I have no idea but I think it’s outrageous that any fan isn’t giving this manager the time to show us.
It’s always darkest right before the dawn.
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It’s always darkest right before the dawn.
When Iraola walks through the door as that shining light.
It doesnt help that: Wirtz looks like a 15 year old boy running around the place; Isak has utterly gone missing; Mac Allister is a fucking busted flush; Salah has fallen off a cliff; VVD looks wobbly; Kerkez is total shite; Alisson is injured; Jones is still just Jones; Frimpong is a bench warmer at best. Anyone would have a tough time making us look good at the moment.
He’s had 18 months to create a playing style and identity, set of tactics and instructions.
When everyone looks bad, its bad coaching though, and a bad team environment.
Absolutely.
It's the manager's job to make his players play well. These aren't bad players
That’s the worry
It’s bad right now, but Christ are you lot negative.
Him winning the league does buy him time.
I’m more pissed off with our recruitment team bringing in what looks to be two underwhelming fullbacks, along with an injured, overpriced striker. Though I do still have hope Isak will come good. We have to give it a few months at least, surely.
Obviously we’d all take Klopp back in a heartbeat but that’s not happening.
Him winning the league does buy him time.
I’m more pissed off with our recruitment team bringing in what looks to be two underwhelming fullbacks, along with an injured, overpriced striker. Though I do still have hope Isak will come good. We have to give it a few months at least, surely.
Obviously we’d all take Klopp back in a heartbeat but that’s not happening.
I don't think I'm being negative at all.
The thing that's being negative are our performances and now, inevitably our results.
Again, people saying we have to give it x months. It's wholly dependent on results, and it's wholly not up to me. If they think he's fucking up to the extent that we are out of the cl, they will act. If we can't start winning, they will act.
you’re always negative these days Fark
I think if we drop out of the top four we are royally fucked. That amount of outlay plus what we need to do next summer needs Champions League Football.
He’d be my preference if Slot goes.
I don’t agree. He used what Klopp left him and won a title when we all thought that squad was done.
For me the clock reset after the summer we had. If we are in the same position in 12 months then rightfully people should question him, not now though.
I would be inclined to agree apart from the reason he was brought in was because he wasn’t changing much. It’s been a cluster fuck all over because we aren’t keeping with what worked and nobody knows what we are trying to do.
There has to be some improvement soon in performance. Then points will come too.
He also has to show that he has a plan, play players to their strengths and find his balls and stop playing those out of form.
His moving Szob about, not setting up midfield to protect the defence and even putting Virgil up front gives me little hope. He doesn’t seem to know what he is doing.
He also has to show that he has a plan, play players to their strengths and find his balls and stop playing those out of form.
His moving Szob about, not setting up midfield to protect the defence and even putting Virgil up front gives me little hope. He doesn’t seem to know what he is doing.
He's clever but simply unrehearsed in dealing with adversity. Things go wrong and he responds with incoherence, both tactically and in his press conferences.
Whether he turns this around in the next few weeks will make or break him as a manager. Same for Amorim.
Fwiw, I think the same could happen to any of Iraola, Glasner, Howe, Cesc etc. It's different when you fall at Liverpool.
Whether he turns this around in the next few weeks will make or break him as a manager. Same for Amorim.
Fwiw, I think the same could happen to any of Iraola, Glasner, Howe, Cesc etc. It's different when you fall at Liverpool.
I said a while back it seems to me that no manager is more than about 5 games from the sack.
It really is pretty hilarious how quickly people can turn on a guy.
It really is pretty hilarious how quickly people can turn on a guy.
I think the single biggest problem is Salah. It was tricky cos he had that amazingly productive season last year while generally playing shit, so they'd have got slaughtered if they let him leave for nothing. So you can understand the mistake. But it's looking like it definitely was a mistake now. Adding a creative AM to a non-running Salah just seems to be too much for the team to accommodate. Fark and probably some other others said as much in the summer and have been proven right imo.
Whether he's got the balls to drop him, who knows.
Whether he's got the balls to drop him, who knows.
It’s fucking insane.
Who apart from absolute cunts would have said 5 games ago when we were top and 5 pts clear that 5 games later and a heap of injuries that 90% of the posters on here would be saying they want him gone, there is no way back and they never liked him.
Fuck me. Ungrateful cunts.
Or I dunno, change the system back to continue to get the best out of him. It’s not rocket science and clear nobody else can consistently fill the gap yet.
The only reason we liked him was his competence. Remove that and he's nothing. It's not like Klopp. He's dead sound so any periods in the shit felt like time to hunker down and support him. With this dude it's the opposite. Soz but that's just the way it is.
I think the team needs to transition. Even without Trent leaving it needed to, but even more so given that he did. So I think trying to rebuild the attack around a more traditional creator like Wirtz was a totally reasonable approach. But it doesn't look to me like Salah can be part of that approach. It's not looking good for Wirtz at all either, but given the potential loss we're staring at then we have to give it every chance of succeeding.
Even when we won those 5 games a lot people were saying we were lucky(which we were) and not playing well and that we can't keep getting away with it. Fact is we've been crap since we won the league. It was ignored because we won the league so the players switched off. But that has carried into preseason and into this season as well. His new system doesn't work as it leaves us so exposed its a joke. Plus outside of results he's not a likeable guy and i don't personally like his blunt style of calling out players to the press. So when you're not likeable and not getting results people's tolerance won't be that long. What makes it worse is that he just doesn't look like he knows what he's doing.
Last year, you went on and on about how great he was at skinning people etc ... It was shocking, as it was so blatantly obvious how he was no longer able to do this (sure it happened, but so little compared to what he used to do), how little respect he was given by defenders (rarely doubled) and how often his "run into a defender" dribbling style stopped better attacks.
It's more extreme now with Salah - father time is father time, and it's undefeated as they say.
And you want us to go back to the system last year? or a system where he has no defensive responsibilities, when we can't defend properly as is?
Salah has to be part of a team, but Farky's comment re: Ronaldo/Manure was spot on ... "they got the best out of him" but it fucked the team even more ... Should we do the same with Liverpool then?
I think it's mental.
The thing with Salah is there never seemed to be any dissent allowed. Obviously the numbers last season were brilliant, some of the goals outstanding and a lot of the assists really excellent too. But then loads of people would go from reasonable appreciation of that to claiming he was the best player in the world and how it's a disgrace he doesn't win the Golden Balloon etc. And I always just felt... really? This same dude I see barely touching the ball most weeks, running straight into defenders, misplacing simple passes etc. That guy?
Like, I'm pretty sure I've seen world class attackers before. Suarez, Gerrard, Torres. They don't look like that.
After a while the gaslighting just gets really annoying.
That's... Entirely possible.
However, aside from life, we haven't played good football in a while! I got used to seeing it. I don't think I'm entitled to it or anything, but we should be able to put something better than this together.
We've gone from being good for enough time and riding a bit of luck sitting back, to being good in a couple parts of s game and having enough luck, go being good in spurts and having some good individual players, to being a little naive, then desperately attack minded at the end of games and having good individual players, to being calamitous defensively and useless unless hopelessly open.
That's the trajectory of our rebuild. I want to see it turn around under slot, but he is close to being fatally wounded already by this.
