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jexykrodic said:
Qualifying for CL now looks risky and player sales is tricky given the number of senior players we have that we are unlikely to receive big money for should they leave before contracts end. Planning for this must be a complex matter, I wonder how they go about this?
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The football guys will have something resembling a long-term plan, with contracts, ages etc taken into account and some thought as to cost of replacements. We never really had access to that (and to be honest it would probably change 100 times during each window) but we would have a sense from a finance perspective of what we needed to do to stay in the rules. We'd do a rolling 5-year forecast which would consider compliance with FFP etc and highlight any pinch points.
 
Beamrider said:
The football guys will have something resembling a long-term plan, with contracts, ages etc taken into account and some thought as to cost of replacements. We never really had access to that (and to be honest it would probably change 100 times during each window) but we would have a sense from a finance perspective of what we needed to do to stay in the rules. We'd do a rolling 5-year forecast which would consider compliance with FFP etc and highlight any pinch points.
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Will be interesting to see what happens to Salah this summer. There is talk about the Saudis preparing huge offers for several players this summer, and Salah being one of them. Thats 20 mill + off the wage bill and maybe a large transfer fee coming our way if he moves.
 
Beamrider said:
My point was that with the (profitable) sales we made last summer, including Elliott, we were fine over the next three years (as we can count the profit in our calculations over that period) but once that profit drops out the wage and amortisation levels will be tricky. We'd either need to make more profitable sales at that point, or massively increase our turnover. Neither of those things are impossible, but they are risks.
FWIW, we'll probably be fine over the next three years even if we don't sell Harvey (or if we do so at a reduced gain this summer). But I'd be interested to see whether a new manager might try to find a role for him rather than sidelining him as Slot has done.
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We don’t even have anyone left to sell. We used to get some decent money for the kids but now we don’t even use them to put them in the shop window.
Hansern said:
Will be interesting to see what happens to Salah this summer. There is talk about the Saudis preparing huge offers for several players this summer, and Salah being one of them. Thats 20 mill + off the wage bill and maybe a large transfer fee coming our way if he moves.
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Salah won’t be going anywhere. All the Saudi talk went quiet ages ago.
 
As it stands, Salah moving on in the summer appears to be a certainty. I sincerely hope he re-finds, at least some semblance of, prior form before he leaves. He's been a truly awesome servant to the club
 
Momo said:
We don’t even have anyone left to sell. We used to get some decent money for the kids but now we don’t even use them to put them in the shop window.

Salah won’t be going anywhere. All the Saudi talk went quiet ages ago.
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The Saudi talk is still on. Was linked last week given one of the clubs there was given the green light for some massive spending.
 
I suspect we won't get much of a fee for Mo. The Saudis don't mind spending on wages, transfer fees not so much.
It'll be more a case of getting his wages off the books (but losing his commercial value) and removing someone who kicks up a stink when he gets dropped for being shit. With the attitude he seems to have at the moment, I don't see him turning his form around so there's no footballing reason to keep him.
 
Al-Nassr were prepared to bid up to 90 mill £ for Mitoma (with two years left on his deal).
I'll be surprised if we don't get a pretty decent fee for Salah, but just getting his wages off the books will be good.
 
Richey said:
I don't see why they would be prepared to pay anything.

We aren't bringing much to the negotiating table really and I doubt we'll be wanting to pay his salary for another year.
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.. whole year of massive exposure and sports washing. They'll pay
 
The other thing is that they are really good at putting out stories that they've paid big money for players, but the transfers involving us (Fabinho and Henderson) netted at most £37m (this is the sale proceeds implied from the reported figures in the accounts) but they were reported at a combined £52m. The difference could be add-ons but I suspect not. It's not uncommon that inflated numbers get out in the public domain and are never contradicted.
 
dee said:
.. whole year of massive exposure and sports washing. They'll pay
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Depends if we really do want to sell I suppose.

If we do want to sell then there is a buyer who wants to buy and a seller who wants to sell. What is there to push up the fee?

I guess the only thing would be other clubs wanting him too, and that's possible.
 
dee said:
.. whole year of massive exposure and sports washing. They'll pay
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Not sure re the exposure. Ronaldo has been there for what, 4 years now? I couldn't tell you for certain who he plays for or what their kit looks like, and this is a guy who's in the conversation for the GOAT. I don't keep an eye on how Mane and Fabinho are doing, and I have more time for them than I do for Mo.
Sure, having an Arab superstar will be huge for the league domestically, and possibly across the region and North Africa, but those aren't the territories talking about human rights abuses.
And I also think there is a chance Mo won't be too impressed about that either. Whatever my reservations about his ego, he's always seemed pretty decent to me and he takes his faith seriously - he wasn't willing to get involved in any commercial deals that went against his religious values (I remember us having to kick a potential financial tie-in into touch because it wasn't sharia compliant, for example).
 
Beamrider said:
Not sure re the exposure. Ronaldo has been there for what, 4 years now? I couldn't tell you for certain who he plays for or what their kit looks like, and this is a guy who's in the conversation for the GOAT. I don't keep an eye on how Mane and Fabinho are doing, and I have more time for them than I do for Mo.
Sure, having an Arab superstar will be huge for the league domestically, and possibly across the region and North Africa, but those aren't the territories talking about human rights abuses.
And I also think there is a chance Mo won't be too impressed about that either. Whatever my reservations about his ego, he's always seemed pretty decent to me and he takes his faith seriously - he wasn't willing to get involved in any commercial deals that went against his religious values (I remember us having to kick a potential financial tie-in into touch because it wasn't sharia compliant, for example).
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I think that just shows English fans are a bit out of touch. At my kids football club the two dominating kits in every age bracket at Messi and Ronaldo with Salah and Haaland not far behind. They have global reach especially to the younger fans outside of the tribalism of England.
 
Dreambeliever said:
I think that just shows English fans are a bit out of touch. At my kids football club the two dominating kits in every age bracket at Messi and Ronaldo with Salah and Haaland not far behind. They have global reach especially to the younger fans outside of the tribalism of England.
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If the Saudis want to use Mo to sports wash (which was the original point), I'm not sure it really matters that much to them what kids think, it's adults they need to convince. And most adults give zero fucks about their league and its players.
And I'd expect a lot of those kids wearing Ronaldo or Messi shirts are wearing their national ones, rather than club.
 
Dreambeliever said:
I think that just shows English fans are a bit out of touch. At my kids football club the two dominating kits in every age bracket at Messi and Ronaldo with Salah and Haaland not far behind. They have global reach especially to the younger fans outside of the tribalism of England.
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Are they wearing Inter Miami and Al-Nassr kits though?
 
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