Mistakes this season
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Playing Keita against Madrid.
Starting Jota over Firmino
Starting Jota over Firmino
The mistakes were made in the seasons leading up to this one.
We've known for a few years now that we have no reliable cover in attack, no reliable cover in the fullback positions and a bunch of central defenders that can't stay fit.
We have also known that relying on the same small group of players to perform in the way that a manager like Klopp expects season after season is unrealistic.
Klopp has unquestionably made mistakes this season (playing Jota in a meaningless CL game stands out as the most mind boggingly infuriating one) but he's had next to no leeway.
It all seems to point to the same - I'd like to say naive but we know it's not - mindset where managers don't / can't make mistakes, players can't get injured or lose form and there is no tolerance for any transfer market misfires.
That's no way to run a so called elite club. I'm not privy to what goes on behind closed doors so I can't say exactly what percentage of the overall blame should be apportioned to FSG but what I can say with absolute certainty is that it's not zero.
Part of me agrees with you. Part is the opposite.
We bought in Jota to relieve that pressure. Then fucked it up when we should’ve sent the u18s.
We couldn’t spend £40 million on backup full backs and tried to address left back. That didn’t work out but not every transfer works out.
VVD being taken out was not the clubs fault. Nobody’s. That plus Jota killed our season.
So far, not anything I can pin on FSG.
Spunking £140k/wk on Thiago is ridiculous considering what we needed. That’s money which could’ve been spent elsewhere.
Hindsight is a bitch. we’ve been majorly fucked whatever way you look at it.
But what do you want from owners? Self sufficient rewarding success or plough money in and be a play thing?
We bought in Jota to relieve that pressure. Then fucked it up when we should’ve sent the u18s.
We couldn’t spend £40 million on backup full backs and tried to address left back. That didn’t work out but not every transfer works out.
VVD being taken out was not the clubs fault. Nobody’s. That plus Jota killed our season.
So far, not anything I can pin on FSG.
Spunking £140k/wk on Thiago is ridiculous considering what we needed. That’s money which could’ve been spent elsewhere.
Hindsight is a bitch. we’ve been majorly fucked whatever way you look at it.
But what do you want from owners? Self sufficient rewarding success or plough money in and be a play thing?
Jota has come one season too late. We should have had a Jota-type signing last season and one this season as Origi and Shaq can't be depended upon. We have four dependable players for the front three positions which means that we don't have any buffer to account for the loss of form or injuries. Even if we did not lose Van Dijk, I am not 100% sure how we would have done. We have run TAA, Mane, Firmino to the ground mentally and physically.
Not throwing my toys out of the pram or expecting FSG to invest like City or Chelsea. But just stating the reality of it. We just don't have the squad for a sustained challenge for the league and champions league.
It was that same cursed Midgetland game, mate. Trent was made captain, Salah gave an interview saying that he was “disappointed,” then Klopp said that in hindsight Origi should have been the captain (WTF?).
Feels like you’re mixing two agendas here mate - if we’re talking value for money, how come Keita gets 3yrs and we’re still saying “errrm, there might be a player in there” whilst spunking 120k a week on him but Thiago isn’t given any time to settle? Not to rattle cages even more, but in the same vein, we’re saying Milly is well worth his 140k per week are we? And Bobby taking home the best part of 200k per week as one of the clubs top earners isn’t looking “ridiculous” at the moment?
Would I have hoped for more from Thiago? Certainly. But calling the financial outlay on him ridiculous is bollocks
I’d fuck off Keita too. He should’ve been sold after 2 pointless seasons. Milner is in his final season and can contribute in a leadership capacity if not physically.
Maybe I should’ve added the £28m or whatever fee to my narrative. All of that could’ve been spent elsewhere than on him. I have the opinion you shouldn’t buy someone over 27 who has never played in this league. There is few successful ones who have done so compared to those who couldn’t cope.
Bobby looks gone too and I half expected him to leave last summer had everything in the world not gone to shit.
Some fair points. However, whilst I don’t think it’s worked brilliantly so far the Thiago move was a reasonable one compared to other deals and comparable players. I do question people’s stance on exiting players though. Some of them we are simply stuck with having to make work - no one is picking up Keita, Firmino et al if you did want to get shot of them for anywhere near the fees banded around, or on the salaries we have them on. So you’re talking loans and contributing to salaries to have them play for someone else, and not massive contributions to a transfer warchest in my view
We are stuck with them. Who knows what may have happened without the pandemic. There could’ve been some teams that would’ve given us hefty sums for those players.
I think we kind of shoehorned Thiago being the answer to what we needed without understanding what was it we needed.
Come on, there is no way anyone can play the hindsight is 20/20 card.
As I said in the previous post, the issues have been plain for all to see and have been building on multiple fronts for a couple seasons now.
And as Peekay said, it's not about having a sugar daddy owner (though yes, I'd take that), it's about investing when you need to, selling when you need to and planning appropriately and smartly.
Over the last few years whoever has been making decisions has been far too comfortable letting Klopp and co paper over the cracks.
I think you need to look st how often the preferred midfield 3 of Fabs, Thiago & Hendo have played in front of Big Virg and Matip or Gomez.
Thiago isn’t a bad player and relatively speaking didn’t cost a massive amount (comparable to what we spent on Stewart Downing a decade ago) - but there aren’t many players you could chuck into a team that’s all over the place with injuries and players out of position, lineup constantly changing and expect them to knit everything together.
This entire season has been a shit-show - the only positive is the emergence of Curtis Jones as someone who play a very big part in the team’s future. I hesitate to add Jota to the list because he wasn’t cheap (though a fair price all things considered), but his injury should not have made such a difference to arguably the best forward line on the planet.
Everything... absolutely everything has been an unmitigated disaster, from Transfer inactivity, to injuries to pretty much everyone, to the lack of fans, to awful decisions by officials, to players huffing about shite they shouldn’t be, to tactical fuckups... even to a shite range of kits!!!!
I picked the wrong day to give up booze again....
Thiago isn’t a bad player and relatively speaking didn’t cost a massive amount (comparable to what we spent on Stewart Downing a decade ago) - but there aren’t many players you could chuck into a team that’s all over the place with injuries and players out of position, lineup constantly changing and expect them to knit everything together.
This entire season has been a shit-show - the only positive is the emergence of Curtis Jones as someone who play a very big part in the team’s future. I hesitate to add Jota to the list because he wasn’t cheap (though a fair price all things considered), but his injury should not have made such a difference to arguably the best forward line on the planet.
Everything... absolutely everything has been an unmitigated disaster, from Transfer inactivity, to injuries to pretty much everyone, to the lack of fans, to awful decisions by officials, to players huffing about shite they shouldn’t be, to tactical fuckups... even to a shite range of kits!!!!
I picked the wrong day to give up booze again....
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