Barcelona club president candidate hopeful Jordi Farre says talks have been held with Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp. (Sport - in Spanish)
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Klopp after LFC
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I can imagine how that conversation went.
JK - will I have funds?
JF - no
JK - will I have control over who I buy?
JF - no
JK - will I be sacked if I don't win everything in every year?
JF - yes
Let me think about it...
Didn't the same happen to Klopp initially? Before he got Mainz promoted (or was it after)?
We're getting close to a rebuild now ! If FSG don't let go of the purse strings then I can see us regressing.
Politicking.
The full conversation went :
JF : Jurgen would you be interested in taking over at Barca?
JK : No. Goodbye. *puts phone down*
Hadn't heard that. I do recall some suggestion of it, in the British media at any rate, when he announced he'd be leaving Dortmund but I don't think that was ever established. Klopp himself denied that tiredness was the reason for his departure so I suspect the idea was never really a runner anyway.
I still really dont want to think about Klopp after LFC.
Or rather LFC after Klopp.
It's hard to put into words what it's been like over the past 5 years, i mresn obviously one would point to the truphies won.
For me its always been a whole bunch of things.
For some reason, i like the team more after Klopp's tenure, the club as well. It does feel strange to put in words to be honest.
I was very pleased with the appointment; most were talking about how much of a loon he was. But I felt we needed something different. Of course talking is easy, I felt that replacing Rafa wsa the right decision, but not with the melted candle that replaced him. It was the same with Rogers, i felt he was a good coach but somewhere along the way he became almost as big if not bigger than the club. Almost as if we were lucky he was here as opposed to him feeling lucky to be here.
I was eager for a shakeup and the crazy german would certainly do that.
The first year was so-so; and if I'm being honest I didnt really brood on losing the 2016 League Cup or even the UEFA Cup. I felt we were weaker than both teams but I hoped he'd win something if only to buy him more time. I was terrified he'd get sacked if he continued to lose everything.
It was the 2018 European Cup that hurt. After all the superhuman efforts to get to Kiev, i felt if Salah was fit and firing we had a chance. To be honest we were very dependent on him that year, he was totally unplayable. When Ramos took him out I knew that was it, of course Karius made it worse and the exit was a humiliation instead of a narrow defeat.
That hurt because I thought Klopp would get sacked. 3 years and yet another failure. The other thing was that I thought the team was broken. After 2014 and coming 2nd, losing Suarez and replacing him with journeymen everytwhere...my fear was that we coldnt come back after Kiev. I remember the memes and jokes about Klopp winning fuckall.
But he didnt break, we came back.
2019 was amazing; to go all the wayand lose by a point? Previous Liverpool teams would have broken.
But we didnt break and we came back.
I remember the title being essentially over just before the Barcelona 2nd leg.
I dont know how we didn breal, but we came back and lifted No. 6.
But to lose by a point, i thought we'd have it tough the next year. If I'm being honest No. 6 was also a massive relief as theres no way he'd lose his job now..
I knew now he'd get the time he needed, but i thought we would have to strengthen and come back. I thought what happened after the 'slip' year would happen again.
But we didnt break, and we came back immediately
And now we have 19.
Granted, noones perfect. We've had shit games as well.
But I like who we are and what we are. A club that plays great football, that plays every ball, fights for everything, covers every blad of grass, everyone breaking their back for their teammates. Even when Klopp leaves, I hope that lesson and that style remains.
PS : sorry for that rabling. probably makes little sense. just a bunch of thoughts i've kept in my head for years and only mentioned now. which is why its verbal diarrhea i guess
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Yes, lets see if he proves himself first. Dont be jumping the gun and getting carried away by the minor scent of a tiny incy wincy bit of marginal success.
The problem of being able to see beyond Klopp is that he is so so right for this club in terms of his character as an individual with the added success he has got us, that it is just to difficult to actually say " I would like so and so after him..." because you know you will never get such a perfect match. I cannot even think about it right now - him moving on from LFC will probably feel like losing a loved one ( not on that level but most of you get what I mean ?).
Yes, I think like with losing a loved one it's difficult to even contemplate it happening. So it is with life after Klopp.
Agreed, and the parallel is doubly on point because Klopp's whole approach is based on emotion as well as on footballing technicalities. Because he cares and is a top pro at the same time, I'm confident that part of what he'll be looking to do in the years to come is to plan for that day so that the shock of it is minimised.
I'll come back to this later when I've got the time and listen to the German interview in more detail (unless my friend Holle gets there first!) but he wouldn't say this now, even in relatively tentative terms, unless it were a real possibility - which has just made my entire day. Thanks for posting, Rurik.
OK, I tried, but our Jurgen speaks as quickly in German as he does in English and it was hard work! Not much I can add to the above - the possibility of a complete pause was also mentioned (though that's what he thought he was doing when he left Dortmund). One other point I did manage to pick up was that he said he'd been blessed with the atmosphere at all the clubs he's managed: Mainz was great, Dortmund was even better and without question the best club atmosphere in Germany but Anfield is something else again - he describes it as "complete madness". 😀
He basically said that he won‘t join another club directly after leaving Liverpool. He‘ll always take a year or so off which he promised to his wife. He also finds it strange that it‘s always him who gets asked what he‘ll be doing in four years. Nobody seems to ask Guardiola the same. But he‘ll probably think about an extension if he gets offered one.
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The action of a guy who knows at a very profound level how important such things are for building consistent and lasting success. Great to see.
Yep. I promulgated this elsewhere some time ago. In full agreement.
I wouldn't necessarily be against the idea of Klopp having a temporary break, but please - not Lijnders. Great coach right enough but he sank without trace as a manager in the Eredivisie. If we're going to do this, he is NOT the guy to step in as caretaker.
A little unfair TBH. The majority of new managers sink without trace. If we are talking of treading water for a season whilst Klopp has a break then Lijnders + other backroom staff should be well capable of doing that (no doubt with remote discussions with Klopp who certainly couldn't just switch off entirely).
They do, Froggy, but what that tells me loud and clear is that Lijnders is simply not ready for a job this size. Caretaker or not, he'd still be manager of Liverpool Football Club. I'd add that football history generally is littered with good or even great coaches who didn't make a success of the step up to management.
True. But how many of them step into a ready made position with nothing to do but keep the cogs oiled? None ?
I'd think the backroom staff at LFC would be capable of doing that - assuming it was only for one season. I do hope that we eventually give Klopp a sabbatical and that he is willing to take it to recharge and then return full of vim.
Nah, Pep wasn’t truly trusted by his club. He could have continued on with his philosophy but got fired early. Klopp was given that trust at Mainz. Could have gone very differently for Klopp had he started his managerial career somewhere else.
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