Our problem wasn't scoring last season, it is a bit worrying. Maybe he's aiming for 80% possession every game so the defence isn't an issue.
Liverpool bid £16mil for Alberto Moreno
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Our problem wasn't scoring last season, it is a bit worrying. Maybe he's aiming for 80% possession every game so the defence isn't an issue.
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so he didn't make the Spain final 23 . not sure if that will speed things up or slow them down as there is no rush .
The Mancs are offering him 100k a week apparantly. Thats nearly 30 mill more in wages and fee than Moreno over 5 years imho.
Its not worth it.
For 20 mill I'd sign Shaw no problem. 30 mill and 100k a week for a 18 year old? No.
Not sure if this has already been posted, but Sevilla fans reaction to our bid:
TRiCampenones: “To me it seems stupendous. Alberto has had some good games but Navarro has been capable of filling in. I hope they sell him.”
Pepe del Pino: “Without doubt, I would take him there if needs be.”
Nikolai: “It’s perfect, I don’t know what they’re waiting for.”
¡¡TRICAMPEONES!!: I wouldn’t even think about it, Suso is a player with magnificent skills and Alberto has had a very average season.”
Daniel Veterinario: “Wow that’s great. If needs be I will take him there.”
JJLP: “The price is good for me. Although €25m should be his price, I’m in if Suso’s loan deal has an option to buy included.”
Leo: “If it’s true, then it’s an absolute priority to sell him now. Don’t give them time to think about it.”
Lolo: “With this money maybe we wouldn’t have to sell anybody else. And finding a left-back is easier than a central midfielder or striker.”
ELADIO: “Sell him now, €20m is €20m, I hope he goes today. Good news.”
Manuel: “I will take him there myself.”
Juanma: “It would be a good deal, but I would ask for Luis Alberto.”
FER: “It’s not that we don’t want him, but to sell a left-back for €20m for me is the deal of the century.”
TRiCampenones: “To me it seems stupendous. Alberto has had some good games but Navarro has been capable of filling in. I hope they sell him.”
Pepe del Pino: “Without doubt, I would take him there if needs be.”
Nikolai: “It’s perfect, I don’t know what they’re waiting for.”
¡¡TRICAMPEONES!!: I wouldn’t even think about it, Suso is a player with magnificent skills and Alberto has had a very average season.”
Daniel Veterinario: “Wow that’s great. If needs be I will take him there.”
JJLP: “The price is good for me. Although €25m should be his price, I’m in if Suso’s loan deal has an option to buy included.”
Leo: “If it’s true, then it’s an absolute priority to sell him now. Don’t give them time to think about it.”
Lolo: “With this money maybe we wouldn’t have to sell anybody else. And finding a left-back is easier than a central midfielder or striker.”
ELADIO: “Sell him now, €20m is €20m, I hope he goes today. Good news.”
Manuel: “I will take him there myself.”
Juanma: “It would be a good deal, but I would ask for Luis Alberto.”
FER: “It’s not that we don’t want him, but to sell a left-back for €20m for me is the deal of the century.”
Looks like the Sevilla fans love him then...haha.
Sounds like the reaction you'd get from us if Glen Johnson was sold for €20m :s
2 million
It's because he's very average. Seriously i don't understand why we've bid so much for him or why we even want him. He doesn't look very good at all.
slightly worrying reactions - makes you think cole of a freebie is not that bad at all.
Lol. I'm convinced we have not much clue about how to value players.
Now I've never seen this dude, but 16-20 million seems bloody steep for a young left-back. Ghoulam, who was one of the top young left backs in France went for just 6 million to Napoli. Alex Sandro, who's a great prospect, was signed for 9 million by Porto. Kurzawa at Monaco would also be in the similar price range. There are also a couple of other left-backs at the World Cup worth watching - Eugenio Mena of Chile and Georgi Schennikov of Russia. I can't imagine them costing much more either.
But here we are ready to blow out of the water any possible competition for a player not even very highly rated by his own fans. It's a bid absurd.
In principle, I don't have an objection paying 16 million for a young player in a position we really need to strengthen - but if we're spending that much money, the kid better be shit hot, and really the amongst the best prospects going around. I'm not sure that's the case here.
Now I've never seen this dude, but 16-20 million seems bloody steep for a young left-back. Ghoulam, who was one of the top young left backs in France went for just 6 million to Napoli. Alex Sandro, who's a great prospect, was signed for 9 million by Porto. Kurzawa at Monaco would also be in the similar price range. There are also a couple of other left-backs at the World Cup worth watching - Eugenio Mena of Chile and Georgi Schennikov of Russia. I can't imagine them costing much more either.
But here we are ready to blow out of the water any possible competition for a player not even very highly rated by his own fans. It's a bid absurd.
In principle, I don't have an objection paying 16 million for a young player in a position we really need to strengthen - but if we're spending that much money, the kid better be shit hot, and really the amongst the best prospects going around. I'm not sure that's the case here.
If this recommendation is made by the same scout (Julian Ward) who recommended Aspas and Alberto, surely the committee has to analyze deeper?
Sevilla left-back Alberto Moreno is expected to travel to Liverpool next week to undergo a medical. (Estadio Deportivo)
I don't really know anything about him, but I think he probably qualifies as one of the highest rated prospects around. His name has cropped up a lot in the last few months in papers and among 'experts', being touted for big moves to various clubs. In fact I think the first I heard of him was on a list of possible targets for our left back spot, and he was only thrown in as an after-thought because he was considered out of our league and likely to sign for Real Madrid.
So common sense suggests there must be *something* there worth getting excited about.
Sevilla close to reach agreement with Liverpool for the sale of Moreno. Fee €21-22m, Medical expected next week: http://t.co/kqmvcDKhHi
Thats a lot of money for a player that wont go in an improve us straigt away.
That fee will surley get you Rodriguez.
Hope we know what we're doing. The Spanish league expert over here (CMore) seem to rate him but that fee is just ridiculous.
Thats a lot of money for a player that wont go in an improve us straigt away.
That fee will surley get you Rodriguez.
Hope we know what we're doing. The Spanish league expert over here (CMore) seem to rate him but that fee is just ridiculous.
I think it's hard to say how good a fee it is unless you've watched him quite a lot. If he's as good as some suggest then it's a bargain. If he's as bad as others say, it's a disaster.
In principle, though, I think £17m or so for a top young full back is perfectly ok.
Maybe mate, but its a lot of money for potential. I've asked a few mates who watch and follow La Liga and they say he's a very exciting prospect that will offer us a lot attacking wise with pace and skill. But the defensive side could be an issue.
Shaw is valued at 30 mill so you might have a decent point.
It's just the way the market has gone. Prices have risen a bit further still from what I was expecting - people are talking about £12m for Borini!
It's odd but £15m is no longer really a big fee in football.
rodriquez is highly rated good shout, more so than this guy?
I'd rather just get Cole to be honest ...
If Ashley Cole put on a liverpool shirt I'd have to support him but I wouldn't "rather" him to any sensible other option.
Oh, I agree certainly with the idea of paying 16-20 million for a top prospect who can solve a problem position for the next 6-8 years.
I'm just not convinced he's a top prospect. I tend to keep my eyes and ears open for prospects around the continent, and I'd never had heard of Moreno before he was linked to us. There were then certain stories about him joining Real, but agent-generated hype can be a great thing. A case in point is someone like M'vila - who, 3 years ago, was touted as the best CM in Europe - certain to join Real for 25 million. Today, he can't wait for a team to rescue him from Rubin fucking Kazan. Of course, that may be a case of attitude rather than talent issues, but I think the point about hype still stands.
With Moreno, I've not really read anyone say great things about his qualities - someone posted the Sevilla fans' reaction to him leaving - there were no less than TEN fans - and not one of them thought he was great. Every single person on here who saw him play in the Europa League final thought he was shit. And then there's Youtube - several videos of him have surfaced over the last couple of weeks - and having pored over 5-6 of them, I can't identify any particularly outstanding attribute.
I think when you're evaluating a 21 year old prospect, you really need to look more for attributes - ability on the ball, pace, and strength - rather than game intelligence or consistency (which come through coaching and experience).
With this kid, all I can see is that he has a nice touch and is comfortable on the ball (which I'd expect from most Spanish based players) - he doesn't seem to have great pace, great strength (in fact he seems to have some puppy fat) or very good centre of gravity (which I think is critical for full-backs who need to bomb up and down the wing and change angles constantly).
Perhaps he's in the Neville/Finnan mould of a very consistent full-back who makes no mistakes - but of course we'd need to see him over the course of a period of time to make that assessment. I just feel that based on the little information we have, this seems like a big gamble.
There's a lot talked about in this forum about trusting the management - but given what our Spanish based scouts came up with last season, trust is the last thing I have in them!
Playing in Spain?
Also - not being injured?
Staying healthy is the first thing ...
that too.
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