And our second place in the league told us what exactly about the future ?
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And our second place in the league told us what exactly about the future ?
for certain next season the league should be our number one priority and none of the people who are key to our season should play in the early CC games, uefa and even the fa cup if it falls too close to a league game.
We're not going to fight - at least not over something like this.
In this situation, I'd rather have the team (we agree on) with a trophy than 2nd place. I know Europe is important but I think to breed the attitude that has been sorely lacking from Liverpool over the past two decades, we need trophies. Trophies should breed confidence, a swagger etc ... I dunno, that's what I thought at least, I may be wrong.
I am not dismissive of what Rafa achieved here (25.5.2005, FA Cup, youth academy and bringing the best out of a few great players).
We need to do more next season - silverware + high league finish.
If I've not made sense, sorry.
Why though Neil? We wont win the league. We havnt to finances. We CAN win cups.
because we CAN qualify for the CL if we manage our squad better. we lost a key player in lucas in a CC game.
I dont really care about 4th place mate. Honestly I dont. If we were in the Champions league next year we would be a laughing stock.
I want to win every trophy we are in.
I think we do.
5 teams in the league have finances capable of winning the league. If we got our spending right we'd nick a title here or there.
Andy - why did you cancel out the Bilbao players?
Well, I know you're going to dazzle me now with financial analysis, but purely in terms of the team I think it told us we had the core of a team that would be capable of winning the league if we got just a couple of important recruitment decisions right. It also told us, quite clearly, that we had a manager who was capable of challenging for the title. We already knew he was capable of winning and regularly progressing to the final stages of the CL. So it told us the future was bright! The rest, of course, is history.
I dont disagree long term mate, but we are faaaaaar behind at the minute. We need at least a year to get back to the top four level and then maybe compete the year after.
*NB I will change all this when we sign one decent player in summer and start up the Army quick as a flash.
Read the last post in the Martinez thread. Ballgay has said we cant have them the weirdy beardy bellend.
That makes sense, but I'm not sure that winning trophies like the Carling Cup necessarily breeds some kind of mentality.
I agree. Too much of our money is still owed to clubs for shit players, and in wages to those shit players, right now.
That's perfectly clear, but I for one don't agree with it. I think a consistently high league placing would breed more confidence than any Cup win, Bigears included.
Don't think we're asking for glory...Just not to be a total laughing stock. A competitive, improving, bright Liverpool team is all i'd like to see.
If the team was built properly, yes. But this team has been built with players who don't really believe they belong, or have the right mentality. Trophies, I think, would breed more desire/confidence/belief in players like Carroll etc than a 3rd/4th place finish. I hope Kenny can use the trophy as a base - though judging by our league form since then, it seems to be of a burial place.
Do you read the post I quoted?
I should clarify: I voted "Yes", because he will always be the king to me. But I'm far from convinced that we should should give him another year, simply because of his legendary status. Firstly, it's patronising, and surely wouldn't sit well with Kenny anyway. After all, he'd be the first to tell you that no one is bigger than the club. And secondly, we are at a crossroads. As it stands, we are in grave danger of becoming a mainstay in the second tier of the division. If we want to reverse the decline, we cannot afford to take the wrong turn, or indeed gamble our future out of some sense of loyalty. I could understand if there'd been some signs of progress, but there hasn't. Far from reversing our fortunes, we've got progressively worse. There's been no consistency in our team selection, our tactics, anything. Too much faith has been shown in new signings who haven't delivered, and not enough in players who were instrumental in our good form during the second half of last season. It's not bad luck that has seen us fail to string together three consecutive wins in the league ALL season - it's poor management. It pains me to say it, but I don't think it's even controversial at this stage.
And before anyone says it - I understand that changing the manager is a risk. And by no means am I suggesting that we should change the manager for change's sake. I'm not really a betting man, so for me, it's about reducing that risk. If we are to replace Kenny, it has to be with someone who has a more recent track record of success, and therefore represents less of gamble. Preferably someone who knows what Liverpool is about, and can remind the players of it. I thought that person was Kenny, and think he deserved his shot at returning to management full-time after our revival last season. But it's an experiment that isn't working. Of course, we could press on against our better judgement and hope that it all comes good. My only fear is that if we do, it could put an end to any hope we have of returning to the Champions league in the near future, and leave a stain on the legacy of one of the club's finest servants.
And before anyone says it - I understand that changing the manager is a risk. And by no means am I suggesting that we should change the manager for change's sake. I'm not really a betting man, so for me, it's about reducing that risk. If we are to replace Kenny, it has to be with someone who has a more recent track record of success, and therefore represents less of gamble. Preferably someone who knows what Liverpool is about, and can remind the players of it. I thought that person was Kenny, and think he deserved his shot at returning to management full-time after our revival last season. But it's an experiment that isn't working. Of course, we could press on against our better judgement and hope that it all comes good. My only fear is that if we do, it could put an end to any hope we have of returning to the Champions league in the near future, and leave a stain on the legacy of one of the club's finest servants.
Yeah, that was my immediate thought too. Can we have some clarity on this please?
Is the question solely about one having faith/or not in Kenny as a Manager or what?
I did.
Good. I'm glad.
Did he say why we cant have them, the weirdy beardy bellend?
Just came across this:
okay, I chuckled at that gif.
Takes time to photoshop, but not to spell check.
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