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Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=crump link=topic=41783.msg1183053#msg1183053 date=1285522269]
That vehicle has been set up for three months and hasn't got anywhere.
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I don't think it starts to sell the shares untill the 4th of Oct.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1183062#msg1183062 date=1285523572]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41783.msg1183053#msg1183053 date=1285522269]
That vehicle has been set up for three months and hasn't got anywhere.
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I don't think it starts to sell the shares untill the 4th of Oct.
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Balls. Is there any word on subscriptions or anything?
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

They can piss right off with a ground share.

I'd rather stay at Anfield.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

Fucking hell, that Dalglish article deserves a thread of its own. If anyone knows anything (and is likely to share it) about the likelihood of us getting good new owners, it's him. To me, that article is hugely significant, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he'd been encouraged to write it by Purslow et al. The situation is worse than any of us feared, and the New Anfield looks ever more like a mirage. Is there a pragmatic solution we can all accept?

Fucking hell, I'm depressed now...
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

If I was reading anything into it I'd say that it was that offers are on the table but they don't address the stadium issue, and I wouldn't be bothered if that were the case. It's likely he's just moderating expectations and appealing to the Purslow haters.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41783.msg1183069#msg1183069 date=1285524801]
Fucking hell, that Dalglish article deserves a thread of its own. If anyone knows anything (and is likely to share it) about the likelihood of us getting good new owners, it's him. To me, that article is hugely significant, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he'd been encouraged to write it by Purslow et al. The situation is worse than any of us feared, and the New Anfield looks ever more like a mirage. Is there a pragmatic solution we can all accept?

Fucking hell, I'm depressed now...
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The issues about ownership is not really news. He has just discussed all possible things that could happen if and when a new owner comes in, and of course the difficulty of finding a new owner in such a hard time. I think we were all aware of it. Three months back, i genuinely believed a refinance package by Hicks and Gillete would be the closest bet to straddle the RBS stale-mate. The good news is that, they look like they are definitely going to fail in that regard. We were never going to be sold (at a loss to the owners that too) before this option was well and truly explored. It will be far more easier to find a willing buyer and seller relationship at this point of time.

I was more keen on what Dalglish had to say about performance on the pitch. It is for this very reason i wanted Dalglish to be appointed the manager as opposed to appointing Roy Hodgson. I would bet my last dollar that if anyone can motivate our players while all these things are going on off the pitch, it would be Dalglish. Roy, with all due credit, does not have the authority to achieve this...not many managers in the world at this point can achieve it. This is a job for a top top manager like Mourinho/Fergusson/Ancelotti/Lippi/Capello etc...Dalglish is not in their league, but as a respected man who achieved glory as a player and also as a manager at this very club, he has that command/respect/authority.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41783.msg1183056#msg1183056 date=1285522594]
I am not only a former Liverpool player and manager but a Liverpool fan as well, someone who cares deeply about the club. It is in that spirit that I'm using my column this week to address other Liverpool supporters in what I hope is an open and truthful way about the club's current situation and where we go from here.
If minds were not focused already that this is a difficult and transitional period for the club, the midweek Carling Cup exit at Anfield against Northampton Town, of League Two, has certainly done so.

Disaster is a very emotive word that doesn't sit well describing a football result, so we should steer clear of clichés like that.
There is no doubt it was a hugely disappointing night that followed on from defeats by Manchester United and Manchester City in the Premier League. I wrote last week that defeat at Old Trafford last Sunday would realistically mean our chances of winning the Premier League title would be over in September. But the way Liverpool played in the last half hour against Sunderland and their attitude will hold them in good stead, even though it has been a difficult start to the season.

I can understand why recent results must have come as a huge shock to Liverpool fans. Two or three generations have known only success and you'd have to go back to the pre-Bill Shankly days of 1959 for anything similar to Northampton. But there mustn't be any hiding or excuses from the players even if Liverpool's current predicament is not ideal. If they let things get on top of them, the club has no chance.

Everyone knows the ownership situation but that should never affect how the players prepare or perform. There is no reason experienced internationals should be distracted from their jobs and they shouldn't need Roy Hodgson to remind them.
If the club is up for sale, the best way for players to deal with it is to get results on the pitch and make it a more attractive proposition to buy.
I never celebrated winning a trophy at Liverpool by thinking: 'It's all down to the owners - they are brilliant.' So if owners don't receive credit then, neither can players look to blame them or anyone else in defeat.
Maybe Roy will be able to improve the team if new owners come in by shopping at the more exclusive end of the transfer market. But that doesn't give the current players a get-out to avoid responsibility.
MY message to them would be to leave the business side of things for managing director Christian Purslow to be concerned about.
While you find in any walk of life people who don't need much encouragement to find excuses, we don't want them at Liverpool right now.

There are fans, of course, who have a grievance with the American owners and there is no reason to stop any peaceful protests if they feel that is the right thing to do.
After all, they have supported the club fantastically in the past. Tom Hicks and George Gillett have put the club up for sale and want to sell. But they, and we, can't just grab someone off the street and make them buy the club to ensure a change of ownership.
It is not as if buying Liverpool is loose change in somebody's pocket, you are talking about sums of money that not too many people have at their disposal. Investors will be looking to see what returns they might get because there are no guarantees at the moment. Who knows what the value of football clubs is going to be in years to come?

At the moment, there is a recession, people are losing their jobs and some fans are finding it hard to afford to go to matches with their children.
So there are no foregone conclusions. No guarantees. You put your house up for sale, it doesn't automatically mean it is sold. Christian is scouring the market and he's helped by Liverpool having so much to offer - tradition, history, values and worldwide recognition. But at the end of the day, you've still got to find a buyer.
The perfect scenario would be for someone to come in, clear the debt, give Roy a fortune to spend in the transfer market and build a new stadium. But that doesn't necessarily mean it is going to happen and of the three segments, maybe the one you could possibly place third in the list of importance is the stadium. It is really important that the debt gets cleared to give people a chance to work and I think it is really important that Roy has a sizeable budget.
I am sure anyone with new ideas would be listened to. If someone came in and said he could clear the debt and give Roy a budget for players but couldn't afford to build a stadium, it might be something for people more intelligent than me to look at.
It's probably true that more people are becoming sympathetic to a ground-share with Everton if a third party came forward able to build it, with the two clubs renting. Again, it is not the ideal situation: that would be to keep the two clubs in two separate stadiums with vibrant atmospheres of their own.
But this is not an ideal time for either club and I'm sure they would sit down and have a conversation with each other about it if there was a feeling it would be beneficial. It's not anyone's personal views that is important - it is about what is best thing for the club. I don't know if it will ever happen but maybe you need a few people to sit down and say that although it's not what they want in a perfect world, it's worth looking at.
Whoever is in a position of responsibility at Liverpool and Everton are only custodians for the next generation of supporter. They owe it to the fans to look at every possibility to help their respective clubs.


Kenny Dalglish.
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I know I shouldnt re-post that.

But fuck me, what a post.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41783.msg1183068#msg1183068 date=1285524654]
They can piss right off with a ground share.

I'd rather stay at Anfield.
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That's right! Better to stay small, and go further behind! We have history!!
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41783.msg1183096#msg1183096 date=1285527442]
Kenny didn't post it here, Av.
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It's close enough 8)
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

I was the only pro-groundshare red I knew...until I went to the San Siro. That changed my mind.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=crump link=topic=41783.msg1183100#msg1183100 date=1285528802]
I was the only pro-groundshare red I knew...until I went to the San Siro. That changed my mind.
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It is a different can of worms, yes...but it is really not the most pertinent issue right now, as Dalglish points out.

1. Performance on the pitch
2. Ownership issue
3. Funds for new players
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.a very distant 4th would be the stadium issue. As far as i'm concerned, we should cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now it serves only as a stumbling block for brokering a new deal.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

groundshare is irrelevant right now.

building a stadium should be a longer term aspiration and i don't think i'm the only fan who thinks we first need to sort out our problems on the pitch.

i'd be happy with owners who just cleared the debt. i see nothing wrong with borrowing the money for the stadium and then paying that back like a mortgage. this way our transfer budget would automatically increase through not paying the interest like now and a competent manager could bring in quality players. by the time the stadium came round the extra income from the stadium should pay the mortgage.

we're not going to get it all at once nor would i want that in the style of chelsea and city.

i have nothing but respect for kenny, i understand why he was critical of the players in general but refrained from being critical of grandpa. if he had done that would have been the end for him i think.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1183122#msg1183122 date=1285530956]
groundshare is irrelevant right now.

building a stadium should be a longer term aspiration and i don't think i'm the only fan who thinks we first need to sort out our problems on the pitch.

i'd be happy with owners who just cleared the debt. i see nothing wrong with borrowing the money for the stadium and then paying that back like a mortgage. this way our transfer budget would automatically increase through not paying the interest like now and a competent manager could bring in quality players. by the time the stadium came round the extra income from the stadium should pay the mortgage.

we're not going to get it all at once nor would i want that in the style of chelsea and city.

i have nothing but respect for kenny, i understand why he was critical of the players in general but refrained from being critical of grandpa. if he had done that would have been the end for him i think.
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*blinks*

i.............agree?

*rubs eyes*
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=41783.msg1183049#msg1183049 date=1285521571]
Here's Hicks latest idea.

http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1416995/000095012310061361/d73962sv1.htm#tocpage

Hicks Acquisition Company II, Inc. is a newly organized blank check company formed for the purpose of effecting a merger, capital stock exchange, asset acquisition, stock purchase, reorganization or similar business combination with one or more businesses, which we refer to throughout this prospectus as our initial business combination. We have not identified any acquisition target and we have not, nor has anyone on our behalf, initiated any substantive discussions with an entity that we will acquire in our initial business combination. We are not limited to a particular industry, geographic region or minimum transaction value for purposes of consummating an initial business combination. HH-HACII, L.P., which we refer to throughout this prospectus as our sponsor, our officers and directors have agreed that we will have only 21 months from the closing of this offering to consummate our initial business combination.

This is an initial public offering of our securities. We are offering 20,000,000 units. Each unit has an offering price of $10.00 and consists of one share of our common stock and one warrant. Each warrant entitles the holder to purchase one share of our common stock at a price of $12.00, subject to adjustment as described in this prospectus. The warrants will become exercisable on the later of 30 days after the completion of our initial business combination or 12 months from the closing of this offering, provided that in each case we have an effective registration statement covering the shares of common stock issuable upon exercise of the warrants and a current prospectus relating to them is available, and will expire five years after the completion of our initial business combination, unless earlier redeemed. We have also granted the underwriters a 45-day option to purchase up to an additional 3,000,000 units to cover over-allotments, if an
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"I want you to give me money, so I can buy something. I'm not telling you what it is though."

Strange he hasnt had more interest really.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=crump link=topic=41783.msg1183100#msg1183100 date=1285528802]
I was the only pro-groundshare red I knew...until I went to the San Siro. That changed my mind.
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Bad experience?
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

They re-lay the pitch 7 times a season at a cost of grillions and even when it's just been put down it looks like someone has been growing spuds on it.

Inter aren't off building their own stadium for nowt.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41783.msg1183122#msg1183122 date=1285530956]
groundshare is irrelevant right now.

building a stadium should be a longer term aspiration and i don't think i'm the only fan who thinks we first need to sort out our problems on the pitch.

i'd be happy with owners who just cleared the debt. i see nothing wrong with borrowing the money for the stadium and then paying that back like a mortgage. this way our transfer budget would automatically increase through not paying the interest like now and a competent manager could bring in quality players. by the time the stadium came round the extra income from the stadium should pay the mortgage.

we're not going to get it all at once nor would i want that in the style of chelsea and city.

i have nothing but respect for kenny, i understand why he was critical of the players in general but refrained from being critical of grandpa. if he had done that would have been the end for him i think.
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Well said.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

Apparently the latest target is citibank. 2 of the directors have joined the board at Hicks Aquisitions one of them are from texas. Kopfaithful have put another email together for anyone thats intrested. Whether it has any effect we will never know but here it is for anyone intrested in sending.
alberto.j.verme@citi.com; gustavo.marin@citi.com; mary.mcdowell@citi.com; vikram.pandit@citi.com; michael.l.corbat@citi.com; james.a.forese@citi.com; jane.fraser@citi.com; john.c.gerspach@citi.com; douglas.peterson@citi.com; charles.d.johnston@citi.com; mark.rufeh@citi.com; deepak.sharma@citi.com; stephen.volk@citi.com; paco.ybarra@citi.com; george.awad@citi.com; john.havens@citi.com; bonnie.howard@citi.com; brian.leach@citi.com; paul.mckinnon@citi.com; shirish.apte@citi.com; suneel.bakhshi@citi.com; stephen.bird@citi.com; don.callahan@citi.com; jodi.r.lang@citi.com; secure.emailhelp@citi.com; ems.securemail@citi.com; richard.parsons@citi.com; cliff.verron@citi.com; steve.randich@citi.com; tokyo.personal-info@db.com; autobahn.fi@db.com; autobahn.insight@db.com; aesales.emea@db.com; autobahn.fx@db.com; autobahn.fo@db.com; autobahn.support@db.com; james.stynes@db.com; monte.koch@db.com

cvest@hicksholdings.com; cemmert@hicksholdings.com; jarmes@hicksholdings.com; thicks@hicksholdings.com; tohjr@hicksholdings.com; ccoffman@hicksholdings.com; mhicks@hicksholdings.com; info@hicksholdings.com; rswartz@hicksholdings.com; martin.broughton@ba.com; gngillett@bcmgt.com; philip.nash@liverpoolfc.tv; ian.ayre@liverpoolfc.tv



Dear Sirs,

If your company agrees a refinancing deal with Tom Hicks, or underwrites $200 million for Hicks Acquisition II, Hicks Holdings or any of his associated companies which enables him to retain his share in Liverpool Football Club, then the only return that you will see on your investment is bad publicity and a severe backlash from Liverpool supporters worldwide.

As you are aware, Hicks is trying to refinance his debt to the Royal Bank of Scotland by October 1st so that he can continue his disastrous ownership of Liverpool Football Club.

You are facing an energized, well-informed mass of Liverpool fans from around the world. We are tapped into a constant stream of information on the ownership situation. Every day, dozens of web forums buzz with the latest news. Protest marches, newspaper ads, boycotts and billboards are organized. Every move Hicks makes is scrutinized as you can see from the attached photographs. And every associate of his is warned.

Refinancing is our nightmare scenario. Anybody who helps Tom Hicks refinance will become our primary target. Just ask the Blackstone Group / GSO Capital Partners who received 7,000 emails in the space of a few days from disgruntled Liverpool fans following refinancing talks with Hicks. They soon saw sense and ended negotiations with Hicks after Liverpool supporters bombarded them with emails and phone calls.

The Lying Rag Newspaper is another organisation who have felt the wrath of Liverpool fans following their disgraceful coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster in 1989. The boycott of the newspaper by Liverpool fans is said to have cost News International an estimated £10 million a year.

If you join Tom Hicks in raping and pillaging Liverpool Football Club, then you will be making a very powerful enemy.

You have been warned.


Yours faithfully,


KOP FAITHFUL
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=crump link=topic=41783.msg1183196#msg1183196 date=1285537108]
They re-lay the pitch 7 times a season at a cost of grillions and even when it's just been put down it looks like someone has been growing spuds on it.

Inter aren't off building their own stadium for nowt.
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Absolutely, and that's not all. Whatever our problems, we'll still have to shoulder the bulk of such costs because (a) we won't be able to afford not to have the work done and (b) the blueslime won't have the money OR the credit to be able to borrow it. A groundshare will give them a free ride on our backs. F'ck. That.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

We may have discussed this a million times, but is there nothing we can do about redeveloping Anfield? I know there were some issues about some of the streets nearby if I remember correctly.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41783.msg1183271#msg1183271 date=1285572427]
We may have discussed this a million times, but is there nothing we can do about redeveloping Anfield? I know there were some issues about some of the streets nearby if I remember correctly.
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Didn't it take them like 30 years to buy up some of the houses in the area?

I agree with rage (eek!) in that there is nothing wrong with borrowing for the stadium when everything else is more stable.
 
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Citibank is a very dangerous link. The lying, cheating fuckheads who actually paid their disastrous CEO 80 mill pounds as a farewell gift for causing upset, lying and loosing them huge amount of money. They must never be involved in anything regarding our fine club.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

Daily Fail reporting that Broughton will recieve 500k if the club is sold. Haven't seen any figure about his incentive before.
 
Re: Merged Topics: Club Refinance Thread

As long as he gets the job done right, that's a (relatively) small price to pay.
 
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