money. Since they put this system in place, they should be getting much of the same criticism slot is, and, they'll be heavily incentized to sack him and get someone who makes those decisions not look quite so much of a fucking car crash.

I think we aren't fit enough, and the management of the fitness of players like macca hasn't been remotely good and it began last year after we won.

 

[rubans]

I do, and yes. He's definitely consulted. That's how it works. Klopp explained how it works in an interview. They give him a list of options and he has an input. He also made requests which they evaluate. Its not like Slot just shows up at the AXA and is surprised to see Isak there.

Consulted means fck all though. It's basically probably same as being told at work someone new is coming in. Consulted is nto same as what you said, "He's spent over £400 mill this summer.". Is he ultimately responsible for that spend? you are letting awful lot of decision makers above him get away with it. I think we can justifiably ask Slot to integrate those signings but signing injury prone 130m 1 1/2 season wonder isn't one. Secondly he doesn't have the same role as Klopp, Slot came in as "coach". You can't put it all in on him. Especially glorified consultants like Edwards whom is back under some weird MCO deal makes me uncomfortable. There was a reason Klopp made a decision mid season which was unlike him.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I do, and yes. He's definitely consulted. That's how it works. Klopp explained how it works in an interview. They give him a list of options and he has an input. He also made requests which they evaluate. Its not like Slot just shows up at the AXA and is surprised to see Isak there.

I don't know if it's significant, but Klopp was manager, Slot is Head Coach. I would take that to mean that Slot's has a smaller remit, but don't know for sure.

 

[MomoWASright]

Talk of sacking is beyond ridiculous. There are many issues to solve but only ¼ season has gone. Plenty of time to sort this out and finish Top 4. The squad is full of quality players. However the title looks like a million miles away.

Going into every game playing the same shit and expecting it to change is ridiculous.

 

[localny]

Lads have a reaction. That’s fine.

But calling for a manager to resign who just won us the league is beyond ridiculous

We have amazing players and it’s not like in the past where we were utter shite in 6//11 positions.

It’s a first world footballing problem - too much talent. Give it a little to settle. Don’t be a like a fair weather Chelsea fan - be a loyal Liverpool fan. We stand by our managers a few months after they won the league

 

[Modo]

Consulted means fck all though. It's basically probably same as being told at work someone new is coming in. Consulted is nto same as what you said, "He's spent over £400 mill this summer.". Is he ultimately responsible for that spend? you are letting awful lot of decision makers above him get away with it. I think we can justifiably ask Slot to integrate those signings but signing injury prone 130m 1 1/2 season wonder isn't one. Secondly he doesn't have the same role as Klopp, Slot came in as "coach". You can't put it all in on him.

So Slot had nothing to do with it is your stance?

 

[rurikbird]

I'll stick up for Slot. Winning a title in his first season should guarantee him time to find a solution – sure he's making mistakes, but it's hard not to when you suddenly can't trust several of the team's best players (Salah, Macca etc) while also integrating a bunch of new signings. I still think most of this summer's signings, except maybe one or two, will come good - and Slot will find a functional system at some point this season. As long as finish in the CL spots I think he's safe.

 

[localny]

Going into every game playing the same shit and expecting it to change is ridiculous.

Agreed. Persisting with Mo is ridic. Arne seems so slow to adapt

 

[localny]

Look at City. Signed new players, had a changing of the guard and they’ve needed a season to adapt. Our expectations are perhaps too high.

 

[rubans]

So Slot had nothing to do with it is your stance?

I assume he was probably told he was getting specific players from a positions he asked for but no I don't think he chose every single one of those players and definitely don't see it his decision to spend £400 mill/ Being consulted is not as demanding those specific players.

 

[bluebell]

I have a feeling thats the last of the losses for a while. Slot has earned a free pass this season imho

 

[Farkmaster]

Lads have a reaction. That’s fine.

But calling for a manager to resign who just won us the league is beyond ridiculous

We have amazing players and it’s not like in the past where we were utter shite in 6//11 positions.

It’s a first world footballing problem - too much talent. Give it a little to settle. Don’t be a like a fair weather Chelsea fan - be a loyal Liverpool fan. We stand by our managers a few months after they won the league

Edit: except Roy

I don't think we've bought remarkable talent.

It IS a first world footballing problem, it's footballing gout. Lazy, defensively unsound, lacking in aggression, all in favor of chasing a little extra sugar. I wonder if I forgot about rice, or potatoes, or beans, or meat, and could fit in an pastry?

The purchases follow that pattern. So do the outgoings.

Elliot would have had no less an impact than wirtz. Isak horrendously overinflated due to a lack of any quality strikers in this generation, and worst of all, getting rid of Diaz who we in no uncertain terms told to fuck off.

I said it before this season. How do you fit less press and less defensive contribution into a team with Salah without running us ragged.

Well, you don't.

 

[Number21]

Saying lay off Slot & give him time is of course fair enough but if he doesn't turn it around soon he'll be gone. We simply can't carry on like this.

Those late winners early on in the season have bought him some time because if it looks like CL qualification is in jeopardy he'll be gone. That will not be tolerated & nor should it be regardless of him winning the league.

 

[localny]

I don't think we've bought remarkable talent.

It IS a first world footballing problem, it's footballing gout. Lazy, defensively unsound, lacking in aggression, all in favor of chasing a little extra sugar. I wonder if I forgot about rice, or potatoes, or beans, or meat, and could fit in an pastry?

The purchases follow that pattern. So do the outgoings.

Elliot would have had no less an impact than wirtz. Isak horrendously overinflated due to a lack of any quality strikers in this generation, and worst of all, getting rid of Diaz who we in no uncertain terms told to fuck off.

I said it before this season. How do you fit less press and less defensive contribution into a team with Salah without running us ragged.

Well, you don't.

No argument on much of this. But at Liverpool we give successful managers time to fix.

Social media hysterics shouldn’t dictate anything less. Arne will straighten it out.

 

[Farkmaster]

This whole in or out thing is very modern football.

It doesn't matter what your opinion is, if he can't make it look like everyone above him didn't make a series of horrible decisions, culminating in embarrassing failure, then of course he'll get sacked.

If he doesn't, then the question would be like why did you spend a quarter of a fucking billion dollars of our money badly. No one wants that meeting! So he will be gone in that circumstance. It's as simple as that.

I don't even have to have an opinion on it.

 

[mom]

He’s toast. He showed tonight he is winging it. Takes off both full backs, to put Szoboszlai there. Only to 10 minutes later put Gomez at right back to move Szoboszlai back in the centre.

Yeh that was worrying

 

[Halmeister]

First things first... We're a ways off from him getting sacked, and rightfully so. He's just won the league. However, we have firmly moved from "untouchable" to, erm, "touchable".

Hindsight is 20/20, and looking back now, I think we can start to reframe things and see them for what they actually were. Last season, I was a bit unsure of Slot's gimmick, so to speak, but he had seemed to take the finer points of Klopp's frenzied, emotional heavy metal football, and blend it with a cool, composed tactical approach. A marriage of two styles. The best of both worlds. Now, looking back, I'm not so sure. Anyone remember the Everton side under Roberto Martinez about twelve years ago? They had the solidity of Moyes and the technical flair of Martinez for one really good season. Then Martinez stayed longer and longer, got his grubby little paws well and truly into that team, and eventually that solidity crumbled, and the technical flair became aimless tiki-taka bellendery for the sake of it. I feel we're in a similar position. The longer Slot has had this team, the worse we're getting...

People talk about how we've been poor this season. But it's not just this season. We've been rubbish since about March, and any results we did seem to get, seemed to come about through "vibes" and fear factor. That's well and truly gone now. We could've easily lost all 9 league games this season. That's not even hyperbole. Any games we have won have mostly been last minute winners after the original tactical plan went out the window, and Slot resorted to throwing 5 attackers on and hoping for the best. Where's the cool, calm tactician of last season? Was he ever really there in the first place?

Someone said he was winging it. Someone else said that the longer he's had this team, the worse we've gotten. Our defence is porous. Our attack is bereft of ideas. In possession there doesn't seem to be any discernible plan. All our players are regressing. What is Slot actually doing? I'm not sure. He has a bit more time to show us what he's working on. But there's definitely a deadline on that, and it's approaching fast.

I didn't think he was winging it last season. Now? I'm not so sure...

 

[binomial]

I have a feeling thats the last of the losses for a while. Slot has earned a free pass this season imho

Tell the owners about Snot getting a “free pass” and see how they like it.

 

[Farkmaster]

Tell the owners about Snot getting a “free pass” and see how they like it.

We can't afford to not get cl, and it's as simple as that.

 

[Farkmaster]

Hindsight is 20/20, and looking back now, I think we can start to reframe things and see them for what they actually were. Last season, I was a bit unsure of Slot's gimmick, so to speak, but he had seemed to take the finer points of Klopp's frenzied, emotional heavy metal football, and blend it with a cool, composed tactical approach. A marriage of two styles. The best of both worlds. Now, looking back, I'm not so sure. Anyone remember the Everton side under Roberto Martinez about twelve years ago? They had the solidity of Moyes and the technical flair of Martinez for one really good season. Then Martinez stayed longer and longer, got his grubby little paws well and truly into that team, and eventually that solidity crumbled, and the technical flair became aimless tiki-taka bellendery for the sake of it. I feel we're in a similar position. The longer Slot has had this team, the worse we're getting...

The biggest part of this for me is our pressing. Slot enjoyed Klopps training on that front, and it just sort of petered out, we instead just completely sat back in some games. Now we've got a new front three a new am and the only continuity is the only forward who didn't press. Can he coach them how to do it? Doesn't look like it.

 

[binomial]

We can't afford to not get cl, and it's as simple as that.

Look at the state of us, clueless manager, clueless backroom staff, half the squad unfit or injured, players who are fit have no interest of stepping up, Mo Salah, 5 losses in 6 and the rot is only just starting.

CL is a pipedream, sooner you make peace with that the easier you'll sleep at night.

 

[Halmeister]

The biggest part of this for me is our pressing. Slot enjoyed Klopps training on that front, and it just sort of petered out, we instead just completely sat back in some games. Now we've got a new front three a new am and the only continuity is the only forward who didn't press. Can he coach them how to do it? Doesn't look like it.

Yeah that's a pretty big one, too. Honestly, you could dissect our tactics until the cows come home. It's just a mess all over. Every aspect of a tactical plan has gotten worse. Transition, attack, defence, pressing, cohesion, Identity, style etc etc. We've been found out, and Slot has to come up with something else. I'm not sure he has anything else...

I'm starting to think we won the league by default last year. There was nobody challenging, really. And once you get that fear factor and momentum, you win games before you've even kicked a ball. I think that also adds to everything I said in my longer post earlier, as well.

 

[peekay]

First things first... We're a ways off from him getting sacked, and rightfully so. He's just won the league. However, we have firmly moved from "untouchable" to, erm, "touchable".

Hindsight is 20/20, and looking back now, I think we can start to reframe things and see them for what they actually were. Last season, I was a bit unsure of Slot's gimmick, so to speak, but he had seemed to take the finer points of Klopp's frenzied, emotional heavy metal football, and blend it with a cool, composed tactical approach. A marriage of two styles. The best of both worlds. Now, looking back, I'm not so sure. Anyone remember the Everton side under Roberto Martinez about twelve years ago? They had the solidity of Moyes and the technical flair of Martinez for one really good season. Then Martinez stayed longer and longer, got his grubby little paws well and truly into that team, and eventually that solidity crumbled, and the technical flair became aimless tiki-taka bellendery for the sake of it. I feel we're in a similar position. The longer Slot has had this team, the worse we're getting...

People talk about how we've been poor this season. But it's not just this season. We've been rubbish since about March, and any results we did seem to get, seemed to come about through "vibes" and fear factor. That's well and truly gone now. We could've easily lost all 9 league games this season. That's not even hyperbole. Any games we have won have mostly been last minute winners after the original tactical plan went out the window, and Slot resorted to throwing 5 attackers on and hoping for the best. Where's the cool, calm tactician of last season? Was he ever really there in the first place?

Someone said he was winging it. Someone else said that the longer he's had this team, the worse we've gotten. Our defence is porous. Our attack is bereft of ideas. In possession there doesn't seem to be any discernible plan. All our players are regressing. What is Slot actually doing? I'm not sure. He has a bit more time to show us what he's working on. But there's definitely a deadline on that, and it's approaching fast.

I didn't think he was winging it last season. Now? I'm not so sure...

I posted this in April:

First of all, I cannot express how grateful I am to Slot and his team, FSG, and the background team, for everything they did to get us to this point. If you had asked me at any point between 2000 and 2013, I honestly didn't think I would see us lift the PL once in my lifetime, let alone twice. With one more win, Slot, in my opinion, enters the pantheon of LFC great managers - Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, King Kenny, Rafa, Klopp, and now Slot. One more face in that flag.

Having said that, do you think the current style of play is sustainable? I am deliriously happy about what we are going to witness and at the same time worried about what comes next? In terms of the eye test, we are failing miserably. We are out of all cup competitions, playing one game a week. It seems like any half-competent manager with a half-decent squad, with a little bit of physicality, and we can lose. Is tiredness still an excuse? Will two or three signings fix this or is this a fundamental approach issue. If we start the next season with the same attitude, there's a decent chance that our outcomes will regress to the mean and be reflected in our points total.

If it's not on the manager and this squad consistently falls off the cliff in late winter and early spring, maybe we should look at large-scale replacement. We are going to be the PL champions and there has been no statement display in the last month. We are tentative for the most part and the nervousness is seeping into the fans and the atmosphere. I don't mind losing to Newcastle in the cup final or going out to PSG in the Champions League. What bothers me is that we could have replayed the final and the two Champions League legs, and I'm not confident the result would have been any different.

I know on these boards, discussions often devolve into you having to be on one side or the other with nothing in between. I am also going to get pelters from some posters and others are going to provide a whole loads of statistics claiming I am wrong. Is anyone else in the same boat as me - incredibly delighted and grateful for what we are about to witness and still scratching their head and worried about the future?

https://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/is-this-sustainable.213546/

Posted a follow-up on October 8th

I posted this in April: https://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/is-this-sustainable.213546/

Several posters agreed with the general sentiment that we had not been at our best since around the PSG ties. My concern is that our squad had muscle memory of Klopp'ball when the last season began. When Slot introduced his tweaks, it was on the base of what Klopp had built , and the result was brilliant. Slot definitely deserves credit for that.

But as the memory of Klopp's tactics starts fading, how will Slot adapt? That is still an open question for me. We saw that at Everton 10 years ago. Martinez had a very good first season when he introduced his attacking tactics on the foundation of Moyes' defense. But second season onwards, things started to unravel.

Posters have complained about players not being able to make simple passes and have blamed it on the players. Often, that is a sign of a confused team that doesn't know what to do. I am a bit worried about Wirtz signing, but I am confident he can play a simple pass to where he wants to. While I appreciate proactive substitutions, the fact that we are making substitutions at a higher frequency immediately after the first half shows that our preparation is not where it needs to be.

When our great team under Klopp was built, we prioritized pace, fire, and technical ability for the wide players - Mane, Salah. Gakpo and Wirtz are unexciting in that regard. Not sure why we dropped that approach.

Most of our summer signings are system players who require the right environment and tactics to excel. Ekitike possesses individual qualities - pace and finishing, which will shine in any system. No wonder he looks the best of the summer signings. Given the outlay in the summer, we should have had more of the "will take the attack to the opposition and drag the team to victory irrespective of the tactics" attackers.

 

[Modo]

Look at the state of us, clueless manager, clueless backroom staff, half the squad unfit or injured, players who are fit have no interest of stepping up, Mo Salah, 5 losses in 6 and the rot is only just starting.

CL is a pipedream, sooner you make peace with that the easier you'll sleep at night.

Yeah, he's no Rafa when it comes to European football.

 

[Shadey]

I thought the back end of last season was just a downward curve from winning the league but it’s continued which v worrying I really can’t see how he can turn this around.

 

[Modo]

Post in thread 'Is this sustainable?' https://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/is-this-sustainable.213546/post-2412319

Damn it

 

[LarryHagman]

We aren't going to get CL next season, we're not good enough.

 

[rurikbird]

The biggest part of this for me is our pressing. Slot enjoyed Klopps training on that front, and it just sort of petered out, we instead just completely sat back in some games. Now we've got a new front three a new am and the only continuity is the only forward who didn't press. Can he coach them how to do it? Doesn't look like it.

To be fair, it's pretty hard to press when everyone plays long ball against us. Teams in the EPL (unlike Frankfurt) are not fucking about with possession in their defensive 3rd any more. We do need to improve our ability to pick up second balls. This is where Arsenal's idea of playing with 4 CBs across the back line makes sense.

 

[Holle]

He's fucking inept and moreover he's a total arsehole.

Fuck off and take Salah with you.