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rurikbird

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All right, we've all been discussing Slot to death (I think there are at least 3 Slot threads on the first page), but I still feel the biggest culprits are the players - it was not the manager's tactics that suddenly forced good players to be bad, it was the underperformance by a lot of the key players that posed a set of problems that Slot has been unable to solve. Let's go through the list from worst to best:

Frimpong - negligible contribution, so far the most forgettable signing.
Gomez - the fact that no matter how poor Konate has been he has never pushed for a starting place or justified another look in his brief appearances says a lot. Sadly, he should have been sold.
Konate - strong contender for scapegoat #1 this season, his head is all over the place and so is his performance level, even within one game as it was yesterday. He can be very good, but he is also an emotional player and clearly letting external things affect him. The club has a decision to make.
Kerkez - most baffling underperformance of the new signings. Such a shame, because we needed him to be good right away.
MacAllister - scapegoat #2. It's hard to point to fitness issues as an excuse at the end of November and he did have a couple of improved games before dropping his level again. Baffling as he should have been one of the on-pitch leaders.
Salah - scapegoat #3. Started the season in his worst form in years, unbalancing the team who had to carry a wasteful attacker who doesn't defend week after week. To his credit started to look more like himself in the last few games (including the first half-hour against Forest), so what do you do with him now? Doesn't make sense dropping him now that he's in a better form, but other issues remain.
Gakpo - scapegoat #4. Probably Slot's biggest blind spot, epitomizing what has been wrong with his approach - he's a useful attacking bludgeon to convert dominance into goals, but he's also fairly useless when you're not dominant, which we clearly mostly aren't. Every possible path to a first 11 that doesn't get outplayed every week for me starts with replacing Gakpo with someone else, then bringing him on when we've earned the right to play. I can't believe how Slot doesn't see it.
Isak - scapegoat #5. You start to wonder if some Geordie curse is upon him and us as a result of the acrimonious exit. He looks nothing like the player he was. There is definitely a player there to unlock, but you need a manager with serious psychological skill and for whatever reason Slot has been unable to connect with Isak.
Robertson - same brave heart, same lovely football brain, but he simply c a n n o t defend one on one against anyone with pace. That's a fatal flaw for a fullback and between him and Kerkez the LB has been a constant weakness all season.
Endo - his only memorable contribution was that horrible missed header that led to a goal. His and others' struggles do point to Slot's inability to keep squad players happy.
Bradley - I'm still working him out, meh most of the season, world-class against Madrid as usual, injured as usual. Fair to say he didn't make us forget about Trent.
Mamardashvili - did well by #2 standards, did not totally convince judging by #1 standards, but has the excuse that Alisson's injury forced him to play before he totally acclimatized. At least seems pretty unflappable emotionally, which is a plus under the circumstances.
Alisson - missed almost 50% of our games this season, which hurt us during a key stretch.
Leoni - what can you say? I feel like his ACL injury in that wretched game was somehow the turning point in the season, when everything suddenly turned from hopeful to shit.
Rio - that goal seems so far away now. Another victim of Gakpo being the manager's favourite.
Wirtz - in hindsight the struggles to integrate him early on robbed us of important momentum; he started individually improving just as the rest of the team lost last shreds of confidence. This whole season will be a test of his mettle.
Jones - the usual cycling between good, meh and injuried.
Van Dijk - still mostly good individually, but I keep thinking about that Aston Villa 7:2 game under Klopp when we also started the season well and in that one game Van Dijk's arrogance was exposed and the season unraveled from there. No one can take being a title-winning captain from him, but he has his weaknesses as a leader. He needs a Milner next to him to balance things out.
Gravenberch - has been OK to be fair, started scoring after going full season without a goal. Injury came at a bad time.
Ekitike - mostly a bright spark this season and the only new signing who has been an improvement on the player he replaced. That said, he's had his share of meh to poor games as well and sometimes he looks petulant - I hope this less than cheerful environment doesn't bring him down too much.
Chiesa - just give him a run of games FFS. He has a bit of Diaz about him and that's what we're sorely missing.
Szoboszlai - the only key player who has improved compared to last season, which is a testament to his character. We all dream of a team of Szobos.

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So that's where we are, I recon - a small handful of players who can count this season as a positive, a few more who were about par and pretty much half the squad, including some key players, having an absolute stinker. A lot of the issues could and should have been handled better by Slot, but the bulk of the problem unfortunately have been the players, individually failing to match their own title-winning standards and collectively being arrogant or not caring enough. Some have passed the character test, but for everybody else no one should be safe. It's all about what you can produce in the next game and it starts now.
 
I think people assume we have a god given right to be able to go again after winning the league.

City are the only back to back champions in a very long time and the group last season broke a 4 year winning streak for them.

It’s very normal for their to be a come down on top of the numerous other issues we’ve had to deal with it.
 
This isn’t a come down. That would be a draw a few loses and a few wins. It’s a complete footballing meltdown mate - a collapse
No it wouldnt. The margins are super fine in this league and which is by some distance the most competitive in the world now.

Off by even a little and you will struggle to win.
 
If anyone is interested in my thoughts of how to make this group of players work:

Kerkez and Robertson both cannot play deep as fullbacks - Kerkez struggles in build-up from deep and Robbo cannot defend 1 on 1. On the opposite flank, Bradley and most definitely Frimpong are both better as wing-backs. Therefore, we're switching to 3 at the back with wingbacks system:

Robbo/Kerkez-------------Bradley/Frimpong
---------Van Dijk - Konate - Gomez---------

Sadly, we don't have enough CBs after Leoni's injury. We'll have to roll the dice with Gomez till January or find alternatives (Endo, Nallo, the ghost of Bajcetic). Added benefit might be more protection for Konate and Van Dijk, hopefully leading to an improvement in their defensive performance and having another CB should help on set pieces. With both sides now featuring fullbacks who can play their natural game, our wings will start working and supplying forwards.

What about the remaining 5 in midfield and attack? With wing-backs covering each side we can pack the middle more. Salah will play. Wirtz should play in his favoured LW/#10 position, supporting a single striker (one of Ekitike/Isak). Midfield 2 should be Gravenberch-Szobo for all important games barring injuries and rotation. Chiesa first sub for either Wirtz or Salah, Gakpo only comes on when we're well on top, give Rio more minutes on a regular basis.

--------------Ekitike/Isak-------------
--------Wirtz-----------Salah---------
----------Szobo----Gravvy-----------

This is not a title-winning team, but it's a team that will stay in games and cause teams problems once again, while their blueprint against us will stop working. I think this solution is fairly obvious.
 
Poor the Macca.

I'd go with the same back 5, and keep Dom in the rotation for RWB for some games.

Then 3 in the middle:

Macca/Wirtz.....Dom/Wirtz
-------------Gravy-------------


Hugo and Mo up top for now, with Isak and Cody competing. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Hugu up front with Wirzt just behind.
 
It's times like this when the lack of quality on our bench is starting to show. So perhaps Arsenal was right to spam purchase players to strengthen the squad instead of buying the "star players".

Konate, Isak and Macca have been rubbish and we have nobody credible to replace them with. We had tried everyone else. Jones was poor today and that's about it for the midfield. Local lad and all but he needs to be sold. He peaked against Everton in the cup at least 5 years back. Anyway I digress.

I will try to put in Endo just for some midfield protection because surely we can't do any worse.

Gomez doesn't provide me with much confidence but Konate has been an absolute calamity so Gomez comes in regardless.

Robbo was really poor when he came on. I'll keep Kerkez.

Nguoma and Chiesa are blatantly not ready for the first team or to play 90 mins. I am not sure what posters asking for their inclusion have been watching. Realistically, we only have Ekitike and Wirtz to rotate for the first team.

Basically, I will strengthen the defence and midfield first and foremost. We have to get back to trying not to concede instead of pushing on to try to get a goal and end up getting suckered. We have neither the intensity nor the patterns of play at the moment. Teams counter and cut through us like cheese. Once we go a goal down, the opponents sit back, we are totally clueless. And we kept doing that over and over it's nuts.
 
I agree with most of ruik’s statements, you can’t really have 5 scapegoats. One or two at most. It’s just most of the side have been shite and loads on here are calling out the shitness.
 
I think people assume we have a god given right to be able to go again after winning the league.

City are the only back to back champions in a very long time and the group last season broke a 4 year winning streak for them.

It’s very normal for their to be a come down on top of the numerous other issues we’ve had to deal with it.

People are fair to expect a fucking title challenge after spending 400m and being the reigning champions
 
Also, I disagree with the idea of scapegoats. Slot is the main culprit but if he is persisting with players, then those players need to fucking try. Scapegoat implies an unfair blame. Konate definitely deserves blame while he's selected for his performances
 
If all the team are underperforming, then that's the managers fault.

I didn't see the match yesterday. Are they still playing for him?
 
He needs to try a diamond. Wirtz or Salah behind a front 2 of Isak/Ekitike/gakpo

Full backs providing width

Id honestly be tempted by endo as the 6, then gravy and szob slightly ahead



----------Isak---Ekitike
----------------Wirtz--------
----Szob----------Gravy
--------------Endo---------

Macca rotates until he finds form. If endo is shite then gravy back to the 6, but ideally out of possession gravy drops back to help.

Salah cannot play 90 minutes every week. Rotate with wirtz.
 
No it wouldnt. The margins are super fine in this league and which is by some distance the most competitive in the world now.

Off by even a little and you will struggle to win.

It’s much more than margins

It’s a lack of tactics
It’s an inability to win duels
It’s a lack of cohesion
It’s a lack of flow
It’s players not knowing what to do
It’s new players not integrating
It’s a manager who doesn’t know how to handle a rut
It’s a manager who maybe can’t manage personalities
It’s a team dealing with grief

It’s so much more than margins mate.

Time to move past the Denial stage. When a bloke called Niall tells you this, you know it’s time 😆
 
Also, I disagree with the idea of scapegoats. Slot is the main culprit but if he is persisting with players, then those players need to fucking try. Scapegoat implies an unfair blame. Konate definitely deserves blame while he's selected for his performances

There aren’t a load of options to be fair. There are a couple players you can point to - namely Chiesa - who aren’t getting a go and that’s it.

We didn’t reinforce our foundations in the summer, focusing instead on decorations. This is the result to some extent.
 
There aren’t a load of options to be fair. There are a couple players you can point to - namely Chiesa - who aren’t getting a go and that’s it.

We didn’t reinforce our foundations in the summer, focusing instead on decorations. This is the result to some extent.
I agree, but there's more options than he's been willing to try though. It's the same thing as last season where there's certain players he just does not trust. Last year we got away with it
 
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