Joke Hole to Villa?
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please please please please please
I get that he's on huge wages, and hasn't contributed anything yet... but I don't get why people are so keen to see him go.
Why does everyone seem so sure that signing someone like Mata or Bastos from another league is guaranteed to be better than keeping Cole?
Sure, in the long run, there are alternatives who have age on their side, but for the short term there's nothing to suggest that any of them would produce more than Cole.
Why does everyone seem so sure that signing someone like Mata or Bastos from another league is guaranteed to be better than keeping Cole?
Sure, in the long run, there are alternatives who have age on their side, but for the short term there's nothing to suggest that any of them would produce more than Cole.
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=46118.msg1365517#msg1365517 date=1310724793]
I get that he's on huge wages, and hasn't contributed anything yet... but I don't get why people are so keen to see him go.
Why does everyone seem so sure that signing someone like Mata or Bastos from another league is guaranteed to be better than keeping Cole?
Sure, in the long run, there are alternatives who have age on their side, but for the short term there's nothing to suggest that any of them would produce more than Cole.
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Me too, I just don't get it.
He was a decent little player before he arrived, he did not have a full pre-season because of an existing injury, he got sent off in his first or second game and a very harsh ban, and then picked up a bad injury, since when he has been restricted to bit part cameos.
I would love to see him given half a chance.
I also wish people would get the concept of free transfer so big wages into their heads.
I said in another thread he may have cost us £6m in wages, but had we paid £6m for him we would have still had to pay a wage , so I reckon we are still £3m to the good, and he retains a decent amount of equity, give the lad a break
regards
I get that he's on huge wages, and hasn't contributed anything yet... but I don't get why people are so keen to see him go.
Why does everyone seem so sure that signing someone like Mata or Bastos from another league is guaranteed to be better than keeping Cole?
Sure, in the long run, there are alternatives who have age on their side, but for the short term there's nothing to suggest that any of them would produce more than Cole.
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Me too, I just don't get it.
He was a decent little player before he arrived, he did not have a full pre-season because of an existing injury, he got sent off in his first or second game and a very harsh ban, and then picked up a bad injury, since when he has been restricted to bit part cameos.
I would love to see him given half a chance.
I also wish people would get the concept of free transfer so big wages into their heads.
I said in another thread he may have cost us £6m in wages, but had we paid £6m for him we would have still had to pay a wage , so I reckon we are still £3m to the good, and he retains a decent amount of equity, give the lad a break
regards
Glad it's not just me.
It's not like I expect him to be great, I just don't get why people are so certain that we would be better off with 'unknowns'.
Mind you, I was just as confused by everyone calling the Downing signing a 'risk' and advocating Mata as more of a sure thing.
It's not like I expect him to be great, I just don't get why people are so certain that we would be better off with 'unknowns'.
Mind you, I was just as confused by everyone calling the Downing signing a 'risk' and advocating Mata as more of a sure thing.
agree with vlad and mamma
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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never a truer word said!
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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never a truer word said!
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46118.msg1365537#msg1365537 date=1310726640]
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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Yepp. He was poor coming off the bench at chel$ki in his last season there. My opinion is that he would need a sustained run of games to regain his form and fitness and we haven't got the luxury of allowing that, particularly when we have in form players competing for the places he might take.
Not arsed if he stays/goes.
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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Yepp. He was poor coming off the bench at chel$ki in his last season there. My opinion is that he would need a sustained run of games to regain his form and fitness and we haven't got the luxury of allowing that, particularly when we have in form players competing for the places he might take.
Not arsed if he stays/goes.
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=46118.msg1365535#msg1365535 date=1310726278]
I think he's a good footballer, I just don't particularly like him that's all.
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I like Cole but I just don't think he has it in him any more. I'm all for having a big squad but paying Cole Gerrard-money to sit on the bench is pretty wasteful. I'd rather have Suso on the bench.
I think he's a good footballer, I just don't particularly like him that's all.
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I like Cole but I just don't think he has it in him any more. I'm all for having a big squad but paying Cole Gerrard-money to sit on the bench is pretty wasteful. I'd rather have Suso on the bench.
I'd like to see him come good..
His age, injury record and positional limitations don't help his cause.. the fact that he is on such high wages makes him unattractive to other clubs and almost forces kenny to try and fit him into the starying 11.
I have no idea where he fits in...
Things would just be easier if be was sold.
Why was he offered so much? Paying free transfers an inflated wage causes nothing but trouble.
His age, injury record and positional limitations don't help his cause.. the fact that he is on such high wages makes him unattractive to other clubs and almost forces kenny to try and fit him into the starying 11.
I have no idea where he fits in...
Things would just be easier if be was sold.
Why was he offered so much? Paying free transfers an inflated wage causes nothing but trouble.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46118.msg1365537#msg1365537 date=1310726640]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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This.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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This.
[quote author=themn link=topic=46118.msg1365529#msg1365529 date=1310726041]
Vlad, please start a thread about the concept of "free transfer/big wages"
It's doing my tits in that people *still* bleat on about it.
People listen to you.
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I keep saying it , but they don't listen to me either. There are none so deaf as those that will not hear
regards
Vlad, please start a thread about the concept of "free transfer/big wages"
It's doing my tits in that people *still* bleat on about it.
People listen to you.
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I keep saying it , but they don't listen to me either. There are none so deaf as those that will not hear
regards
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46118.msg1365537#msg1365537 date=1310726640]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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'Open to the idea' is a different matter though, isn't it? I'm open to the idea of him leaving.
What I don't get is people who seem desperate to get rid and rejoice at every rumour of him leaving.
That, and the conviction that so many other players would definitely be better, despite having never proven a thing.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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'Open to the idea' is a different matter though, isn't it? I'm open to the idea of him leaving.
What I don't get is people who seem desperate to get rid and rejoice at every rumour of him leaving.
That, and the conviction that so many other players would definitely be better, despite having never proven a thing.
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=46118.msg1365550#msg1365550 date=1310732430]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46118.msg1365537#msg1365537 date=1310726640]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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'Open to the idea' is a different matter though, isn't it? I'm open to the idea of him leaving.
What I don't get is people who seem desperate to get rid and rejoice at every rumour of him leaving.
That, and the conviction that so many other players would definitely be better, despite having never proven a thing.
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To be fair Joe Cole hasn't proved a thing for us either except that he's finished as a elite player. His last good season was about 4 years ago
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46118.msg1365537#msg1365537 date=1310726640]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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He also adds something we have plenty of - added weight on the treatment table.
I get that some people would like to given him another chance but this whole "why are people soooooo desperate to get rid, I just don't get it!!!!" attitude is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
It's pretty obvious why people are very open to the idea of him leaving.
- he's injury prone
- has struggled to produce
- doesn't really have a position that he'd feel comfortable enough in to just slot back in and do the basics till he hits form
I couldn't care less whether he stays or goes to be honest.
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'Open to the idea' is a different matter though, isn't it? I'm open to the idea of him leaving.
What I don't get is people who seem desperate to get rid and rejoice at every rumour of him leaving.
That, and the conviction that so many other players would definitely be better, despite having never proven a thing.
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To be fair Joe Cole hasn't proved a thing for us either except that he's finished as a elite player. His last good season was about 4 years ago
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46118.msg1365530#msg1365530 date=1310726099]
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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cole looked out of his depth in the fucking reserves last year.
You need a squad if you want to compete. Cole's a league winner, a prolonged international, and adds something we don't have - unpredictability, a bit of skill, and is a great option off the bench.
I swear people on this site are convinced that outside "best 11" players aren't required.
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cole looked out of his depth in the fucking reserves last year.
He contributed about as much as Poulsen last season. It's no wonder people want him gone. I'm surprised that there are some who are shocked that others want him gone.
At present he is a liability, and the only time he seems to show up is against really really weak European opponents or in friendlies. So, i'm starting to think he is finished. One more season in the bench is not going to change that, but if we want a brand name on the bench as opposed to a useful option...i guess ya it's worth keeping him. If he is not able to dictate the game to the opposition, he is quite useless, as his defensive work was rubbish when he had the legs.....it's just worse now.
At present he is a liability, and the only time he seems to show up is against really really weak European opponents or in friendlies. So, i'm starting to think he is finished. One more season in the bench is not going to change that, but if we want a brand name on the bench as opposed to a useful option...i guess ya it's worth keeping him. If he is not able to dictate the game to the opposition, he is quite useless, as his defensive work was rubbish when he had the legs.....it's just worse now.
My problem with Cole is that I think he's irredeemably thick.
It's true, you sacrifice paying a lot for a player like Joe Cole by paying for his wages after getting him on a free. That also enables you to get out of the deal, that's part of the benefit as well, and after taking a look at where he's at now, it's safe to say it makes sense to get rid of him.
There's a reason that we got him on a free, and there's a reason that it would have been horrible business to spend 6M on him as someone suggested were he still on contract. He's a spent old force whose wages reflect his visibility but no longer his skill level. Whether you get him on a free or not, any money spent on him is wasted unless he offers something really useful at the price, and he just doesn't. We can't find a younger player that will be as useful as him but would have more potential?
Right now we are just throwing money away at the hope Joe Cole has some Indian summer. Then what? He's gone anyway. If Joe Cole wanted to show that he still has the ability to be of real relevance, to showcase the creative abilities he undoubtedly has had, all he had to do was play competently last season and he'd shine. Isn't that the point of old players anyway, they have leadership and a calm head, they find ways to win, all that bullshit? Young players get second chances. Old players we owe nothing to shouldn't.
There's a reason that we got him on a free, and there's a reason that it would have been horrible business to spend 6M on him as someone suggested were he still on contract. He's a spent old force whose wages reflect his visibility but no longer his skill level. Whether you get him on a free or not, any money spent on him is wasted unless he offers something really useful at the price, and he just doesn't. We can't find a younger player that will be as useful as him but would have more potential?
Right now we are just throwing money away at the hope Joe Cole has some Indian summer. Then what? He's gone anyway. If Joe Cole wanted to show that he still has the ability to be of real relevance, to showcase the creative abilities he undoubtedly has had, all he had to do was play competently last season and he'd shine. Isn't that the point of old players anyway, they have leadership and a calm head, they find ways to win, all that bullshit? Young players get second chances. Old players we owe nothing to shouldn't.
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Re: Joe Cole to Villa?
Dee change the thread-title please mate.
It's Joe Cole.
Dee change the thread-title please mate.
It's Joe Cole.
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