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Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41783.msg1176700#msg1176700 date=1284805704]
I see. Does this put a dent in my hopes of hearing about them in the future pan handling at the top of Bold St?
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I'd say so, they got a nice 4 million each out the club last year.
 
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If Hillbilly Hicks gets his way and repay RBS loans with another set of loans and seize total control of the club, it will be the demise of our club.

We can forget about winning trophies or fighting for CL places. A domino's effect will be triggered within the club and star players will leave and none will want to join. In fact, I'm pretty sure Hicks will sell our star players to make a quick buck before he is finally forced to sell our club.

He will singlehandedly rape and pillage us dry, and wipe out decades of prestige and history.

Serious, serious repercussions if he takes sole control of the club in Oct.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41783.msg1176668#msg1176668 date=1284800125]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41783.msg1176666#msg1176666 date=1284799770]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41783.msg1176660#msg1176660 date=1284798745]
I think a lot of apologies are going to be owed to the likes of Broughton and Purslow after this is all done.
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Can't see that applying to their decision not to consider Kenny for interim boss, but agreed as far as their off-the-field work is concerned.
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They wanted Kenny to have a position of greater longevity (in Kenny's own words) so I don't see how that can be held against them.
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That was Kenny, loyal and professional to the bones of him, putting his best gloss on it. His own words included "I want the job", they could have moved him upstairs in time and we badly needed the buzz everyone would have got from the appointment. Don't misunderstand me, I'm broadly behind them, but they missed a trick over Kenny to say the least.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41783.msg1176718#msg1176718 date=1284806818]
So you don't think it's a good idea?
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Lol
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

At the time I was in favour of Kenny being appointed manager and ultimately we will never know if the decision to deny him the job was the correct one.
But it does seem, irrespective of whether the decision by Broughton and Purslow was the correct one or not, it was made with the best interests of the club in mind.
Which of course is contrary to the opinions of the conspiracy theorists among our supporters.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

But can't hicks see it'll go down the shitter? Or does he think he'll still be able to make his money back etc?
 
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Count: fair comment.

Saint: I'm not sure how Hicks sees the likelihood or otherwise of the club going up the swanee, but what I do think is he's past caring. If he gives in now he'll probably make little money, quite possibly none at all, from the deal and he's not going to accept that if he doesn't have to. Upshot is he's willing to gamble big to win big, and is trying to find further finance from others who do business the same way.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41783.msg1176766#msg1176766 date=1284809338]
But can't hicks see it'll go down the shitter? Or does he think he'll still be able to make his money back etc?
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He is a BILLIONAIRE squiggs .... He will bail us out no bother and be back home on the ranch in time for tequila. It is absolutely desperate shite isn't it. Billionaire.... I reckon I have got more cash than that wanker.... Is it possible to burst a bowel?
 
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Smooooth
Tom Hicks's last-ditch attempt to retain control of Liverpool is likely to be opposed even more vehemently than previously thought, as the American's proposals are understood to include a plan to restore his son, Tom Hicks Jr, to the Anfield operation. Hicks Jr resigned in January as a director of Liverpool and its parent company, Kop Holdings, after an abusive exchange with a supporter, to whom he retorted in an email: "Blow me fuck face."

The news that Hicks Sr, co-owner of Liverpool with George Gillett, was in London discussing raising loans to replace Liverpool's £237m bank debts and thereby keep control already alarmed supporters this week. Liverpool's three directors besides Hicks and Gillett – the chairman, Martin Broughton, the managing director, Christian Purslow, and the commercial director, Ian Ayre – are expected to oppose any refinancing of the club's debts presented by Hicks Sr, on more onerous terms than the interest Liverpool currently pay. The revelation that Hicks is planning to bring back his son will further inflame the anger harboured by many Liverpool fans against their club's American owners.

Hicks Sr, whose representative would not confirm any details, was said to be in talks this week with GSO, a division of the private equity firm Blackstone which, according to its website, specialises in debt-based lending to "stressed and distressed securities".

Liverpool's loans, understood to be around £180m owed to the Royal Bank of Scotland and £57m to Wells Fargo, are due to be repaid next month, although later than 6 October, which has generally been understood to be deadline day. Broughton has been trying to sell the club, which would see the loans repaid in full, but his hoped-for target date of the end of August has passed and no deal is realistically on the horizon.

The sudden spectre of Hicks obtaining an offer of new finance from GSO or another lender, to replace the loans from RBS and Wells Fargo at more burdensome interest rates, is expected to be opposed by the board majority. The three directors are likely to argue it would place the club in a worse financial position, and therefore not be in its best interests. Broughton, Purslow and Ayre are understood to have blocked another proposed refinancing presented by Hicks in June, and obtained advice from the City law firm Slaughter and May that they had legal authority to do so. Observers of the process believe Hicks's discussions are an effort to retain control of Liverpool before RBS's loans expire, and are unlikely to deliver a better deal for the club.

Hicks and Gillett promised to usher Liverpool to a more prosperous future when they took over in February 2007, saying theirs was not a "Glazer-style" debt-laden deal, and they would build the club the long-planned new stadium on neighbouring Stanley Park. It soon became clear the £185m they borrowed to buy Liverpool was indeed being made the club's responsibility to repay, and the stadium project has not even been started. As Liverpool's cherished status in English football slides, Anfield supporters have become increasingly vociferous in their campaign for Hicks and Gillett to go.

Broughton is said to have been unable to find a buyer so far because Gillett and particularly Hicks are seeking a large profit personally on the £185m cost of buying the club. A new buyer will have to pay the £237m debts in full, so a major profit to Hicks and Gillett – the figure of $600m (£390m) has been cited – makes a purchase hugely expensive, with the stadium, possibly costing £450m, to build as well.

The difficulty of finding a buyer while Hicks and Gillett can set the price, and the likelihood that any refinancing will be blocked by the other three board members, means the spotlight is turning on what RBS will do if its loans are still outstanding at the October repayment deadline. The bank, which collapsed in the financial crisis and is 84% owned by the British taxpayer, has always stressed it does not want to take control of Liverpool. It may instead offer to renew the loans, but with conditions attached requiring Hicks and Gillett to sell above a certain defined price.

All of which, as Liverpool prepare for their momentous visit to face Manchester United at Old Trafford tomorrow, depicts a club a very long way from healthy.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41783.msg1176772#msg1176772 date=1284809843]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41783.msg1176766#msg1176766 date=1284809338]
But can't hicks see it'll go down the shitter? Or does he think he'll still be able to make his money back etc?
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He is a BILLIONAIRE squiggs .... He will bail us out no bother and be back home on the ranch in time for tequila. It is absolutely desperate shite isn't it. Billionaire.... I reckon I have got more cash than that wanker.... Is it possible to burst a bowel?

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I'm no saint.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1284801056]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1176661#msg1176661 date=1284798843]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1176651#msg1176651 date=1284797942]
from the radio 5 report i just heard it seems to me this is how it will play out:

- hicks raises money to buy 100% of club from american banks at higher interest rate
- he goes to directors
- directors refuse
- he sacks directors and refinances anyway

so what is to stop him being able to sack the directors?

if he raises the money, and it looks as though he just might at a higher interest rate from those american investment banks he knows well, there may be nothing to stop him.
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But if he needs the board's position to borrow the money against the club (as I believe is the case), and he has no other significant asset to borrow against, then it is hard to see where he'll get the money from. Surely as well, in an era where the banks are trying to demonstrate responsible lending, no-one is going to give someone with such a poor record £300 mill? Surely to God.
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the banks are back to normal. responsible lending means what? - make sure if i have to repossess then the asset is worth at least what i loaned against it (rather than the silly 125% loans on overinflated values that were taking place before the banking crisis) and charge high interest rates (like what rbs are currently doing).

there will be some american bank(s) that at the very least will be interested. even if they're not rbs have already pretty much said that they'll refinance.
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When was this?
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1176661#msg1176661 date=1284798843]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1176651#msg1176651 date=1284797942]
from the radio 5 report i just heard it seems to me this is how it will play out:

- hicks raises money to buy 100% of club from american banks at higher interest rate
- he goes to directors
- directors refuse
- he sacks directors and refinances anyway

so what is to stop him being able to sack the directors?

if he raises the money, and it looks as though he just might at a higher interest rate from those american investment banks he knows well, there may be nothing to stop him.
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But if he needs the board's position to borrow the money against the club (as I believe is the case), and he has no other significant asset to borrow against, then it is hard to see where he'll get the money from. Surely as well, in an era where the banks are trying to demonstrate responsible lending, no-one is going to give someone with such a poor record £300 mill? Surely to God.
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With this kind of turmoil, I cant see ow any AMerican bank will refinance these loans.
 
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With this kind of turmoil, I cant see ow any AMerican bank will refinance these loans.

When banks know they can be bailed out, they will lend fearlessly afterall they think they can earn huge amount of interest, the CEO gets lotsa bonus. Should it fail, the Government steps in with taxpayers' money!
 
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Governments can't afford that now though. They had a hard enough job doing so the first time - witness the US government pulling the plug on Lehman Bros, which precipitated the crisis to begin with, and our own problems here in the UK, which will change the face of public services for years to come.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=41783.msg1176867#msg1176867 date=1284820565]
With this kind of turmoil, I cant see ow any AMerican bank will refinance these loans.

When banks know they can be bailed out, they will lend fearlessly afterall they think they can earn huge amount of interest, the CEO gets lotsa bonus. Should it fail, the Government steps in with taxpayers' money!
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Thats what they used to do and that what got us to where we are today. They cant do that any longer
 
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We'll never know how crazy banks can be. And these are not banks as we know them. They may be front for money launderers and shylocks like Hicks.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41783.msg1176670#msg1176670 date=1284800663]
well - let's hope the end result is the same here.

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A long intractable struggle which ended up lining the pockets of millions of lawyers while simultaneously damaging the club?
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

I reckon I'd take that, if the alternative is leaving Hicks in place for at least three years until the new TV deal comes in, with or without the other guy. Besides the very real prospect that Hicks would lose, perhaps quicker than we anticipate, such an action of itself could well finally put off any possible refinanciers Hicks might have been able to dredge up, because of the uncertainty it would create over his position and prospects.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41783.msg1176828#msg1176828 date=1284814000]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1284801056]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=41783.msg1176661#msg1176661 date=1284798843]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1176651#msg1176651 date=1284797942]
from the radio 5 report i just heard it seems to me this is how it will play out:

- hicks raises money to buy 100% of club from american banks at higher interest rate
- he goes to directors
- directors refuse
- he sacks directors and refinances anyway

so what is to stop him being able to sack the directors?

if he raises the money, and it looks as though he just might at a higher interest rate from those american investment banks he knows well, there may be nothing to stop him.
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But if he needs the board's position to borrow the money against the club (as I believe is the case), and he has no other significant asset to borrow against, then it is hard to see where he'll get the money from. Surely as well, in an era where the banks are trying to demonstrate responsible lending, no-one is going to give someone with such a poor record £300 mill? Surely to God.
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the banks are back to normal. responsible lending means what? - make sure if i have to repossess then the asset is worth at least what i loaned against it (rather than the silly 125% loans on overinflated values that were taking place before the banking crisis) and charge high interest rates (like what rbs are currently doing).

there will be some american bank(s) that at the very least will be interested. even if they're not rbs have already pretty much said that they'll refinance.
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When was this?
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the last interview linked to rbs, was on this forum. basically said that rbs would not take posession and would refinance as a last option. i'm pretty sure that's what it read like.

too many here are expecting the banks to do the right thing. the right thing for them is to make as much money as always.

the only option we have is the board blocking it but even then i'm sure hicks will be able to sack the board at the same time as paying off rbs.

lets hope hicks can't raise the money, if he finds any bank at any interest rate that is prepared to lend to him then i really can't see how he'll be blocked from repaying rbs and extending his stay.
 
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It was someone speculating that RBS would refinance as a last resort. They, like you, ignore the established fact that RBS have placed this debt among their toxic assets, which means they want it paid double pronto. The CEO of RBS, Stephen Hester, has not only stated that the loan was too big in the first place but has now taken personal charge of the case as well. It's theoretically possible that Hicks could obtain refinancing (though it's highly unlikely, for reasons which have been explained many times in this thread) but there isn't an icecream in Hell's chance that RBS themselves will be the source of any such finance.
 
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Thats me fucking done with football, If this happens.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/978593/A-KOP-ALYPSE-NOW.html

TOM HICKS has unveiled devastating plans to delay the sale of Liverpool for up to TWO YEARS.

The Texan is on the verge of a £280million deal with The Blackstone/GSO Group to retain his share in the cash-stricken club and buy out partner George Gillett.

Despite the hatred towards him on Merseyside, Hicks told the rest of the Anfield board in a meeting this week the refinance agreement will be signed by October 1.

But in a move which will cause deep despair on Merseyside, the terms would ensure the American has until 2012 to find a buyer.

More worryingly for distraught Kop fans, the GSO deal does not involve any injection of cash for new players OR a new stadium.

And it will almost certainly lead to the departure of Fernando Torres and Pepe Reina.

That prospect is prompting the rest of the Liverpool board to mount a legal challenge to stop Hicks finalising negotiations but even those closest to the deal fear there is little they can do to prevent him taking full control of the club.

Hicks convened a three-hour board meeting in London on Wednesday, where he delivered the bombshell news of his plans to deal with Blackstone/GSO.

Blackstone are one of the biggest private equity firms in the world with its chairman Steve Schwarzman worth an estimated £3billion. He is also a close friend of Hicks.

The meeting at the Blackstone HQ in London's Hanover Square was attended by chairman Martin Broughton, chief exec Christian Purslow and director, Ian Ayre and Finance Director Philip Nash.

Tellingly, co-owner George Gillett was absent from those talks.

He's given Hicks the green light to pursue a deal and is reluctant to ally himself to the rest of the board against the Texan. Gillett has, however, told Hicks his support is conditional on investment in the squad and stadium. That may yet prove the key to blocking a deal.

However, Gillett has defaulted on his own loan to RBS, forcing him to concede a degree of power to his business partner.

Hicks told his board he has no obligation to sell to any investor for less than a price he deemed acceptable - and the board has no authority to prevent him repaying the RBS debt and keeping the club with whatever funds he likes.

Hicks bluntly told Broughton the idea of Liverpool being sold for the value of the club debt - £282m - is unacceptable.

Hicks believes he has the legal right to pursue the GSO deal in the absence of any formal bid for the club since the sale process began.

Despite feverish speculation at the time, neither Chinese businessman Kenny Huang nor Syrian Yayha Kirdi ever made an offer for Hicks and Gillett's shares.

Hicks will attempt to present GSO's involvement as a step in the right direction, despite the obvious concerns.

The Texan thinks the involvement of Blackstone offers a platform for further investment. Club sources are baffled as to why, having failed to sell the club for the last two years at such a high valuation, Hicks still believes he'll succeed in two more.

Purslow, Ayre and Broughton have successfully resisted refinance proposals before because they believe Hicks is reneging on his public announcement in April that he wished to sell his shares. This dispute has been the subject of a legal battle since June but there was always a fear the respite was temporary. A court hearing to decide the future of Liverpool FC now looks inevitable.

By 2012, the value of the club is more likely to have plummeted due to consecutive years without Champions League football.

As Sport of the World first revealed a month ago, Anfield is in the grip of a boardroom war over refinancing.

Behind the scenes, the most ferocious battle to decide the future of the club is being fought right now.

The outcome is likely to be decided in various legal offices of America and London. The only other hope is for a credible buyer to make an 11th-hour bid for the club. Hicks' proposals do not have the support of chairman Broughton, MD Christian Purslow or commercial director Ayre.

The independent Kop board fears the GSO deal represents a nightmare scenario for the club and destroys any hope of a brighter future at Anfield.

There are claims it will end any chance of a new stadium and lead to the inevitable departures of star men.

Players such as Torres and Reina have openly demanded a change of ownership. Extending a period of limbo will effectively ensure this is their last season at the club.

Planning permission for the new arena on Stanley Park will have expired by September, 2011. And the GSO deal will also mean the debt against the club rises and interest rates increase.

This doomsday picture will be contested by Hicks, who is in talks with Blackstone's senior managing director and GSO co-founder Bennett Goodman.

The US equity firm Blackstone, who own GSO, is one of the most wealthy and well respected in the financial world.

Their chief executive, Schwarzman, is worth an estimated £3bn and has been dubbed The King of Wall Street during an impressive financial career.

The 63-year-old was listed in 2008 as America's 53rd-richest person. A year earlier, Time magazine named him as one of the 100 most influential men in the world. He lists former Presidents and White House chiefs of staff among his friends. Blackstone's portfolio is vast and striking, including the London Eye. In normal circumstances, if such a company was interested in a full buy-out it would be a relief for Kop fans.

But there is unease because GSO have not declared any wish to take over the club, heavily invest in the squad, plough in finance for the stadium or retain any long-term interest.

They represent a short-term fix for Hicks. The only way Blackstone will own Liverpool FC is if Hicks defaults on his fresh loans in two years.

Blackstone/GSO's offer to Hicks effectively amounts to a multi-million bail-out.

They are loaning Hicks the money he desperately needs to refinance the £282.4m RBS debts and buy him extra time. Hicks will now have even longer to sell the club at the valuation of £600m he's been pursuing since the sale process began in April.

Just when Liverpool fans hoped the end of the American reign was nigh, they're now faced with the reality the period of uncertainty may continue.

Disillusionment among players and fans is already at epidemic levels.

The position of the current five-man board would also be subject to review. Barclays Capital's involvement in the sales process would effectively be over, as would Broughton's tenure as chairman.

That's why the rest of the Anfield hierarchy is desperate to block the deal and is adamant any refinance using Liverpool as collateral is illegal.

They have just two weeks to stop Hicks and find a buyer. Hicks expects terms to be signed by October 1, when the first chunk of the RBS debt must be repaid.

It's baffling to some why a financial tour de force such as Schwarzman is assisting Hicks.

GSO specialise in investing in distressed companies at high rates of interest but Hicks also appears to be benefiting from a personal friendship and political alliance with Blackstone's top man.

Cynics are already concluding that Hicks has convinced an old pal to help him out in a period of strife.

"A few weeks ago we were saying Hicks needed to pull a rabbit out of the hat," a Kop source told Sport of the World.

"It seems he's pulled out one of the biggest, wealthiest rabbits in Wall Street."
 
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Fuck the Liverpool way.

It's time to rampage the terraces and show that this cunt needs to get the fuck out of our club.
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=41783.msg1177009#msg1177009 date=1284851057]
Fuck the Liverpool way.

It's time to rampage the terraces and show that this cunt needs to get the fuck out of our club.
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And he will just issue a press release saying everything is rosey in the garden and now truly going to plan and some fucking lawyer or accountant will back him up and claim that we are powerless and shouldn't cause a fuss... It's as baffling as it is disastrous, I pray it isn't true.
 
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boycott is the only option left. next home game, walkout as the kick off whistle sounds. only way it'll work is if the likes of dalglish stand and walk out first. thousands will immediately follow. the leadership offered by the likes of sos, with the greatest respect to them, is at best fragmented. we need a legend.

dalglish walks out, we'll all walk out. come on sos be useful and go try speak to the king.
 
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the guardian

Tom Hicks's last-ditch attempt to retain control of Liverpool is likely to be opposed even more vehemently than previously thought, as the American's proposals are understood to include a plan to restore his son, Tom Hicks Jr, to the Anfield operation. Hicks Jr resigned in January as a director of Liverpool and its parent company, Kop Holdings, after an abusive exchange with a supporter, to whom he retorted in an email: "Blow me fuck face."

The news that Hicks Sr, co-owner of Liverpool with George Gillett, was in London discussing raising loans to replace Liverpool's £237m bank debts and thereby keep control already alarmed supporters this week. Liverpool's three directors besides Hicks and Gillett – the chairman, Martin Broughton, the managing director, Christian Purslow, and the commercial director, Ian Ayre – are expected to oppose any refinancing of the club's debts presented by Hicks Sr, on more onerous terms than the interest Liverpool currently pay. The revelation that Hicks is planning to bring back his son will further inflame the anger harboured by many Liverpool fans against their club's American owners.

Hicks Sr, whose representative would not confirm any details, was said to be in talks this week with GSO, a division of the private equity firm Blackstone which, according to its website, specialises in debt-based lending to "stressed and distressed securities".

Liverpool's loans, understood to be around £180m owed to the Royal Bank of Scotland and £57m to Wells Fargo, are due to be repaid next month, although later than 6 October, which has generally been understood to be deadline day. Broughton has been trying to sell the club, which would see the loans repaid in full, but his hoped-for target date of the end of August has passed and no deal is realistically on the horizon.

The sudden spectre of Hicks obtaining an offer of new finance from GSO or another lender, to replace the loans from RBS and Wells Fargo at more burdensome interest rates, is expected to be opposed by the board majority. The three directors are likely to argue it would place the club in a worse financial position, and therefore not be in its best interests. Broughton, Purslow and Ayre are understood to have blocked another proposed refinancing presented by Hicks in June, and obtained advice from the City law firm Slaughter and May that they had legal authority to do so. Observers of the process believe Hicks's discussions are an effort to retain control of Liverpool before RBS's loans expire, and are unlikely to deliver a better deal for the club.

Hicks and Gillett promised to usher Liverpool to a more prosperous future when they took over in February 2007, saying theirs was not a "Glazer-style" debt-laden deal, and they would build the club the long-planned new stadium on neighbouring Stanley Park. It soon became clear the £185m they borrowed to buy Liverpool was indeed being made the club's responsibility to repay, and the stadium project has not even been started. As Liverpool's cherished status in English football slides, Anfield supporters have become increasingly vociferous in their campaign for Hicks and Gillett to go.

Broughton is said to have been unable to find a buyer so far because Gillett and particularly Hicks are seeking a large profit personally on the £185m cost of buying the club. A new buyer will have to pay the £237m debts in full, so a major profit to Hicks and Gillett – the figure of $600m (£390m) has been cited – makes a purchase hugely expensive, with the stadium, possibly costing £450m, to build as well.

The difficulty of finding a buyer while Hicks and Gillett can set the price, and the likelihood that any refinancing will be blocked by the other three board members, means the spotlight is turning on what RBS will do if its loans are still outstanding at the October repayment deadline. The bank, which collapsed in the financial crisis and is 84% owned by the British taxpayer, has always stressed it does not want to take control of Liverpool. It may instead offer to renew the loans, but with conditions attached requiring Hicks and Gillett to sell above a certain defined price.

All of which, as Liverpool prepare for their momentous visit to face Manchester United at Old Trafford tomorrow, depicts a club a very long way from healthy.
 
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Ludicrous and extreme though it is Rage I have to agree with you, the only man who could convince all reds to walk out would be Kenny, it would be for the good of the club, as sickening and sad as possible mind you but ...
 
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I think it's desperation and all bluster and bluff by Hicks to try and salvage something.

I really can't see anyone lending that sort of money to Hicks in the present climate, as the way things are going the value of the club could well plummet below the £280m he is looking for, it's too much of a risk. His mate Shwartzman is playing along to help him out.

I hope I am right -

regards
 
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