And it doesn't solve our home grown issue. Best case scenario is that we replace Philips and Gomez with a young English CB.
Yeah, that's a big "if".Kumeto & Van Den Berg will be classed as home grown because they were snagged early enough and neither loaned out overseas.
If either make it.
Yer man we sold to Wolves as part of the Jotta deal would have been the same.
Then there’s Williams as well.
Not forgetting than other CB that we signed and never played that’s on loan at Sheffield Utd - he’s home grown.
If any of them actually make it, that is.
Yeah I agree.
Some say he looked better with Philips partnering him but it's probably because Klopp had a talk with him at half time.
I was a bit reluctant to say this before, but Gomez doesn't seem that intelligent on the pitch. His reading of the game is not good at all and his positioning is just OK.The thing is that his pace bailed him out before, he seems to have lost some of it so he looks even worse now. If we're being honest, Philips is the better defender at the moment and Klopp should acknowledge that by playing him more.
Yeah, that's a big "if".
The only young defender we wrote off that made a name for himself after leaving was Paletta and that Bilbao player.As always with young players - particularly defenders that tend to blossom late, probably because reading the game and experience is so important.
The only young defender we wrote off that made a name for himself after leaving was Paletta and that Bilbao player.
Can't think of anyone else.
Pfft he's shite.*cough* Connor Coady *cough*
No it's not. This is a big IFYeah, that's a big "if".
I know people don't like when other said I told you so. But the things I have highlighted in your post I have been saying for quiet sometime now... Just seems funny to me that if I say them I get all type of shit from somehere.
But Hey! It will not stop me from calling what I see
I know we’ve all been very impressed by Matip’s performances this season, and he is a good player - but he’s also been present in some performances where we’ve shipped a fair few goals.
He’s the one defender that’s been on the pitch every time we’ve conceded 2 or more goals this season - mostly alongside Van Dijk - but he was alongside Gomez for the Milan game.
There’s something that doesn’t quite seem to work for me when Matip & Van Dijk are together - SOMETIMES - Gomez has been at his most effective and I think Konate will too, alongside Van Dijk.
I don’t know whether it’s because Matip is the CB most likely to push forward with the ball at his feet and get out of position, whereas Van Dijk & Konate are more likely to hit one of the diagonal long passes forward and Gomez just holds his position more and plays simple short passes.
Gomez is also the only CB flexible enough to drop into any position across the back four - granted his RB showings have been disappointing.
Anyway - they all have a part to play and I always fall back to the fact that anyone is expendable and worth selling IF it means they’re getting replaced by someone that’s going to offer more or who is a better option.
Gomez strikes me as the sort of lad that isn’t going to spit the dummy entirely about not starting every game, but will train hard to get an opportunity - a good pro.
*cough* Connor Coady *cough*
Yes.Would Coady count as homegrown if we bought him? Could be a decent 3rd-4th choice CB.
Would Coady count as homegrown if we bought him? Could be a decent 3rd-4th choice CB.
Yes.
Currently, to be classified as homegrown one must be on an English team for at least three years before the age of twenty-one
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Problem is, Coady is slow as fuck.And I guess he would fulfill the “club trained” quota too, since he actually came through our Academy. If we could replace Gomez with Coady and bag an extra £20-25M in the process, that would be a smart piece of business, I think. Gomez is a good player, but he’s not someone who will anchor the team, he’s not someone who will be our new Van Dijk in 5 years. And the 2 long-term injuries are definitely a concern.
He's not club trained though.Problem is, Coady is slow as fuck.
You know what would be "good business"?
Keeping the homegrown defender who we already have that, who is quicker, younger and arguably better than Coady.
Philips.
Coady has found his level I think. I know it would be a nice story for him to come home and all that, but Gomez is far better.
Its the same people who were saying "get rid of Matip, he's made of crisps" 6 months agoYou guys saying hey rid of Gomez like your playing championship manager. Especially after last season I wouldn't be getting rid of any defenders so quickly. Maybe Gomez is happy to bide his time, I don't see the rush...
You guys saying hey rid of Gomez like your playing championship manager. Especially after last season I wouldn't be getting rid of any defenders so quickly. Maybe Gomez is happy to bide his time, I don't see the rush...
I'd have to assume this will be Milners last year in the squad, if he and Ox move on as expected then we would need to recruit 2 homegrown players to balance the squad numbers. From that perspective getting rid of Gomez makes very little sense unless there is a ready made option waiting to take his place but I don't think Nat Phillips or Rhys Williams are anywhere close to the level of Gomez.
I'd say Matip is most likely of the current 4 CBs to move on based on his age and the profile of the squad.
Have seen a lot more links to Kalvin Phillips popping up lately, which would make a lot of sense if this were to happen. I can't see why we'd look to shift Matip given his form over the last 18 months, good CBs are hard to find.