That makes no sense, so you want us to be back in debt?
John W Henry Speaks On The New Stadium Issue...
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Sounds like to me that they've decided not to build a new stadium.
I've probably got something mad wrong here because this is overheard in the pub and then maths off the top of my head, but if Sky just paid 3bn for 300 matches then that's 10m each. At Anfield the average ticket price must be around 65 quid and the average attendance is around 40,000, so the gate receipts are around 2.5m. Even if they doubled that with 70,000 people and lots more corporate it's still half what they're getting off the TV. And all the extra money just ends up going on massive contracts for players.
Say for example we stuck an extra 15,000 people in the ground for the whole season, that's less than 20m quid. I'd guess with the debt repayments you'd get less than half of that. Just don't spend 20m quid on wank like Henderson and Downing and you don't need a new stadium.
Say for example we stuck an extra 15,000 people in the ground for the whole season, that's less than 20m quid. I'd guess with the debt repayments you'd get less than half of that. Just don't spend 20m quid on wank like Henderson and Downing and you don't need a new stadium.
No, I'd like the owners to be in debt to fund the stadium.
If they truly believe they can get us to where we belong then they can take money out to their heart's content provided we stay competitive.
That makes no sense either, why should they be in debt? It serves no purpose other than feeding the debt collectors.
The new stadium, as Henry has said, is a bit of a white elephant. Good if it happens but it won't be the saviour for LFC financials. Winning trophies and selling merchandise is.
Because they're then showing faith in us.
Moores sold because he couldn't fund the stadium as he wasn't wealthy enough, ergo, the owners should be able to fund it, except they arent willing to, they want the club too. I don't mind us paying for it once we're back in the CL on a regular basis & challenging for honours every season so the club can afford too, they're responsibility is to bridge the gap in the meantime.
If you bought a small business that's what you'd do, but these guys just arent willing to, which annoys me, & worries me a little.
They've showed enough faith by getting rid of the huge debt the club was in, they've also played a way more sensible game than Moores or H&G in terms of the getting sponsors (Standard Chartered and Warrior), structuring the management and staff.
They are looking to get a correct business model in rather than pump in cash that could leave them insolvent and thus leave LFC insolvent.
Financial sense and good business acumen rather than a display of faith is what we want and they're doing it. Running LFC is not a small business, the numbers don't stack up for Henry and co to invest their own money.
Incorrect.
Moores owned 51% of the club. He couldn't finance a stadium unless a rights issue was to take place. That would usually require a 75% majority vote amongst shareholders. That was never really going to happen.
The only option open to him was to look for the club to borrow. Which wasn't possible then, wasn't possible under H&G and still isn't possible now.
And back then the reported cost of a new stadium was 'only' 80m odd quid. Sigh...
The stadium issue is one of the areas for which I wouldn't fault FSG. It's a huge decision, and it needs to be explored and thought-through as carefully as possible, and, unlike in some other areas, there have been plenty of signs that FSG have been doing that very seriously and assiduously, so I'm quite trusting. I think they'll get it right.
Anyone see Henry's tweet just now?
He put up link to Peter McGurk blog
John W. Henry @John_W_Henry
it's Liverpool: Anfieldhttp://petermcgurk.blogspot.com/search/label/Anfield
Keep calm and carry on walking on
Anfield will always be the place for passion and strong emotion but the tumult and riotous assembly off the pitch had been too much for too long.
The restoration of a Peter Robinson-like calm was needed. We need more right steps in more of the right order - a measured pace for a now generation. FSG’s legacy continues to build.
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The quiet and considered de-bunking of the stadium myth is the case in point. The club has charged about hither and tither. This way. That way. Higher, higher! More, more! - actually, less and less.
Even if the stadium had worked it wouldn’t have made the difference. It is not the be all and end all. It’s not the whole deal. Chasing Arsenal’s money is not it. Doubling the money from the stadium is not it. A total turnover (tv, commercial, matchday) ahead of Bayern, Barca and Real Madrid. That’s it.
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And Anfield is it. Investing clever money where loadsamoney don’t work. We are quietly and inexorably moving towards a renewed Anfield in a renewed club in a renewed community.
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We know we have to bring more money into the ground. We know we can’t wring any more money from hard-pressed pockets. The club can’t ask much more of us individually but the club can sell more of what we’ve got to more like us.
Not especially boxes. Liverpool is not that kind of place. Not especially that kind of fan. Premium seats yes - plenty of them. With great hospitality packages. Not more expensive. More of them.
Better standard seats yes, with better bars and sports bars and tv bars and, and... and cheaper seats for families and kids - with their own cafes. Their own comings and goings. Their place in a wider pricing structure. A multitude of ‘price entry points’. Something for everyone.
Something for the pub culture. Bring the pub into the match. A fan village for the locals - plugged into the stadium. An Anfield treasure trove for visitors. Starting the day earlier. Finishing it later. Making a day of it - or two.
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A simple stadium. Not a 'cheap' stadium - a cost-effective stadium. Large blocks of seating. Close to the pitch. Rising sharply. Clear and unobstructed views for everybody. Two 'tiers' on three sides. One Kop. Strong roof line. Dominant. Intimidating.
A masterplan for the next fifty years starting now. Growing as we grow. ‘Finished’ at every stage - stopping when we have enough.
It would be a great stadium. An awesome stadium. And all the better for being Anfield.
it's Liverpool: Anfieldhttp://petermcgurk.blogspot.com/search/label/Anfield
Keep calm and carry on walking on
Anfield will always be the place for passion and strong emotion but the tumult and riotous assembly off the pitch had been too much for too long.
The restoration of a Peter Robinson-like calm was needed. We need more right steps in more of the right order - a measured pace for a now generation. FSG’s legacy continues to build.
***
The quiet and considered de-bunking of the stadium myth is the case in point. The club has charged about hither and tither. This way. That way. Higher, higher! More, more! - actually, less and less.
Even if the stadium had worked it wouldn’t have made the difference. It is not the be all and end all. It’s not the whole deal. Chasing Arsenal’s money is not it. Doubling the money from the stadium is not it. A total turnover (tv, commercial, matchday) ahead of Bayern, Barca and Real Madrid. That’s it.
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And Anfield is it. Investing clever money where loadsamoney don’t work. We are quietly and inexorably moving towards a renewed Anfield in a renewed club in a renewed community.
***
We know we have to bring more money into the ground. We know we can’t wring any more money from hard-pressed pockets. The club can’t ask much more of us individually but the club can sell more of what we’ve got to more like us.
Not especially boxes. Liverpool is not that kind of place. Not especially that kind of fan. Premium seats yes - plenty of them. With great hospitality packages. Not more expensive. More of them.
Better standard seats yes, with better bars and sports bars and tv bars and, and... and cheaper seats for families and kids - with their own cafes. Their own comings and goings. Their place in a wider pricing structure. A multitude of ‘price entry points’. Something for everyone.
Something for the pub culture. Bring the pub into the match. A fan village for the locals - plugged into the stadium. An Anfield treasure trove for visitors. Starting the day earlier. Finishing it later. Making a day of it - or two.
***
A simple stadium. Not a 'cheap' stadium - a cost-effective stadium. Large blocks of seating. Close to the pitch. Rising sharply. Clear and unobstructed views for everybody. Two 'tiers' on three sides. One Kop. Strong roof line. Dominant. Intimidating.
A masterplan for the next fifty years starting now. Growing as we grow. ‘Finished’ at every stage - stopping when we have enough.
It would be a great stadium. An awesome stadium. And all the better for being Anfield.
Agree with all that.
If thats the lines Henry is thinking on ill be happy. Its the logical way to go & still fits the ethos of our club. I also dont have to shed tears seeing anfield torn down as I did when the Kop went, & shed yet more when I see a soulless bowl on Stanley Park being touted as our new home.
If thats the lines Henry is thinking on ill be happy. Its the logical way to go & still fits the ethos of our club. I also dont have to shed tears seeing anfield torn down as I did when the Kop went, & shed yet more when I see a soulless bowl on Stanley Park being touted as our new home.
Wtf is this drivel? Peter McGurk should focus a bit more on presenting some interesting and detailed arguments and a bit less on his mindblowingly pretentious, sub-sixth form style of writing.
Look at the economics of it. Building a 60 000 seater for 300M+ verses expanding Anfield by 15 000. Essential 15 000 new seats for 300M? New stadium = debt which will be offset by naming rights.
Makes sense to refurbish and expand as opposed to building a new stadium.
Makes sense to refurbish and expand as opposed to building a new stadium.
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