Problem was, they controlled us for 90 minutes
Lessons from Paris
- Thread starter rurikbird
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Status
Problem was, they controlled us for 90 minutes
Courtois did.. 'they' didn't.
I think they had us where they wanted us most of the game, to be honest.
It could have been a lot worse with sone of those counter attacks towards the end.
Klopp always struggles against Ancelotti teams.
We do need to work out a way of breaking down those high quality, super organised teams that sit deep and hit us on the counter.
Jones is nothing more than a squad player. He does think he is better than he is but constantly makes wrong passes and shoots in situations that he has no chance in scoring
Especially trent. Was probably his worst game in a Liverpool shirt
It has to be said that we've played 3 finals and haven't scored in any. Also people who are going on about transfers need to remember that the diaz transfer is actually a summer transfer just brought forward because of spurs but it will mean that we need to sell to bring someone in. Keita is. Probably the only player that will have any real transfer value
He’s only going to get the experience to make better decisions by playing more regularly - which will start to happen.
Both are still very young.
Jones may start playing more regularly but I'm not convinced it'll be for us. He seems to have plateaued, and not necessarily at the level we need.
I hope it wasn't too bad for you mate.
You of all people didn't need to experience that.
Not a lesson from Paris, but a lesson from each of the finals and most of the points dropped - we need a second Fabinho. I would try to get Boussouma, personally, with Bellingham to join next year for the Hendo role. Just a little older and w PL experience that the current “hot” targets.
This would allow us to play both sometimes, in a 2-1 midfield instead of the reverse, to better cover the strong counter-attacking teams. We need Trent up high and all over because he is key to breaking teams down - a role neither Gomez or Williams can play well enough. And, either or could push into space like Matip and Konate when it is required with limited risk.
This would allow us to play both sometimes, in a 2-1 midfield instead of the reverse, to better cover the strong counter-attacking teams. We need Trent up high and all over because he is key to breaking teams down - a role neither Gomez or Williams can play well enough. And, either or could push into space like Matip and Konate when it is required with limited risk.
Agreed. I just do not think is a smart enough, as harsh as that sounds. Football smart or otherwise.
Carvalho is his replacement with Elliott the young midfield for the other side.
One other lesson, I think, is that when Mané starting playing center and Diaz left, our front three seemed much more static in the roles. Mané stayed center much more than Firmino and Jota do.
Of course, it also worked well, but we did seem more predictable. And, this combined with TAA and Robbo coming in more central this season meant Salah with much less in a position to trade spots on the fly with the CF.
Of course, it worked well enough to almost win the quad, but I would have liked more flexibility. It is not a shock that it was Pep, Conte, Tuchel and Ancelotti that took points off of us the second half of the season. Good coaches with quality GKs can deal with predictability even if potent.
Of course, it also worked well, but we did seem more predictable. And, this combined with TAA and Robbo coming in more central this season meant Salah with much less in a position to trade spots on the fly with the CF.
Of course, it worked well enough to almost win the quad, but I would have liked more flexibility. It is not a shock that it was Pep, Conte, Tuchel and Ancelotti that took points off of us the second half of the season. Good coaches with quality GKs can deal with predictability even if potent.
here Is where I believe that our main problems lie.... Mane and Salah
Mane... He as been poor for quite sometime. Loss of pace, touch, find it hard to go pass defenders. Too often comes back into midfield just to get the ball and then turns right back into a defender or loses the ball. His passing is too often poor and way behind his intended target if at all near them in the first place. And seems to play most of his game looking to draw fouls and win free kicks or penalties
And although we have him at present playing as the centre striker of the three, and it seems to have given him a slight resurgence in the PL as far as last night went he was pretty much in affective. It should have been Jota for Mane, and kept Diaz on.
Salah... Been saying this for sometime now. He as become to predictable in his play, and what he tries to do when he gets the ball (shift it on to his left and tries to curl the ball into the top corner). Defenders are showing him that way know that others are coming out to cover that. That is one problem. The other as many here has said: is we have no real cover for him. Yes Elliot is ok. We can stick Diaz, Mane or even Jota out there and they will do an Ok job, but no real impact play as cover.
A Mahrez or Saka type player who call create and score for out there.
His drop in form has effected his game so badly. That plus Manes form leave the front line playing with two wounded ducks up front.
Diaz and Jota are the only two bright lights of the remaining front players. Although Bobby too has been out of form, and Jota too
My Conclusion... Sell Mane over the summer and bring in striker that can lead the front three. And bring in someone that can play from the right to replace Salah
Mane... He as been poor for quite sometime. Loss of pace, touch, find it hard to go pass defenders. Too often comes back into midfield just to get the ball and then turns right back into a defender or loses the ball. His passing is too often poor and way behind his intended target if at all near them in the first place. And seems to play most of his game looking to draw fouls and win free kicks or penalties
And although we have him at present playing as the centre striker of the three, and it seems to have given him a slight resurgence in the PL as far as last night went he was pretty much in affective. It should have been Jota for Mane, and kept Diaz on.
Salah... Been saying this for sometime now. He as become to predictable in his play, and what he tries to do when he gets the ball (shift it on to his left and tries to curl the ball into the top corner). Defenders are showing him that way know that others are coming out to cover that. That is one problem. The other as many here has said: is we have no real cover for him. Yes Elliot is ok. We can stick Diaz, Mane or even Jota out there and they will do an Ok job, but no real impact play as cover.
A Mahrez or Saka type player who call create and score for out there.
His drop in form has effected his game so badly. That plus Manes form leave the front line playing with two wounded ducks up front.
Diaz and Jota are the only two bright lights of the remaining front players. Although Bobby too has been out of form, and Jota too
My Conclusion... Sell Mane over the summer and bring in striker that can lead the front three. And bring in someone that can play from the right to replace Salah
Last edited:
This will sound strange but I almost feel the machine runs a bit too smoothly now. It’s very effective of course but there’s a chaotic and unpredictable element that has been missing for a while. I actually wanted oxlade chamberlain to come on yesterday because he’s just so fizzy and dumb that he often changes the whole pattern of a game. Look at the kind of goals we were scoring in 2018-2020 and there are a lot of kinds of goals that we just don’t seem to score anymore.
Why am i struggling to shake off this feeling that this might be the beginning of an end of an era ???
Exactly how i felt last night. Already starting to rethink that, but that's probably a mistake
Hope you're ok
It showed we can't expect to play 63 games a season and play to the required level at the end of the season.
Hope it's all ok mate
And that's on klopp for having a "tight" squad. We've got players there who have barely kicked a ball for us who should be rotated in more. He's running players in to the ground, and when we look shagged at the business end of the season, he's got people making excuses.
Jones, taki, Elliot, Kostas, bobby all could have played more.
Whats the point of getting to crunch games if the difference makers are fucked? Salah, Jota, bobby, thiago, Fabinho all out of form by the end of the season.
Yes.. absolutely. Its one of Klopps failings.
Because it is. The rebuild is underway, and this summer we need to keep the momentum going
Well it almost certainly is for Modric, Kroos, Benzema and co that have hogged this competition. Thats one positive.
We weren't good enough yesterday. We weren't that unlucky imo. So we need to improve. Break that down to squad and tactics.
I think Klopp has sometimes looked to change the 433 with an extra forward. Maybe Carvalho will give us more options as a proper ten. Think the high line is terrifying but thats improved since Xmas. The front three have looked more fluid and interchangeable lately too. So tactically Im not too worried. My one MASSIVE gripe would be relying on Trent and him going infield where theres less space and its harder to cross. Hendo going wide right to make the room just shows that he cant pick a pass through the middle.
Personnel. Id be fairly happy with the five up front and a quality body to cover Origi / Mini leaving. Dont think thats Gordon yet. Or Carvalho either tbh. If Mane goes we need to buy someone decent so dont see FSG doing that.
Defence and keeper all good. Fab and Milner can cover RB but a better quality specialist might push Trent on. Maybe Williams might be less hot headed now. (Forgot Gomez!)
MF the issue for me. Fab is a great 6 and Hendo can cover that role but theres no creativity without Thiago. Which MF last scored from open play?
Keitas had his best spell in four years but still been ordinary. That shot yesterday was pathetic. Milner Id have around for nouse but offers press, not exactly defence splitting passes. Ox obviously not trusted. Curtis flatters to deceive and might need a loan. Elliott was awesome but maybe needs to recover fully and beef up ready for next season.
Think its crying out for a world class player. Bellingham, Tchoumablokey. Bissouma maybe not at that level. Camavinga lol
Im optimistic we'll do some more business but hope its early in the window.
Last edited:
There is simply no other GK in world football big and agile enough to get such a big, strong hand on Mane's shot. Not even sure Alli would have got that one
I can look for 1 thousand faults (Keita shot was shit, but how many players did he have to beat to score anyway) and improvements. But basically, the only way we were scoring yesterday was a tap in, or worldie. Courtois won them that trophy. Even his super aggressive starting positions on all corners meant we won nothing from set pieces.
Maybe if Salah had the awareness to cross at the end instead of shoot, we'd have had the tap in from Mane at the back post. But maybe he didn't see him.
I can look for 1 thousand faults (Keita shot was shit, but how many players did he have to beat to score anyway) and improvements. But basically, the only way we were scoring yesterday was a tap in, or worldie. Courtois won them that trophy. Even his super aggressive starting positions on all corners meant we won nothing from set pieces.
Maybe if Salah had the awareness to cross at the end instead of shoot, we'd have had the tap in from Mane at the back post. But maybe he didn't see him.
It's is almost certain that we will never see the Salah Mané Firmino front 3 again. That's the end of Klopps first great team in my opinion. I also don't think Hendo will be a starter by the end of next season.
- Status
