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Modo said:
The problem isn't only that it's 200k deaths. It's that it's not slowing down.
In Sweden, despite our high death rates, infection rates has slowed down significantly.
The mistake we made was that we weren't able to protect our elderly in care homes etc. That's basically it. Our economy has taken a hit but nowhere near as hard as other European countries. Was it worth it considering the amount of deaths? It's debatable.
We don't fear a 2nd wave as much as other countries who did a complete lock down.
Maybe we haven't said it officially but we're obviously going for herd immunity.
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Herd immunity is quite a risk for a new virus, there's no way of knowing if immunity lasts only a year or so (like the majority of other coronaviruses) or lasts a lot longer. That makes a big difference to it's viability. It'll also be a little pointless if the portion of the country without immunity want to travel to other countries without the same level of immunity or those people want to travel there. Really need vaccines or instant tests to be able to control it properly.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
Herd immunity is quite a risk for a new virus, there's no way of knowing if immunity lasts only a year or so (like the majority of other coronaviruses) or lasts a lot longer. That makes a big difference to it's viability. It'll also be a little pointless if the portion of the country without immunity want to travel to other countries without the same level of immunity or those people want to travel there. Really need vaccines or instant tests to be able to control it properly.
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That's true, obviously a vaccine is the only real solution.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
Herd immunity is quite a risk for a new virus, there's no way of knowing if immunity lasts only a year or so (like the majority of other coronaviruses) or lasts a lot longer. That makes a big difference to it's viability. It'll also be a little pointless if the portion of the country without immunity want to travel to other countries without the same level of immunity or those people want to travel there. Really need vaccines or instant tests to be able to control it properly.
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Antibodies don't always last even 12 months.

A friend who is a nurse gets tested regularly & they also did a full antibody test. They were telling her in some people the antibodies last just three months.
 
Modo said:
That's true, obviously a vaccine is the only real solution.
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Vaccines don't adequately protect all of those vaccinated anyway, this isn't a smallpox jab. As per the flu jab it's likely only 60% or so will benefit from being vaccinated. And next year it'll have mutated and a new vaccine will be required. Vaccines aren't the answer .. the virus mutating itself into oblivion likely is.
 
Frogfish said:
Vaccines don't adequately protect all of those vaccinated anyway, this isn't a smallpox jab. As per the flu jab it's likely only 60% or so will benefit from being vaccinated. And next year it'll have mutated and a new vaccine will be required. Vaccines aren't the answer .. the virus mutating itself into oblivion likely is.
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Fuck me. This thing is never ending.
 
Sorry if I'm stating the bleeding obvious. We all know this season is going to get binned at some point right?
 
ctlovesred said:
They will rest easy tonight knowing that 99.997% of them, if they even catch the virus, will not die.
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This is bollocks ct, you pro trump nutter.
Let’s do some quick math to show you you’re a nob.
Your percentage there means that 3 in every 100,000 cases dies. If every single American (330,000,000 people) caught the virus, using your numbers that would amount to a total of 9,900 deaths. While that number of people dying is in itself horrible, the fact that more than 200,000 Americans have already died from it while there are fewer than 8,000,000 confirmed cases. I know by your politics that you are a Trump lickspittle - and guess that you don’t wear a mask because you admire the cunt. Please do fuck off with your retarded shite.
 
CDC just said less than 10,000 people died of Covid itself. All others were of advanced age and had multiple comorbidities. So, your math is right even though you were trying to use it to cudgel me.

But whatever. You and Single rider go on being so smart and condescending and sheep. I'm sure the government will save you if you just be extra compliant and do exactly what they say this time.

I'll go back to my quasi lurking so as not to offend all of your tender sensibilities.
 
ctlovesred said:
CDC just said less than 10,000 people died of Covid itself. All others were of advanced age and had multiple comorbidities. So, your math is right even though you were trying to use it to cudgel me.

But whatever. You and Single rider go on being so smart and condescending and sheep. I'm sure the government will save you if you just be extra compliant and do exactly what they say this time.

I'll go back to my quasi lurking so as not to offend all of your tender sensibilities.
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Lol
 
ctlovesred said:
CDC just said less than 10,000 people died of Covid itself. All others were of advanced age and had multiple comorbidities. So, your math is right even though you were trying to use it to cudgel me.

But whatever. You and Single rider go on being so smart and condescending and sheep. I'm sure the government will save you if you just be extra compliant and do exactly what they say this time.

I'll go back to my quasi lurking so as not to offend all of your tender sensibilities.
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The reason they use covid positive tests within 28 days as the death figure is because covid means their body can't fight other illnesses or conditions properly due to lack of oxygen getting into the bloodstream plus the fact it's working overtime to fight virus cells that are rapidly growing.

Ok, let's use an example everyone can understand as we've lived with it in society for so long.

Say someone has Aids. They get a cold, & die. You wouldn't say they died of a cold. The cold may technically be what killed them, but had they not had Aids then they wouldn't have died of the cold...
 
ctlovesred said:
CDC just said less than 10,000 people died of Covid itself. All others were of advanced age and had multiple comorbidities. So, your math is right even though you were trying to use it to cudgel me.

But whatever. You and Single rider go on being so smart and condescending and sheep. I'm sure the government will save you if you just be extra compliant and do exactly what they say this time.

I'll go back to my quasi lurking so as not to offend all of your tender sensibilities.
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"They didn't die of Covid itself but complications caused by Covid that wouldn't have otherwise existed and wouldn't have killed them but technically it wasn't Covid" is the best you got huh?

That's like arguing that loads of cancer patients don't actually die from cancer, because it's pneumonia that finishes them off. Desperate, embarrassing clutching at straws.

So yeah, I'm being condescending, as you deserve nothing less, you absolute spaz.

But seeing as suddenly science and the CDC numbers and view on things seem to hold so much weight with you, let's see what Bob Anderson, head of mortality statistics at the CDC has to say:

"In 94% of deaths with COVID-19, other conditions are listed in addition to COVID-19. These causes may include chronic conditions like diabetes or hypertension"

"In 6% of the death certificates that list Covid-19, only one cause or condition is listed"

"The underlying cause of death is the condition that began the chain of events that ultimately led to the person's death. In 92% of all deaths that mention Covid-19, Covid-19 is listed as the underlying cause of death."

But please, carry on telling me how I'm the sheep for not agreeing with the shitty facebook meme and actually listening to what the scientists say, rather than regurgitating the false and facile talking points that my political party are pushing.

You're a fucking joke. A really shit, bad taste, unfunny joke, whose punchline is "200,000 dead...and rising!"

So yeah, if you're gonna try and bring this bullshit, please feel free to fuck off back to lurking
 
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It truly pains me the reverence scientists are gaining through this pandemic, utterly undeserved and misplaced. All these people who aren't scientists, haven't done any science, don't know what it is, have all formed their appreciation of science based upon the great works of people long since dead. It's like looking upon the works of Kenny Dalglish, then being in awe of football, and somehow going from that to bowing down before Lucas. Lucas is not Dalglish. People need to stop this, stop listening to moronic modern scientists, they're scum and they're dangerous. Kill them all, before it's too late.
 
Question: Does wearing a mask lower the risk?
Scientist: The consensus advice is that it does.
Question: Advice? I don't want your fucking advice, it's a yes or no question. What's the answer?
Scientist: The scientific consensus says that
Question: Let me stop you there. Let's try again. Does wearing a mask lower risk. Yes? Or no?
Scientist: There is no evidence to suggest that it increases the risk
Question: What are you fucking retarded? If you haven't done the work, that is why there is no evidence. Did you do the work to answer my question?
Scientist: No
Question:
Scientist: Do I still get my funding right?
People: *bows down to expert scientists, laps up all of their consensus / advice, hands over tax monies to fund more advice*
Dantes: *kills everyone*
 
ctlovesred said:
Latest official survival rates, per the CDC.

0 to 19 - 99.997%
20 to 49 - 99.98%
50 t0 69 - 99.5%
70+ - 94.6% chance.

36x more likely to die by choking on food. Which, given the average sports fan, is probably low.

Lock it all down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Long term side effects not to mention the inability to access services because everything is tied up with Covid patients.
 
This is it forever. There's no way these cunts in charge are gonna give up these new powers and all this control. The virus is obviously real, but they're gonna find some way of benefiting from it and lining all their mates' pockets.
 
ctlovesred said:
CDC just said less than 10,000 people died of Covid itself. All others were of advanced age and had multiple comorbidities. So, your math is right even though you were trying to use it to cudgel me.

But whatever. You and Single rider go on being so smart and condescending and sheep. I'm sure the government will save you if you just be extra compliant and do exactly what they say this time.

I'll go back to my quasi lurking so as not to offend all of your tender sensibilities.
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“Sheep”. I can’t imagine a better word for you conspiracy theory cunts believing more brain dead cunts on the internet. Honestly ctlovesred - you are a fucking retard. It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t have the ability to recognize it.
 
dantes said:
It truly pains me the reverence scientists are gaining through this pandemic, utterly undeserved and misplaced. All these people who aren't scientists, haven't done any science, don't know what it is, have all formed their appreciation of science based upon the great works of people long since dead. It's like looking upon the works of Kenny Dalglish, then being in awe of football, and somehow going from that to bowing down before Lucas. Lucas is not Dalglish. People need to stop this, stop listening to moronic modern scientists, they're scum and they're dangerous. Kill them all, before it's too late.
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You’re describing yourself. Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up dantes. Normally I’m quite placid, but cunts peddling politically motivated falsehoods at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead people is fucking nauseating.
 
In August 2020, in England, covid was the 24th leading cause of death. (Office of National Statistics).

Are you guys equally terrified of the 23 more significant killers ?
 
Dirty Sanchez said:
You’re describing yourself. Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up dantes. Normally I’m quite placid, but cunts peddling politically motivated falsehoods at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead people is fucking nauseating.
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To be fair, "hundreds of thousands of dead people" is what dantes would call a slow day at the office.
 
Dirty Sanchez said:
You’re describing yourself. Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up dantes. Normally I’m quite placid, but cunts peddling politically motivated falsehoods at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead people is fucking nauseating.
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The Dalglish of scientists. I suppose yes that is a fair description.
 
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