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Messi's next club? And the heap of shit Barca are in!

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He is 33, his contract ends next year. He looks pissed off at Barca, where are his likely destination, if he was to go this summer? I reckon he is worth £100m, with merch and promos paying most of his salary. However, which, major clubs would be willing to have such a superstar who could unsettle a dressing room?
Is City iconic enough? PSG, where's the challenge.?Juve, Ronaldo's there. BM they have a great squad, why upset the apple cart? That just leaves Man Utd imho, which would be scary
 
You'd think there'd only be any point leaving Barcelona if he was going to win the CL. Why bother with Utd? He's more likely to win trophies at Barcelona.

So Man City are a good bet. Us and Bayern are in the right positions as teams, but it's hard to see either happening because of his wages.

City is the only one that really makes sense imo.
 
He'll stay at Barca or return home to Artgentina.

Juve and Ronaldo have blocked his path that way.

Premier League will be too physical at 33 for him.
 
You'd think there'd only be any point leaving Barcelona if he was going to win the CL. Why bother with Utd? He's more likely to win trophies at Barcelona.

So Man City are a good bet. Us and Bayern are in the right positions as teams, but it's hard to see either happening because of his wages.

City is the only one that really makes sense imo.
City lack any prestige. At Man Utd, he could see himself as saviour, plus he will have a manager can command/control.
With Adidas as his and Man U's sponsor, commercially there's a natural fit
 
Mad as it sounds it might be time for them to cash in. He's not the problem there but their recruitment has been very poor recently so they can't have loads to spend. He'd fetch a fair chunk and open up the wage bill a lot and they could focus on trying to build around younger players. Griezmann doesn't seem to be having a great time there but was quality at Athletico, don't watch enough of Dembele to know how good he is. They need an overhaul probably as a club as much as they do as a team. Saw somewhere they've spent over 100 m on 3 different players. They were all on the bench last night and one came on to score twice...against them.
 
Mad as it sounds it might be time for them to cash in. He's not the problem there but their recruitment has been very poor recently so they can't have loads to spend. He'd fetch a fair chunk and open up the wage bill a lot and they could focus on trying to build around younger players. Griezmann doesn't seem to be having a great time there but was quality at Athletico, don't watch enough of Dembele to know how good he is. They need an overhaul probably as a club as much as they do as a team. Saw somewhere they've spent over 100 m on 3 different players. They were all on the bench last night and one came on to score twice...against them.
Appaz, has a clause which means he can walk for free
 
Barcelona's Champions League crisis could open the door for Liverpool transfer coup
Wake-up with Liverpool.com: Barcelona are a club in crisis. Their need to sell could see Liverpool swoop in for a transfer coup.

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Oliver ConnollyStaff Writer
  • 10:36, 15 AUG 2020
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Barcelona are in free fall. Following their disastrous 8-2 defeat to Bayern Munich, everything is on the table.
By the time you read this, Quique Setién will be fired. Lionel Messi could walk, activating the oft-discussed clause that would allow him to leave whenever he would like for free. Somehow, one of the most expensive squads ever assembled looks like it needs another £400 million remodeling… all while the club is flat broke.
Not content with all that, Barca are also six months away from election day -- slated to be somewhere in March -- where the current incumbent, Josep Maria Bartomeu, is, unsurprisingly, expected to be swept aside.
Running against Bartomeu will be Víctor Font, who is expected to bring former midfield maestro Xavi with him in a bid to channel some of that Pep Guardiola 2008-2012 goodness. Former president Joan Laporta, who ran the club from 2003-2010, is also expected to challenge, with his stated goal being to bring Pep back to Barcelona… or to hire Xavi.
But given the function of elections in the Spanish game both regimes will have to wait, all while Baromeu makes one, last, desperate bid to keep the job this summer (Spoiler: he won’t), meaning it’s unclear exactly what Xavi whoever the new board opts for will be walking into.
One thing is safe to assume: it will be a club in crisis.

Setien will move on; He was the board’s fourth choice is the first place, an idealist who failed to live out his ideals, reverting to an in-over-his-head pragmatism, a brand of pragmatism that led to the club’s third successive champions league disaster, probably the most embarrassing to date. After Rome and Anfield, that’s hard.
But where do they go from here? Mauricio Pochettino is the obvious pick, and the one noted by critics as the best choice. Pochettino has warmed to Barca’s interest after previously saying he couldn’t manage the Catalan giants following his love-affair with city rivals Espanyol. According to The Athletic , he is now interested in the job — which is nice of him.
And while Pochettino is undeniably one of the finest team-builders and head coaches in the game, someone with a defined style, philosophy, and a bunch of success, does he really jive with this overinflated, middle-aged squad? Will Antoine Griezmann and Sergio Busquets and Ivan Rakitic and Messi and Gerard Pique and David Alba play Poch’s go-go style?
The average age of Barcelona’s squad is 31. These are not young legs; a lack of pressing doomed both Setien and Ernesto Valverde before him. Even if they want to, for the right manager, can those players still crank it to the necessary level? Probably not.
And although Poch does seem like the imminent appointment, isn’t it odd to take a job when you know full well there will be a new boss in six months who will want to bring in his own guy?
The real issue here is recruitment. The squad is old, overpaid, and lacking in direction.
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Barcelona has made the three most expensive signings in the club’s history in the past three years, all three in the top-six in football history: Griezmann, Ousmane Dembélé, and Phillipe Coutinho. In the 8-2 defeat, two of them started on the bench and the other played for Bayern, scoring two goals against his parent club as an added bonus.
As an extra insult: if Coutinho goes on to win the Champions League with Bayern, Barcelona will owe Liverpool £5million of the incentive-heavy £142 million deal the sides struck in 2018. Coutinho’s clause is a player-clause that runs while he’s on a Barcelona’s books, and is independent of the kit he’s wearing.
The club has cobbled together a squad of aged, tired veterans, not-good-enough squad players, and out-of-their-depth new signings who fit no coherent scheme or structure.
Add to all of this: The club is in a financial mess. Barcelona had a cashflow issue before the COVID-19 pandemic. As with all football clubs, the pandemic and subsequent recession has accelerated their financial fears.
The club borrowed all of the money it needed to buy Greizmann last summer -- £104 million -- in cash (not installments) while also continuing to borrow to redevelop the Camp Nou and their training complex.
I remind you: Greizmann is a 30-year-old forward who did not and does not fit in any of Barcelona’s muddled structures.
Bad transfer business has left the club on the precipice. The ageing players the club wants to move on have little-to-no market. Ivan Rakitic may bolt on a cut-price deal, but one player alone won’t fix this disaster. The sole player Barca set a move up for last year was Vidal, who looked set to join Antonio Conte’s Inter on a season-long loan. The issue: Vidal was Barcelona’s best player, non-Messi division; the GOAT wasn’t going to allow his friend and fellow player-who-actually-tries to leave when the rest of the squad looked so bereft of talent and effort.
The club’s loan re-payments or soaring. And as Real Madrid showed last month teams with big loan bills will have to fund the payments through selling assets on the cheap. Madrid allowed highly-rated youngster Achraf Hakimi to leave to Inter for £40 million, well below his perceived value. Madrid had to raise around £40 million in time for July 30th, when a loan payment kicked in; they didn’t have time to haggle or negotiate.
Hakimi was one of the few players of ‘value’ in the squad who wasn’t on ginormous wages and so was coveted by a band of Europe’s top clubs. Knowing Madrid’s financial bind, Inter offered a cheap amount and concluded the deal before there was time for the Hakimi sweepstakes to develop.
Barcelona lacks similar assets they can use to generate the money needed to pay their bills and then re-invest to revolutionize this squad. The players they want to move are paid too much, and the asking prices are too high, for clubs to have real interest. They might be able to part with Coutinho if they stump up a massive portion of the wages. There could be suitors Dembélé, if it weren’t for the pandemic and his injury record.
The remaining crop of players have little re-sale value orare the only few with affordable wage packets.
Here is where Europe’s elite will swoop, and Liverpool can get involved.
Bubbling away behind the Jadon Sancho interest and their scattergun approach to transfers in general, Manchester United have been ahead of the Barca-Crisis game: United have consistently lodged interest and bids for Ansu Fati, the club’s teenage sensation.
Fati has had the best statistical season of any Barcelona debutant in the club’s post-war history, which is something given the two greatest players of all time have played for the club.
Fati is the guiding light of what a post-Messi Barcelona might look like. As of now he plays on the left as a wide-forward, all pace and tricks and enjoyment and directness. There have been plenty of false dawns in the late-Messi eras, players who have cropped up as the next thing, who could supplement Messi and then take the mantle. Fanti isn’t that, he’s the real deal.
United have been smart enough to keep tabs in case Barcelona are forced to sell -- though the club insists he’s going nowhere and they’ll work out a long, long, long, long-term deal with the teenager. Whether they can pull it off or not (they likely won’t), it’s a smart strategy from a club who’ve lacked either smarts or strategy over the past decade.
Fati isn’t the only one, although there aren’t a great deal left. After flogging the likes of Malcolm, Marc Cucerella, Marc Cardona, and Paco Alcácer in the summer, the club started stripped assets in January in order to raise funds before the coronavirus outbreak: Carles Alena, Jean-Clair Tobido, Moussa Wagué, and Carlés Perez, all 21 or under and considered the future of the club, were loaned out, three with options to buy.
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Some of those may return, but the club will likely have to cash-in this summer in order to raise some money.
Liverpool should sweep in. Relationships may be frayed following the Coutinho deal (though Barca only has itself to blame for that) but such things can quickly be sorted when money enters the equation.

Fati would be the headliner, but there’s Riqui Puig and Ronald Araújo and Pedri, all players that have shown promise amidst this year's mess.
Michael Edwards and co. will steer clear of the top-line stars -- Coutinho, Demblélé, et al. -- but they would be wise to keep a tabs on which of their youngsters Barca will be willing to let go below their market value.
 
Messi will go back to Argentina. He'll have seen how Raul, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol etc. faded into obscurity after leaving Spain at that age.
 
AC Milan is the only likely destination. I would estimate 35% on that happening, but most likely he will stay at Barcelona.
 
I don't see him leaving Barcelona when it comes to it but if he does, I can't see him coming to England. It would be more likely Italy, possibly Inter Milan.
 
Why is everyone talking about Xavi? Barca were still successful when he left.
It's all about Iniesta. He's the one they never really replaced.
 
You'd think there'd only be any point leaving Barcelona if he was going to win the CL. Why bother with Utd? He's more likely to win trophies at Barcelona.

So Man City are a good bet. Us and Bayern are in the right positions as teams, but it's hard to see either happening because of his wages.

City is the only one that really makes sense imo.
Or PSG to team up with Neymar.
 
City lack any prestige. At Man Utd, he could see himself as saviour, plus he will have a manager can command/control.
With Adidas as his and Man U's sponsor, commercially there's a natural fit
Not a chance. For Messi why risk it by going to a club with little chance of glory in the short term (and he only has a short term left in him) and for United why mess with a forward line that is young, skilful and scoring lots of goals - they don't need Messi going there and fucking up the dynamics. As for Messi he won't want a project - it'll be all about the here and now. Which is why City or PSG are virtually the only two clubs in the running should he decide for a last fling.
 
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As an extra insult: if Coutinho goes on to win the Champions League with Bayern, Barcelona will owe Liverpool £5million of the incentive-heavy £142 million deal the sides struck in 2018. Coutinho’s clause is a player-clause that runs while he’s on a Barcelona’s books, and is independent of the kit he’s wearing.

i'll be rooting for bayern for the CL then.
three birds with one stone.
 
I have a feeling they will go to court to contest that such a payment is due, and take a fourth L for their trouble.
 
I was thinking the same last night... that Messi leaving might be a good thing for the club. They could finally let reality sink in and rebuild. As long as he's there, they keep falling into the trap of panicked short-termism.

How they let Abidal keep his job as long as he did is beyond me though.
 
I was thinking the same last night... that Messi leaving might be a good thing for the club. They could finally let reality sink in and rebuild. As long as he's there, they keep falling into the trap of panicked short-termism.

How they let Abidal keep his job as long as he did is beyond me though.

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I was thinking the same last night... that Messi leaving might be a good thing for the club. They could finally let reality sink in and rebuild. As long as he's there, they keep falling into the trap of panicked short-termism.

How they let Abidal keep his job as long as he did is beyond me though.

Doesn't he have more than 30 goals and 25 assists this season? Barca's transfer strategy has been atrocious and obviously they have a huge wage bill but I don't think the problems they have are insurmountable. It is nothing a good manager with a vision cant fix. Messi, Dembele, Griezmann, Coutinho, De Jong - these are top-class players to work with. A good manager will be able to fashion a very good attack and a competent defense with the players they have combined with La Masia players and astute signings. They also have the advantage that outside of Real Madrid players, they can pick and choose La Liga players who will drop everything and start agitating for the move at the first scent of Barcelona interest.

But the problem is that outside of Cruyff and Pep - they never give managers the freedom to fashion a team. Second, they need to understand that every time they get knocked out of the Champions League in March or April, it is not a tragedy that needs to be fixed by September. It happens.

And they also need to remember that before the Ronaldinho era started in 2003, Nottingham Forest had twice the number of European championship as them. And this is a club with - Cruyff, Ronaldo, Romario, Laudrup, Stoichkov, Rivaldo, Maradona - have one European championship to show for before 2003. So it is not like they have some kind of legendary divine right to win the champions league every year.
 
I’m not sure Messi is really the problem either, its more that they’re so loopsided and unbalanced that its now him/Suarez or nothing. In La Liga they’re just about okay with that approach but when faced with better teams with high quality they fall short.
They’ve aged badly, not recruited for the long term and in all honesty arent keeping up with the top clubs in terms of playing style anymore.

Their inabilty to hire a proper manager is also just horrendous managing by the club.

They need to rebuild, they need to let some of these old fuckers leave and they need to get up to speed with the rest of the top clubs.
You can have Messi in there, but not as the only main man they are reliant on going forward.

Todibo, Ansu Fati and De Jong are all young players with loads of potential.
Its the Griezmann’s and Dembele’s that dont fit in at all.

That said, I enjoy their demise. And long may it continue.
 
Obviously Messi is fantastic still, and for me, the greatest player ever, but he was bad last night. Think that might be the first time I've ever seen him have a bad game. It was certainly the first time I've watched him and seen an actual tangible decline in his game. I'm a huge fan, and it was quite sad.

He's so good that he could still play at the top for a couple of years yet, but Barcelona have done nothing to suggest that they're anywhere near replacing him and building a new team.

If they're as fucked financially as has been reported, they might well go through some sharp decline when he's done. They've got nobody there even close to picking up the mantle, and don't seem to have any sort of strategy of how to go on without him.
 
If he leaves Barca, it's PSG or Man City (due to $$$s)

I'm happy Barca are tanking - they build an amazing team through La Masia, with few big signing with Pep ... After that, the arrogance led them to come for Cesc, Suarez, Coutinho, Dembele etc and they did it in ways which a) weren't beneficial for the team b) ignored their lack of defenders and c) at ridiculous costs.

They need to rebuild ... gut it all out, and re-start. They have a start in the making in Fati ... build around him and hope they can somehow stay afloat until all the $$$s they've wasted even off
 
You'd think there'd only be any point leaving Barcelona if he was going to win the CL. Why bother with Utd? He's more likely to win trophies at Barcelona.

So Man City are a good bet. Us and Bayern are in the right positions as teams, but it's hard to see either happening because of his wages.

City is the only one that really makes sense imo.

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