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rurikbird

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This is meant to be kind of an echo of the “Liverpool attack analyzed” thread. Our defence has been criticized a lot earlier in the season; some pundits insisted this was our big weakness that will prevent us from challenging City. You don’t hear it brought up so much any more; since the 2:2 game at Chelsea, we have conceded a total of 3 goals in 8 games, Van Dijk is very close to his best again and a more stable situation in midfield (I think that was the real weakness!) means the defensive line now has more protection.



The Burnley game also brought our offside trap into focus. As exemplified by Fabinho’s hilarious interview, the perception doesn’t match reality here - in fact the offside trap and the high line have been super effective for us this season. Here are a couple of screenshots from the last game and relevant stats collected by Neil Mellor (he is now working for LFCTV and IMO is an excellent analyst):

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Again, this is about perception vs reality. A successfully executed offside trap is not celebrated like a tackle, block or interception, let alone an attacking element of play, but maybe it should be - it’s the cleanest way to stop an opposition attack cold in its tracks and to win the ball back without any risk of counter-press. The difference is it’s a collective rather than individual type of action that requires a great deal of game understanding and trust in your teammates and it’s not especially aesthetically pleasing (unless you enjoy watching opposition strikers curse). But please let’s stop calling it “risky” - it’s brave, just like passing the ball from the back under pressure, which used to give fans palpitations and attract scorn from old-timey pundits and is now accepted as perfectly normal. And we happen to be the best team in the country at this by some distance - every one of these 101 offside traps we made this season is a prevented potential goal-scoring chance.

After the horror-show of last season, I actually enjoy watching us defend again.
 
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i'm trying to think which other famous teams in the past play with such a high line like us too.

Or did we just trademark and made this our own instead ?
 
In the Burnley match, there were a few close calls. If they had put the ball into the net, it would have been very close if it goes to VAR (from the replays I have seen).

It seems we are playing a little on probability with our high line and playing for the offside.

One, we are hoping for a shit linesman who flags to save our skin (whether correct or wrong call).

Two, we can rely on VAR to check if they indeed do put the ball into the net.

I do think probability is on our side so it's a good strategy regardless of the multiple heart attacks we will get from seeing someone break the offside.
 
Don't shoot me, but VAR helps us with this high line as there is reduced chance of an incorrect decision.

When we are cruising and 2 up though it would make sense to either sit back a bit, or not to have the 2 full backs bomb onto leave us exposed as happens frequently in what ahould be comfortable matches.
 
Don't shoot me, but VAR helps us with this high line as there is reduced chance of an incorrect decision.

When we are cruising and 2 up though it would make sense to either sit back a bit, or not to have the 2 full backs bomb onto leave us exposed as happens frequently in what ahould be comfortable matches.
I’m with you. Against Chelsea and Spurs we should’ve gone, right, we got the second, now let’s see it out to half/full time. Drop deeper and keep it tight. We kept high and were punished. There’s 4 points dropped.
 
I understand the reluctance from klopp to change when 2 up, as it could (in theory) destabilise how we play and invite more pressure on us. We're not great with backs to the wall defending; arguably better to play how we play and hope for a third
 
It sounds good when we play Burnley.

I'm not so sure a high line is the best way to deal with Mbappe in the quarter finals.
 
Maybe I am wrong but isn't our high line meant more as an assistance to our attack rather than our defence?
There is a calculation that says that while it weakens our defence a little, that is more than compensated for by how it improves out attacking opportunities.
 
Konate was great. I'm not sure he did anything Matip can't do though.

When Konate hits a pass it's like he has 1m3 cement on his boots. There's not too much feel.

However, he was great and its great to have competition, almost all over the park now. Feels weirdly strange..

Bring them all on!
 
Konate was great. I'm not sure he did anything Matip can't do though.

When Konate hits a pass it's like he has 1m3 cement on his boots. There's not too much feel.

However, he was great and its great to have competition, almost all over the park now. Feels weirdly strange..

Bring them all on!

True, bringing the ball out of defense is the one aspect where we missed Matip tonight.
 
Konate can pass though, it might not look pretty at times but he can pass long and short. Matip is better technically, but Konate is better at being a brick wall and holding his ground, he's quicker too.
 
Maybe I am wrong but isn't our high line meant more as an assistance to our attack rather than our defence?
There is a calculation that says that while it weakens our defence a little, that is more than compensated for by how it improves out attacking opportunities.


Yes, forces more quick turnovers when we lose the ball. Often the other team is unbalanced then.

Of course, we risk getting sliced open, or a decent ball over the top, but if the midfield and attackers are fighting hard to press, it works.
 


I would count hitting the underside of the bar as a shot on goal to be fair.

BTW what happened to Lautaro? He is supposed to be their biggest remaining talent, but even Inter fans didn’t want to see him start and in hindsight you could understand why…
 
Konate can pass though, it might not look pretty at times but he can pass long and short. Matip is better technically, but Konate is better at being a brick wall and holding his ground, he's quicker too.
The brick wall bit really helps in some of these games too..😀
 
This wasnt meant to be serious, right? Virgil doesnt seem to have lost any pace at all.

He seems slower on the turn to me, but he's not slow at all really, and he has it all in the head anyway, cf Hyppia. That's an extra yard straight away.

He (thankfully) looks back close to his best.
 
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